First off, this 'you feel d/c shippers wouldn't have been able to discuss that without it being wanky' wasn't what I was trying to say. I, as a D/C shipper, didn't feel like I could've commented without ~attracting wank and inviting whiplash. Which, okay, might already have something to do with the fact that it's a discussion hosted by a non-shipper and on LJ. I did consider it anway, because I adore you ♥ and actually enjoy discussing stuff with you, but I read through a couple of threads and... Yeah. No. I'm not gonna go into detail and pick out any specific comments as examples, because it wasn't my intention to point fingers anywhere or sour the discussion as a whole for you.
It's not just my takeaway either, though; I had more than one fellow D/Cer or non-shipper mention the discussion to me with a similar stance, and I've run into two posts on my flist that went and cited it as an example of how D/C is a stupid misconception and D/C shippers should just pack up and go and stop spoiling the fun for everyone else. I know neither was your intention, but, yeah. :(
But, sadly, by now I very much feel like there is an ~us and a ~we here when it comes to D/C. It started with people being outraged that some peeps started/kept watching for Cas, and has by now escalated to hate being thrown at TPTB on twitter every time Cas is in an ep or even mentioned, and to tumblr accounts being created that have no other purpose than to reblog D/C posts with mockery and hate.
I'm a multi-shipper who's a Dean!girl first and a D/C OTP'er second, and believe me, I'd rather have that devide not be there and everyone getting along, but it IS there. With every ep in which D/C so much look at each other, I run into (uncut) posts on my flist that demand for that travesty to be over and Cas to be killed of already so S/D can go back to being co-dependent and are about no one but each other. The last time I expressed my opinions about the show (not shipping-related, either), I got PMs calling me wanky and immature and ragey and unreasonable, got accused of spoiling the fun for others and defriended. In the very few posts I made about D/C, someone usually felt compelled to point out that there's nothing there and that Cas should gtfo, even if they might've followed that up with telling me they'll let me have my different take. Whee, thanks, how generous. :/
So yes. There's an US and there's a WE, and it's why I do SPN fandom on Tumblr these days and not on LJ anymore, and the same goes for a bunch of my friends that I ~met on LJ in the first place. I'm not pigheaded enough to insist on my place in the SPN fandom on LJ despite being driven out of it, so I packed up my things in regard to SPN and evacuated from what I started to percieve as a place where I'm not wanted. And I know that I'm not the only one at all. We're driven out of this corner of the fandom, redued to what we ship and who we like and told how that's WRONG, and most of us didn't want for that to happen and didn't leave for any other reason than to save what's left of our happy place.
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It's not just my takeaway either, though; I had more than one fellow D/Cer or non-shipper mention the discussion to me with a similar stance, and I've run into two posts on my flist that went and cited it as an example of how D/C is a stupid misconception and D/C shippers should just pack up and go and stop spoiling the fun for everyone else. I know neither was your intention, but, yeah. :(
But, sadly, by now I very much feel like there is an ~us and a ~we here when it comes to D/C. It started with people being outraged that some peeps started/kept watching for Cas, and has by now escalated to hate being thrown at TPTB on twitter every time Cas is in an ep or even mentioned, and to tumblr accounts being created that have no other purpose than to reblog D/C posts with mockery and hate.
I'm a multi-shipper who's a Dean!girl first and a D/C OTP'er second, and believe me, I'd rather have that devide not be there and everyone getting along, but it IS there. With every ep in which D/C so much look at each other, I run into (uncut) posts on my flist that demand for that travesty to be over and Cas to be killed of already so S/D can go back to being co-dependent and are about no one but each other. The last time I expressed my opinions about the show (not shipping-related, either), I got PMs calling me wanky and immature and ragey and unreasonable, got accused of spoiling the fun for others and defriended. In the very few posts I made about D/C, someone usually felt compelled to point out that there's nothing there and that Cas should gtfo, even if they might've followed that up with telling me they'll let me have my different take. Whee, thanks, how generous. :/
So yes. There's an US and there's a WE, and it's why I do SPN fandom on Tumblr these days and not on LJ anymore, and the same goes for a bunch of my friends that I ~met on LJ in the first place. I'm not pigheaded enough to insist on my place in the SPN fandom on LJ despite being driven out of it, so I packed up my things in regard to SPN and evacuated from what I started to percieve as a place where I'm not wanted. And I know that I'm not the only one at all. We're driven out of this corner of the fandom, redued to what we ship and who we like and told how that's WRONG, and most of us didn't want for that to happen and didn't leave for any other reason than to save what's left of our happy place.