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ash48 ([personal profile] ash48) wrote2012-04-21 01:45 pm
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7.19 reaction and review (with pics...)



Ok. So that was pretty darn cool. Some of it was a little ho hum (with a few inconsistencies = *handwaves*), but mostly I really enjoyed.

Counting the ways:

1. I'm thinking my response may well be a little shallow because really, any episode that starts with the BOYS EATING ON THE NOT!IMPALA is FINE with me! \o/ (Of course heaps better if it had been the Impala but I can settle for this). Look how cosy and relaxed they are. OH BOYS! <33333333



I'm glad Dean can still get a lot of satisfaction out of food. The world's going to shit (though...um...compared to the pending apocalypse I'm thinking it's not so bad at the moment *shrugs*) but Dean knows he can rely on his taco tasting awesome.

2. Loved this little moment too:



It's curious. Dean's phone rings and Sam checks his pocket. Either they have the same ring tone (awwwwww) or Sam sometimes carries Dean's phone (awwwwww). I'm actually thinking it's something Jared thought as how many of us thinks it might be their phone that's ringing, even if it a different ring tone. Or is that just me. ;/


3. I enjoyed the look inside a ghost's existence. I'm thinking there are probably some inconsistencies there but I've decided to not look too hard at it.

4. Annie was cool. I was a little "um...what?" when Dean spoke to her as though she was a long time friend (we're only hearing about her now?!)... but their explanation satisfied me. I suppose they do know a lot of other hunters. Though it baffles me that any hunter would work alone. Having someone watch your back would be a necessity I reckon.

And OF COURSE SHE DIED!! (Sam did sleep with her after all...*snerk*). I liked the way her death was used though so it's cool. I really liked the house full of ghosts and she was a good match with Bobby. Ghost ghost hunters. Nice.

5. Ok. So. There was just something about this episode that was super HOT. I think it might have had something (A LOT!) to do with this scene:



I mean LOOK A THAT GOD OF A MAN!! JEEZEEEEEEEEEEEE KILL ME NOW! We most definitely need more wet hair Dean scenes!

Who else was hoping we'd get a shot of him actually stepping out of the shower? Seriously!! (I was thinking of that moment in Battleship I have to tell you! *swoon*). But I was equally thrilled with the extended scene with wet haired!Dean. HOT DAMN!

6. I'm sure you were all distracted by the pretty (:koff: me too) but there were some pretty cool motel details lurking in the background. So I just have to point them out:



LOOK AT THOSE SEAGULLS! There's a seaside theme in this room. Lot's of stressed white furniture and blue walls, but what fascinates me is that there is a MURAL in the room the we don't actually get to see. Boo! That kinda sucks. AND THERE ARE THOSE STONE WALLS AGAIN!! (maybe there's some underlying meaning to all the stone walls this season. Something to do with stonewalling, or running into brick walls... or something equally fanwanky *g) Ooh and lots of orange. I'm sure that's significant too. :)




If you can take your eyes of our pretty boys who can see what looks like a sea mural surround by those faux stones. Love it!

And check out that wallpaper!! Crazy!



Ok. Back to episode.

7. I was hoping we'd see the boys having a dilemma about what to do with ghost!Bobby. So I'm glad we got that. As per their characters Dean is very uneasy (even though he misses Bobby dreadfully) and Sam is more open minded to him being around. I'm sure they'll keep him around (maybe even through to next season?) but I'd say they'd have to do something sooner or later. Poor boys. To have to lose Bobby again. (I'm only assuming this will be the outcome eventually).

8. Hee. "Fancy Lady".

9. Hee. Stupid teenagers. Seriously - horror films would not exist without stupid teenagers going into place they SHOULDN'T!!

10. Hee. SAMMY FACES!



Nice to see Sam more focused and relaxed. I'm not sure if they plan to do any more with the hallucinations (hope so) but it's a good reprieve for both of the boys. Loved the banter in this scene.

