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*ugh*

Warning folks. Don't enter if you don't want negativity. I stopped myself from saying too much on twitter because followers don't have a choice about seeing stuff there. Here ya do. So heed the warning because it ain't pretty...



Here's the thing. If I wanted to watch a show about teenage angst I would make that choice and seek out (other) shows in order to watch it. That felt like I tuned into teen werewolf soap opera - and not a good one.

I understand that this show explores the human condition but damn, do they have to make it so boring?

I have come to care ZERO about Claire and therefore her predicament didn't engage with me at all. Why have they made her so unlikable? I mean insulting Sam (and Dean) does not help exactly endear us to her. Let alone her continual "I'm better than anyone" attitude. Every time we see her she's the same. She seems to "learn" and then returns to being a brat.

Anyway. It wasn't just her that made the episode awful, it was all just soooo boring. There was very little tension and Sam and Dean were barely a feature - guest stars in their own show. Sure, it was lovely seeing them all caring for their surrogate daughter - but I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THAT!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GRITTY HORROR?

Aaaanyway....Things that I didn't mind so much:

- that BMoL are still an enigma (I have no idea which way they're going with them and that's a little intriguing).

- I liked Adam Fergus' performance as Mick Davies. His conflicting emotions were clear and I suspect he'll turn on the BMoL in the future (or something like that).

- they mentioned the "shades of grey" from season 2. I know that's what they've been hinting at all this time so it was good to have that at least fully addressed.

- that they stayed in a classy motel (though chocolates on the pillow sound more like 5 star not 3 star). It was a nice way of reminiscing what this show used to be like...;D

Aaaand...I think that's it. It's great to have the show back, but DAMN I can't wait until at least one episode with just Sam and Dean, on the road, solving a case. I know those episodes will be few and far between now because they now have 3 CHILDREN each - but I hope we at least get a few.

Is it just me or is S12 a bit of a muddle? I'm not sure it knows what its focus or story line is. BMoL? Mary? Lucifer and Crowley? Lucifer's baby? Cas and Heaven? And where do Sam and Dean fit in all at? They seem like observers at the moment - characters passing through all these other storylines. Maybe it'll all come together somehow at the end (forever hopeful *g*)

Date: 2017-03-31 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amypond45.livejournal.com
Boy, am I with you about Claire. Watching her "dying" scene was excrutiating, and not in the way Sam's and Dean's reactions meant us to feel about it. Kathryn's acting is remarkably flat. I could care more about a coatrack.

I liked Mick (is it Mitch or Mick?) better than I expected. He's learning something from the Winchesters, and that's nice to see. There may be something interesting about him yet.

The theme of family and what is it continues to be explored, and I always find that an interesting aspect of the show, especially this season. The werewolf was creating a family for himself by turning people (teenage girls only? or were there others?) while Claire was realizing that the way her adopted family love her actually matters to her (and it's a helluva lot more healthy way to relate to your family than by forcing them to be like you).

Date: 2017-04-01 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Watching her "dying" scene was excruciating,

Yeah, I had to fast forward through that unfortunately.

I could care more about a coatrack.

Ha. :) I WANT to care about her - and I should, but just something about her characterisation rubs me up the wrong way.

I agree Mick is becoming quite interesting.

The family theme is certainly a big one this season. I've actually liked a lot of what they have been doing.

Date: 2017-03-31 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
In the producer's preview to this ep, Bob Singer said that this episode drops the start of something that will be played out in season 13.

Could be any of these--Mick's defection from the BMoL; expansion of the hunters world (Claire, Jody, others?); or my personal theory: the BMoL indiscriminate slaughter of the werewolf pack incited attacks on humans that wouldn't have otherwise happened. What if the fallout from the BMoL aggressiveness leads to an escalated war between monsters and humans--that there have been monsters behaving that now become violent in response to being attacked?

Date: 2017-04-01 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Oh yes. I saw that (and had forgotten it).

What if the fallout from the BMoL aggressiveness leads to an escalated war between monsters and humans

This sounds feasible. I always remember that Dabb is the one who wrote that attempted spin off about the warring monster families - I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to weave that idea into the coming season.

Date: 2017-04-04 04:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
Yes, I also thought that the werewolf's comment was significant about what was to come. After all, we already saw that the vampire attacks brought the Alpha Vamp out of hiding.

I do agree that the episode wasn't that engaging, largely because the actress playing Claire doesn't seem capable of carrying an episode and she's not written in a particularly interesting way either. However, I did like several things about the episode, Mick's ambivalence, for one.

I don't know as it predicts a future turn from the BMoL largely because his main mission has been to get U.S. hunters on their side, and working against them is certainly not going to do that. On the other hand, I do think this episode was meant to develop him as a character for this season and I think did so fairly effectively. His regret about his lost team, for one. Too often people are slaughtered on SPN with not a glance back or any indication they are ever remembered.

