Anyway, I've not read other folks responses yet so maybe this will be repetitive.
Lucifer - I think that Sam's wall fell down and that meant that he now remembers Hell, and what happened to him in Hell - his mind is doing all sort of strange things to him. I think Lucifer isn't real, he's just Sam's memory - so the memory gets transferred to Cas at the end, not the 'real' Lucifer
I think, now, Sam is Okay but Cas is well and truly pooped as he has the 'memory of Hell' in his head now.
Lucifer isn't just a normal memory, I don't think, he's kinda of what Sam's mind is doing to make him sort of 'real' and finding ways to torture him now.
I can't remember now but it was Lucifer, in Sam's body, along with Michael in Adam's body, who fell into the pit. SO, when Crowley brought back Sam, minus his soul, he must have left Lucifer in there, with Michael in Adam's body.
Wow, isnt it complicated. IS that how you recall it Ash?
Unlike yourself, I actually really enjoyed Meg - although I was rather put off with how she looked. Her face seemed to be quite kinda 'bloated' in that first shot of her, but then she looked more her old self when the camera wasn't at such an unflattering angle. Also unlike yourself, I really liked her voice and didn't, personally, struggle to understand her. I did find myself thinking 'she has a really nice voice', which I don't often think to be honest... I also didn't really get that she was less self assured than before - it came over to me that she was just a demon on her own, using the boys for her own ends with a plan to get back at Crowley somehow and having to play Dean to do that, so she was manipulative, but not lacking in self assuredness (If that is a real word!)
I loved that Cas came back too and I totally agree that a hell (!) of a lot happened to him in such a short time. I suppose the writers can get around how much he had to take on board in such a short time as he is an Angel after all and so must be highly adaptable... But WOW, did he have to adapt. Personally I would have liked for them to have spread the Cas coming back story over maybe three episodes.
I get what you mean about Dean being pulled all over the place and, you know what really worries me...? I have no idea if the show is going to go into an eighth season. Do you? I just feel really worried that they are having to tie ends up fast, in case they don't get another season, and couldn't afford the time to spend on Cas coming back like he did as they have to resolve everything before the end of the season. DREAD DREAD DREAD. I feel SICK just thinking about it but I believe they have to write the show so that it can just end if they don't get the go ahead for another season, AND in a way that it can carry on if they do.
SO I do wonder if they are trying to tie the ends up and, as Cas is going to be in another two eps, maybe he will somehow get out of the hospital, and be restored to 'angelness', do one show on a hunt with the boys (old style) and then go up to heaven to be the new 'god', with old god's permission (assuming that's why the real God enabled Cas' wife to find him and help him back to health when he walked out of the lake maybe...?). Then, (here's my head working overtime), the whole show can end with the Boys driving off in the Impala (WHERE THE HELL IS THE IMPALA BY THE WAY?
ON the other hand, I did really, like really really, love this ep so I wonder if it is clever storytelling as I was squeeing my head off during this ep, like I've not done for some time... I mean, I was literally, squeeing, out loud, in a proper 'squee-tone', high pitched and girly and all toe-curling, edge of the seat, jumping in the air squeeing. Maybe I'm a bit dim and just don't think about it as much or something..
I think the idea with leaving Cas there was really their only option. I think it was about how we need neither Crowley nor DIck to know that Cas is around as either of them could find him, maybe mend him, and maybe corrupt him somehow so they can use him for their own ends ... maybe ..?
I'm interested in your thoughts, as always - you have such interesting thoughts!
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I so love your posts and your 'thinkyness'.
Anyway, I've not read other folks responses yet so maybe this will be repetitive.
Lucifer - I think that Sam's wall fell down and that meant that he now remembers Hell, and what happened to him in Hell - his mind is doing all sort of strange things to him. I think Lucifer isn't real, he's just Sam's memory - so the memory gets transferred to Cas at the end, not the 'real' Lucifer
I think, now, Sam is Okay but Cas is well and truly pooped as he has the 'memory of Hell' in his head now.
Lucifer isn't just a normal memory, I don't think, he's kinda of what Sam's mind is doing to make him sort of 'real' and finding ways to torture him now.
I can't remember now but it was Lucifer, in Sam's body, along with Michael in Adam's body, who fell into the pit. SO, when Crowley brought back Sam, minus his soul, he must have left Lucifer in there, with Michael in Adam's body.
Wow, isnt it complicated. IS that how you recall it Ash?
Unlike yourself, I actually really enjoyed Meg - although I was rather put off with how she looked. Her face seemed to be quite kinda 'bloated' in that first shot of her, but then she looked more her old self when the camera wasn't at such an unflattering angle. Also unlike yourself, I really liked her voice and didn't, personally, struggle to understand her. I did find myself thinking 'she has a really nice voice', which I don't often think to be honest... I also didn't really get that she was less self assured than before - it came over to me that she was just a demon on her own, using the boys for her own ends with a plan to get back at Crowley somehow and having to play Dean to do that, so she was manipulative, but not lacking in self assuredness (If that is a real word!)
I loved that Cas came back too and I totally agree that a hell (!) of a lot happened to him in such a short time. I suppose the writers can get around how much he had to take on board in such a short time as he is an Angel after all and so must be highly adaptable... But WOW, did he have to adapt. Personally I would have liked for them to have spread the Cas coming back story over maybe three episodes.
I get what you mean about Dean being pulled all over the place and, you know what really worries me...? I have no idea if the show is going to go into an eighth season. Do you? I just feel really worried that they are having to tie ends up fast, in case they don't get another season, and couldn't afford the time to spend on Cas coming back like he did as they have to resolve everything before the end of the season. DREAD DREAD DREAD. I feel SICK just thinking about it but I believe they have to write the show so that it can just end if they don't get the go ahead for another season, AND in a way that it can carry on if they do.
SO I do wonder if they are trying to tie the ends up and, as Cas is going to be in another two eps, maybe he will somehow get out of the hospital, and be restored to 'angelness', do one show on a hunt with the boys (old style) and then go up to heaven to be the new 'god', with old god's permission (assuming that's why the real God enabled Cas' wife to find him and help him back to health when he walked out of the lake maybe...?). Then, (here's my head working overtime), the whole show can end with the Boys driving off in the Impala (WHERE THE HELL IS THE IMPALA BY THE WAY?
ON the other hand, I did really, like really really, love this ep so I wonder if it is clever storytelling as I was squeeing my head off during this ep, like I've not done for some time... I mean, I was literally, squeeing, out loud, in a proper 'squee-tone', high pitched and girly and all toe-curling, edge of the seat, jumping in the air squeeing. Maybe I'm a bit dim and just don't think about it as much or something..
I think the idea with leaving Cas there was really their only option. I think it was about how we need neither Crowley nor DIck to know that Cas is around as either of them could find him, maybe mend him, and maybe corrupt him somehow so they can use him for their own ends ... maybe ..?
I'm interested in your thoughts, as always - you have such interesting thoughts!