11. And you know I live for the little bro moments. A touch of hurt!Sam (though I couldn't make out exactly what the ghost was doing to Sam), a shout of "Sam!" from Dean (yay) and this....



Awww Dean. Putting out a reassuring hand. Shame it was such a dark scene.


Overall it was an enjoyable episode. Quite a few tense moments, it answered a lot of questions about ghost!Bobby and ghosts in general. Some nice, relaxed banter between the boys, it had a cool female character somewhat reminiscent of Ellen of and a steamy shower scene. (I can't believe my first observation is that Dean is having a shower with the door open. Which...yeah...of course, but you know where my damn brain went!)

Welcome back show!

[identity profile] maenad.livejournal.com 2012-04-21 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking my response may well be a little shallow because really, any episode that starts with the BOYS EATING ON THE NOT!IMPALA is FINE with me! \o/ (Of course heaps better if it had been the Impala but I can settle for this). Look how cosy and relaxed they are. OH BOYS!

Aren't they adorable? I love it when they're adorable. :) Actually I think, given that it was an outside-perspective story, that it was a pretty strong Sam-and-Dean story. It had that wistful sense of Bobby looking in from the outside ... and finding that they're okay without him. It's not that they're ignoring him on purpose, or that they're not grieving or stressed - but they're getting their act together again, and they have all their important conversations with each other, and they work out what's going on by talking to each other, and they spend the whole episode wandering around together. He grouches at one point that they're slower without him, but that's not really it. It's just that if he knew something or had an idea, he used to be able to tell them, because he was part of the group. Now he has to drop these oblique hints and wait while they work things out, because they're the group. Just the two of them.

It's interesting, considering the ghost-Bobby idea, because it comes down to what Bobby really wants. There's no absolute rule that this has to end badly (except maybe the one about the writers liking to make Sam and Dean cry :) ); some ghosts at least seem to hang about for longer than a human lifetime without going mad, and some ghosts have stayed for good reasons, settled whatever they needed to settle and wandered off on their own. So it's just a matter of what Bobby is trying to achieve. He can still help them - Sam would probably be dead if he hadn't - and since the leviathans are probably about to take centre stage there's an obvious 'last job' for him there that he might be said to have a right to take part in. But eventually he has to see Sam and Dean as they are now - that they can work things through and rely on each other - or else he's just hanging on because he can't trust them to be okay, rather than because there's something he's legitimately stayed behind to do. I think that's where things could get difficult.

This is me, thinking things through in comment boxes again. :)

[identity profile] no-ones-sleep.livejournal.com 2012-04-22 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
..."an outside-perspective story": I think that was what I was struggling with towards the end- I didn't know whose persepctive I was supposed to share. All epsiode long I had the feeling that it was all about Bobby, of course with scenes blended in about the boys, but it seemed all Bobby-related. But in the final scenes it was more like I should be upset with Dean and Sam (or what was I supposed to feel?) because THEY were in the center of attention then. Or not? Maybe the recurring hiati damaged my ability to deeply connect with the characters (which totally doesn't keep me from loving Dean to pieces), but I thought that I should have felt either more joy with Bobby on being able to communicate with the boys eye to eye again OR that I should have been more upset on Dean's behalf. (And why is Sam always so Zen about everything?! Like he is mildly amused by all the problems surround him? He needs lo lay off the Prozac for a while.)

I don't think Bobby has to go darkside immediately- he can last for ages, like other ghosts, but eventually he will go crazy as he has no one else left to bond with and will lose connection to the real world. I think that is what his Reaper implied.

[identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com 2012-04-23 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! Sam needs to stay off the Prozac. There might actually be something in that. Though, for me, both their reactions were very much in character.

But yeah - it did seem like a bit of switch POV's in the episode. Though I'd like to think they were giving us the two sides of the story - both perspectives.

In the end it left me feeling a little sorry for Bobby (living life as a ghost doesn't look like a lot of fun) but I also understood the boys reaction. I was hoping to see conflict when they finally saw Bobby - greeting a ghost (no matter who it is) with open arms would seem weird at this stage I think.