The other thing I liked was the acknowledgement of passing time -- on the show and with the Winchesters. The parental roles were part of it, in the sense that it offered a generational view of things. Claire is not much younger than Sam was at the start of the series. And I thought that scene where Claire emphasizes his age was paralleled with the scene where Dean threatens Mick and acknowledges that he used to be just the same but he's lived a life and he sees things differently now. I think that view from Dean has been pretty inconsistent, where it's always been part of Sam's view. But it was nice to have it spelled out straight from the horse's mouth.

Date: 2017-03-31 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runedgirl.livejournal.com
I didn't dislike it as much as I feared I would, largely because J and J's acting convinced me that Sam and Dean were feeling something even if Claire writhing on the couch didn't seem to warrant it. There were moments that I liked her more than usual - 'I get all the votes' was one. But then there were the 'skeever' and 'teen wolf' comments, and just, no.

Ultimately, I'm with you. I just want a few old school episodes about SAM AND DEAN. Ala last season's Red Meat. I want to feel about THEM most of all. I'm amused in the mean time, but I want more than that from this show, at least intermittently.

Date: 2017-04-01 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
I didn't dislike it as much as I feared I would

I actually disliked it more than I thought I would - I saw the preview and even though I knew Claire was going to be in it I really had high hopes for it. Maybe that's why I ended up disliking it so much.

'I get all the votes' was one.

I agree this was a good line. And needed to be said - and good to see Sam back it up after everything that's been done to his body against his will.

I want to feel about THEM most of all.

Definitely. :)

Date: 2017-03-31 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddyclothes.livejournal.com
I vaguely remembered it was about werewolves and only caught the last 10 minutes. I can't stand Claire, the dialogue was SO AWFUL. I watched her convulse and really hoped she died. Her coming back to life felt unearned.

I deleted it off the DVR, I just don't care about watching the rest of it.

Date: 2017-04-01 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
I have to fast forward during the writhing scene - just too uncomfortable to watch. Usually in eps like this at least some SamnDean nuggets - but it didn't even have those. :(

Date: 2017-04-01 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuddyclothes.livejournal.com
From what else I've read, there are precious little Sam n' Dean scenes in this. Bah!

Date: 2017-04-02 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
yeah. I mean they are in it, but it really wasn't about them. We did see them caring for others and there were some nice bits from them individually - but not those classic SamnDean moments. I saw someone else mention that if one of them had been bitten (rather than Claire) then it might have been more the SPN we're used to seeing. I don't think this season is about their bond - rather the bond they have with others.

Date: 2017-04-03 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madebyme-x.livejournal.com
I enjoyed this more than you I think, and I found Claire less annoying this time, and I did enjoy Dean's protective father instincts and the way Sam communicates with her. Show seems to like to put them together a lot, and I always enjoy it (especially seeing Sam all quashed up in her car!)

I also warmed to Mick, and loved him seeing this 'grey' hunting world for the first time. Also, I feel like they have to reveal Magda's death now, or else why mention it and flashback it? Maybe Mick will 'turn' to Sam and Dean's side and fess up to everything ie Magda and the special forces guy, and the 'big bad' for the end of the season and into 13 will be the mysterious BMOL 'elders'?

There are a lot of story lines to solve, and I guess maybe that's purposeful so that they can bring in more guest stars and have less J2 due to babies. So yeah, I'm not holding out for a Sam and Dean episode this season, I think we had the Magda one (12.04?) and that's maybe it? But I'll keep my fingers crossed, but my expectations low I think *hugs*

Date: 2017-04-06 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giacinta2.livejournal.com
As I have yet to watch the episode, I really shouldn't be commenting, but the set-up of the episodes are all similar now, made exception for the occasional old-style one where we have the pleasure of seeing Sam and Dean as they once were:- two co-dependent brothers hunting a monster and putting their lives in danger to save a complete stranger.

Now we get the brothers paired off with other secondary characters in the new format of an ensemble show, where the two Winchesters get as much or little screen time as everyone else. Sigh.

I've never been on board with this 'the Js want more time off' theory as they seem to look their happiest when on-set, at least going by the various photos on-line, but even if that were so, it's not a good reason for Dabb and his motley crew to downplay what has kept the show on air for all these years, i.e. the bro-bond.

I'd rather have the brothers in only half an episode but doing their thing together, while the secondary characters have their own story-lines completely separate from the Winchesters.
Twenty minutes of a thrilling, well-written Sam and Dean hunt would be far better than a watered down forty minutes, at least for me.

Sorry about my little rant. Here's hoping things get better and I'm still waiting for the elusive bro-hug, which on its own would save the season. lol!

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