Oh, me too! Especially fascinated by some of your other points I didn't really address in my post and I'm not sure how to discuss either, but might as well throw out into the discussion...
Why is everything now about sex? What happened to deep friendship? Those friends you hear about that stick with you through thick and thin, through your break ups and highs and lows, why aren't they treasured so much any longer. I agree so hard with your point about the male bond that is somehow not being appreciated in all it's glory any longer. It makes me sad as I grew up with shows like Starskey and Hutch, The Professionals - (hell, Morcambe and Wise used to write sketches with two middle aged guys in bed together for main stream TV and no one blinked an eye). I never thought they were anything other than friends, friends through thick and thin who would die for each other, it never lessened my enjoyment of those shows.
That Tumblr you link to? Um, I can't reason like that, seems a very "romantic" way of looking at the world where everyone has to be hooked up with someone - seems a very young outlook on the world to me, but everyone to their own.
I honestly think the male buddy relationship has suffered, shows from now on will be more aware and yes, might plan romance into their characters from the beginning, which is all great, seems where every male/female lead show goes, but I don't enjoy romance and hope it doesn't permeate everything as the buddy show has always been one of my favourite genres and it would be, in my opinion a shame to not explore the deep bond that forms through adversity - both male and female. One of the rare instances where women get the upper hand, women friends can be seen holding hands, sleeping together in the same room/bed etc, without the automatic 'gay' label - again, shame on our society as a whole.
I'm aware of the fact that there were slash fandoms around for older shows and have been for a long time, but I would like to know if TPTB were aware of them. I know in SG1, slash fiction was never mentioned again to RDA after he labelled it - um - *sick* I think was the word he used in an interview and that was a fandom torn apart by ships - one of them het, but there were very few opportunities to be heard by TPTB ( meaning writers/producers, not so much actors through conventions) I really do think there would have been far bigger explosions in the fandom if social media existed as it does today.
SPN has I think been in the sad position of being on air too long, throughout these changes and just isn't prepared to deal with a new order. Yes, of course more gay/bi characters on screen would be an excellent thing, but I still stand by my opinion that this isn't that show but there will be other shows and they'll be aware of what's gone on here and hopefully learn why more diversity is always a good thing. And hopefully in time, the tide will turn again and our society will value the long term friendship as a very important ship too.
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Oh, me too! Especially fascinated by some of your other points I didn't really address in my post and I'm not sure how to discuss either, but might as well throw out into the discussion...
Why is everything now about sex? What happened to deep friendship? Those friends you hear about that stick with you through thick and thin, through your break ups and highs and lows, why aren't they treasured so much any longer. I agree so hard with your point about the male bond that is somehow not being appreciated in all it's glory any longer. It makes me sad as I grew up with shows like Starskey and Hutch, The Professionals - (hell, Morcambe and Wise used to write sketches with two middle aged guys in bed together for main stream TV and no one blinked an eye). I never thought they were anything other than friends, friends through thick and thin who would die for each other, it never lessened my enjoyment of those shows.
That Tumblr you link to? Um, I can't reason like that, seems a very "romantic" way of looking at the world where everyone has to be hooked up with someone - seems a very young outlook on the world to me, but everyone to their own.
I honestly think the male buddy relationship has suffered, shows from now on will be more aware and yes, might plan romance into their characters from the beginning, which is all great, seems where every male/female lead show goes, but I don't enjoy romance and hope it doesn't permeate everything as the buddy show has always been one of my favourite genres and it would be, in my opinion a shame to not explore the deep bond that forms through adversity - both male and female. One of the rare instances where women get the upper hand, women friends can be seen holding hands, sleeping together in the same room/bed etc, without the automatic 'gay' label - again, shame on our society as a whole.
I'm aware of the fact that there were slash fandoms around for older shows and have been for a long time, but I would like to know if TPTB were aware of them. I know in SG1, slash fiction was never mentioned again to RDA after he labelled it - um - *sick* I think was the word he used in an interview and that was a fandom torn apart by ships - one of them het, but there were very few opportunities to be heard by TPTB ( meaning writers/producers, not so much actors through conventions) I really do think there would have been far bigger explosions in the fandom if social media existed as it does today.
SPN has I think been in the sad position of being on air too long, throughout these changes and just isn't prepared to deal with a new order. Yes, of course more gay/bi characters on screen would be an excellent thing, but I still stand by my opinion that this isn't that show but there will be other shows and they'll be aware of what's gone on here and hopefully learn why more diversity is always a good thing. And hopefully in time, the tide will turn again and our society will value the long term friendship as a very important ship too.