I'm curious to see how they handle it in the future.

[identity profile] maenad.livejournal.com 2012-04-26 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm. I think the perspective stays with Bobby because, while there are long scenes focusing on Sam and Dean's reaction to finding out Bobby's still around, in the end it comes back to that shot of him sitting in the back seat of the car listening to them determine his fate. The idea, I think, is to put us in his shoes: he's spent all this time thinking that if he could just talk to them everything would be fine, everything would be just like it was. But he can talk to them now and that hasn't solved anything. They're still operating as a team of two, and he's stuck on the outside. So we're watching him watch them, and the unexpected (to him) way they respond to him.

I don't think you're supposed to come away from the story feeling any one thing, though. It's sort of happy that Bobby can communicate, but it's also awkward and painful. And it's hard on Sam and Dean, having to face the prospect of losing him all over again - but it's not as though Bobby is playing the villain or anything; he stayed because that seemed to him, rightly or wrongly, to be the most moral thing to do. It's a sad and conflicted ending, and I don't think the story wants us to take sides.

Poor Sam. At this point, anything that isn't a week's worth of insomnia with Lucifer yelling in his ear has to sound pretty minor. The end of the world? Pffffft. I'm taking a nap. :)

[identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com 2012-04-23 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
Finally getting a chance to reply..:)

and finding that they're okay without him.

This is really interesting. I always enjoy outsider perspective stories and I really did like that aspect of the episode.

I haven't really considered Bobby's side in all this, in terms of how he sees his place now. He's seen the boys grieving and now, yeah.. he can see that they have moved on.

I wonder if he really thought they'd welcome him with open arms. I think he probably did, but he has to know the conflict in all that. For them to knowingly have a ghost working for them, or hanging around them does cause a dilemma. Personally I love that they are going in that direction. Bobby doesn't necessarily have to turn bad for them to have to get rid of him. Maybe Bobby will see that they really don't need him (though he has come in handy...). It's also pretty sad that even in death Bobby can't rest. I think he genuinely thinks the boy's need him.

I suppose it depends what the Show wants to do with Jim. If they want to keep him on then I suppose they'll find a way to keep Bobby around.

I look forward to seeing which direction they take with this. It makes perfect sense to me that Dean is uneasy. It's very much his character.

[identity profile] strive2bhappy.livejournal.com 2012-04-24 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
i just have to jump in here (sorry, ash! i seem to have a habit of hijacking comments in your journal) to say that this:

It's not that they're ignoring him on purpose, or that they're not grieving or stressed - but they're getting their act together again, and they have all their important conversations with each other, and they work out what's going on by talking to each other, and they spend the whole episode wandering around together.

is absolutely genius and gave me a mini-epiphany. of course bobby thinks the boys needed him and in a way, they always will, but YES, they are starting to actually WORK TOGETHER, like they always should have (i'm not even sure i can say "like before" because as sam pointed out in fallen idols, "before didn't work.") and i think THAT might be the biggest GROWTH in literally seven seasons for these guys. and maybe despite bobby's grousing that's part of what the outsider perspective was for -- to show that sam and dean are actually, FINALLY on the same page.

just wow. thank you for making me think about it like that.

and this:

Now he has to drop these oblique hints and wait while they work things out, because they're the group. Just the two of them.

while it hurt my heart for bobby, further solidifies the growth and togetherness point.

again, sorry ash! but that insight was just too brilliant not to comment on.

:)

[identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com 2012-04-24 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi. Never apologise for jumping in! That's what it's all about. :)

And yep! I agree. I always love [livejournal.com profile] maenad's way of thinking. I think there are greater layers to this episode than first met the eye. It makes Bobby's story even sadder in some ways...

But a definite plus for the boys...
Edited 2012-04-24 14:30 (UTC)

[identity profile] strive2bhappy.livejournal.com 2012-04-24 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
man, you are so freakin' cool. thank you for always being so welcoming.