It's Saturday night...

[ash48]

and there's been drinking.



I've had many thinky thoughts about the show lately. Not in the terms of will Dean experience a complete melt down before the end of the season or is Sam coping as well as he seems etc. But more...I know this show is flawed (there are problematic story arcs and character arcs and plot holes etc etc and yet I am STILL totally in love and invested in it.

I've just happened upon something transfixeddream stated, nearly a year ago:

Sam is stupid. Dean is stupid. They're both fucking stupid, but it's okay because they're pretty.

That's it in a goddamn nutshell.

Sam's flawed. Dean's flawed But they're so goddamn fucking gorgeous it doesn't matter. In fact, it's BECAUSE they are stupid, flawed and gorgeous that it matters. Always has. Probably always will.

I heard recently that Jensen answered the question "why did Dean kill Amy?" with "because he's an asshole" at a con. I really love that. They are not only stupid and flawed but they are also assholes. (Of course! How could they have survived without being all those things?!).

They are also heroes. Who happen to have beautiful eyes and freckles and pecs and hair and.. *thud*). They are also brothers who love and adore each other (which can be taken as gen or so freakin' easily as soooo much more).


Oh Show. What the hell is it about you that let's me forgive all your inconsistencies? (answer.. eps like Slash Fiction and Hello Cruel World maybe..)



Evidence of the pretty! :D

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[ash48.livejournal.com]

Ack! Not uproar! *hides* Actually, this came about because of uproar (in some ways) In that, when we are feeling shitty about the characters we love it ok. They are meant to not always do the right thing. And really... they're just so damn pretty so it's doubly ok. :)

Re the quote. I'll have to see if it's been captured. A friend of mine was at a con when he said it. Apparently the fans were asking why Dean would do such a thing and that's how he answered. Now, whether he actually thinks that or if he'd just had enough of being asked that question I don't now.

I know Jensen loves his character so it's not about putting him down. It's just acknowledging that Dean can do some things that "we" normal humans, would consider assholish. I mean... both brothers have acted in "asshole" ways. I mean, damnit. Sam was pretty much one all through S4. Killed my freaken heart it did. (Not to mention half of s6).

I think Dean is on such an interesting journey at the moment. I love that we are seeing some different sides to him. He is such a goddamn hero. But that comes at a price.

I can't wait to see how he handle's Bobby's death. (assuming he is dead).

*hides some more* Uproar is scary.

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(I'll find out more about that quote as soon as I can).

[no-ones-sleep.livejournal.com]

No need to hide!!! Quite the contrary, thank you for your help! I probably come across as a bit weird, right? I am a very emotional person, and I am wholeheartedly invested in everything I do, so everything tends to become personal for me. I know this way of living has its weaknesses, but... the joy is felt so much deeper this way, too, and I don't want to miss it. The flip side is that I get hurt more easily, but I decided to read Jensen the riot act and be done with it.

I am still terribly interested in watching Jensen actually saying those remarkable words- so if you find anything on that matter, YOU would be my hero! :-)

You know how much I love Dean and Jensen, so please bear that in mind while I write the following sentences: I catch myself being annoyed sometimes by Jensen's latest portrayal of Dean. I am currently rewatching Season 1, and he was acting more reluctantly there and thus more... I don't know, believable?! These days, he exaggerates too much (though thank God he did fine with the burger's sideeffects) in my opionion in ways of speaking (using his rough voice) and facial expressions (too much aiming for laughs sometimes, or so it seems to me). I feel like Jensen has either grown too accustomed to Dean or is a bit bored by having to portray him. And hence my being upset when I read about this asshole-thing. (Great, that sounds like another word for butt plug, I guess.). But maybe that is just the way Dean is written, and Jensen is forced to play him like this? But then, Dean was so close to breaking in S5, too, and there he was more of a character than he is now. Sometimes, I can't relate to Dean on screen anymore, I watch his story arc and know what he SHOULD be feeling and expressing, but it's not there in his eyes anymore, not like it used to be in former seasons, and I am worried that Jensen's just weary. And I'm so sorry for my rant here, it's just that I believe you know what I mean, and I would love to know your thoughts on this!

Now it's probably my turn to hide... *throws a "I'm sorry!" over some oceans*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh hun. No need to apologise for anything. I find this stuff really interesting. (and I am TOTALLY emotional, so I know where you are coming from).

It's also a great point that you bring up. As far as I can tell (and from what I have read) they boys are very attached to their characters and the show.

This from the recent Supernatural magazine from Jensen:

"Being able to spend this much time with Dean has been a really big joy for me."

I think Dean's story line is going in a tricky direction at the moment. He has to play the reluctant hero. He seems to have to redefine himself this season. Sam has said "look after yourself". But how does he do that? He defines himself in terms of Sam and John and probably Bobby. How does exist outside of them?

I suspect Jensen has had to grapple with that as well.

I see jensen as a very dedicated actor and director. He doesn;t suffer fools and I would hate to cross him. (I've watched a lot of con footage and he's kind of scary *g*). I think he "tolerates" fans but would rather sit around a table quietly talking about the craft of acting and directing. OR party hard and not have to talk about his character.

I suspect this comment came out of a long day at a conference. Also.. that he recognises that the act of killing Amy was problematic. I seriously don't think he thinks of Dean as an asshole. As in - "this character is a dick". It's more. "Yeah. Dean is flawed. He can be an asshole."

Re Jensen's acting. To me he's an actor who needs a good director. He CAN overact. He needs a director to tell him to tone it down. That's why I like his "drugged" Dean recently. He didn't go overboard, which I think is down to the director. I think Jensen can pull out some amazing acting (his post hell breakdown to Sam was stunning) but he can also overact when let loose (Yellow Fever anyone?!).

I am trying to get some more info about that comment from Jensen. It came from a RL friend so I will drill her for more info!

Oooh - and I meant to say. It's not in his eyes because Jensen has been told that Dean is not interested in the hunt anymore. Jensen is trying to play a disillusioned hunter - which is very different to his usual gun ho hunter.

HEE! Or something! I'm probably spouting rubbish. It.s just the way I see it. :D (though I agree at times he seems less passionate but I can't tell if it's Dean or Jensen).