6.15 reaction...
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ash48I just. O_O
I think I might be the only one around at the moment not squealing over that. In fact... I'm sure I spent the first half with my head in my hands - not sure IF I could continue watching. Then I decided to chill out and just go for the ride but even then I felt like I needed whatever they were on. And holy crap - they were on some heavy duty stuff..
I mean. I get. I do. There were moments that I seriously laughed out loud. My fav moments were Jared and Jensen playing Sam and Dean trying to be Jared and Jensen acting. Jensen putting on the "serious" face and Jared shuffling about was hilarious.
And Misha. Misha tweeting was priceless. But Misha overacting at the end just left me wondering what the fuck that was all about. The whole thing.
Kinda makes me feel like a killjoy. I know it was a bit fun. A chance for show to play with itself (and yep, I do mean it like that..) and chance to say "HI" to the fans. *waves* hi show! Thanks for recognising us in your show..*feels special*
I suppose I've never been good with forth wall breaking. Well, obliterating. I hated Hollywood Babylon and the whole SPN book thing, so yeah it's probably not surprising that this just didn't do it for me.
I loved the idea of an alternative universe though. If they had seriously gone into another universe (bit like It's a Terrible Life,) I would have been in heaven. Especially as they were making comparisons. I did love Dean thinking this would be a better place for Sam to live. And the acknowledgement that they weren't even brothers in this universe. It had some sweet moments and it was nice to see Gen again. But I'm not sure if she actually played herself and that's what she is like or just a, idk, kinda sour version of herself.
I'm sure the folk at Supernatural Magazine will be thrilled though. That was a nice shout out.
I'll stop here. I obviously didn't have the right brain on for this episode. Especially as I know so many people loved it. I'm thinking this should have been an episode I spoiled myself with. Maybe if I had gone in prepared I might not have spent the whole episode going... what the fuck..?!
Dear Show,
I know you are a TV Show. I do. Weird eh? But hey.... thanks for reminding me.
Yours strangely miffed.
It's likely that once I start reading some posts and picking up on everyones squee I will be able to take this episode how it was intended.
Sorry I'm not dancing about the place...I know it's not much fun to reading reactions like this but I gotta write it as I feel it.
ETA: Due to awesome flist comments I am beginning to feel better about this ep. There's more to it then first meets the eye it would seem. (yes, yes.. takes time for the penny to drop /o\) I may well process this some more and revise my feelings on this ep.
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Date: 2011-02-26 07:12 am (UTC)They're certainly playing carictures of real people. Misha was hilarious! Eric going out in a blaze of gunfire was a nice touch :D
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Date: 2011-02-26 07:23 am (UTC)additionally i loved their concept that öur"world is one where magic doesn't happen and God really doesnt exist.
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Date: 2011-02-26 07:25 am (UTC)*yikes* I think I missed the extra plot points.. my brain was busy trying to compute the show. I have to confess I'm a bit confused about the war in heaven. Maybe because we are just getting snippets of it. I figure it'll all mean something at some point. Maybe.
I think Eric going out like that was pretty funny. Something I'm sure Eric would have loved. But.....
Nah. I'll stop there. The cast and crew would have had a ball. :)
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Date: 2011-02-26 07:32 am (UTC)Yeah. I so desperately want to be in crack heaven with this. I have a feeling I will feel better about it once I start enjoying everyone's reactions.
But I suppose I've never really been one for these kind of episodes...so my reaction is pretty typical for me.
That's not to say I didn't appreciate a lot of the moments. The comparisons between the two worlds were great. And I love the confirmation that Supernatural is set in another universe. That works so well for me. It was the whole Jared and Jensen thing that had me squirming - even though a lot of it was hilarious.
And I did like the constant reference to them not talking. Maybe I liked more than I thought I did...*g*
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:07 am (UTC)I really enjoyed it even though I *am* a little tired of that fourth wall constantly collapsing. So, I'm torn really.
And yes, their "acting" killed me. Jensen's over serious face. rofl.
So this ep gave me a good laugh. However I'm glad they are back in their universe. :)
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:08 am (UTC)There were parts that made me squirm (the GP and GC stuff was too real for me and I have a gossip squick so I didn't want to look, though I get the joke with fake Ruby), the rest was surprisingly good and even gave us a few interesting tidbits between Dean and Sam. I loved the staring contest between Dean and Castiel (both real and fake *g*) and I can't wait to know what's going on in Hevean that Cas can't share. Hurry up show.
Also Misha made me lol in each of his scene.
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:16 am (UTC)I have to admit I was waiting in horror for some odd moment where they stepped off set and were mobbed by fangirls screaming and waving manipped slashy photos at them, at which point I think even I would have had to stop watching. But in essence I see it as a further alternate reality in which things aren't positioned axactly the same as here and that helps it sit better. Not so much as poking fun at just 'omg we're a show!', but more so a 'what if?' And now I'm rambling... but yes, Misha's tweets were adorable and I shall leave it at that. :P
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:19 am (UTC)Personally, I would really have liked Misha's death to have a real ring of truth about it. I'd love to have seen him play real fear. It really would have made this whole episode more worthwhile for me. But that whole killing spree what just some slap stick that really had me squirming. Sure - it was funny to see Kripke buy it. But I'd love there to have been some truth in there.
*shrugs* No biggie. I'm not nearly as pissed about it as I was before. That's why I love hearing other peoples thoughts.
*smish*
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:25 am (UTC)Because of his "silly" fear I didn't think he would end up dead. So I was a little shocked when the knife slit his throat. I wonder if the way it was filmed is a reference to some scene in some movie or so.
xoxo
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:29 am (UTC)And it was totally weird seeing GC.. well, GP in there. I really had trouble with that part. I mean, the jokes were all well and good.. but...*eek*... I really don't like looking at their real lives. (even if this was "fake" real lives - which I can only assume they were (?).
Misha was completely wonderful but I can't help wish that the final bit was played truthfully rather than over the top. I'd love to have seen real fear (as though it was the real Misha) so it could have shown how "not right" it was for the boys to be in this 'verse. I know they were going for laughs - so I shouldn't be such a kill joy.
The bit between Sam and Dean, affirming what Sam was saying at the end of last weeks episode, was particularly nice. And I did love the way Dean looked at Sam with the feeling that this would be a better place to live. A safer place.
I gotta take my grumpy hat off for this ep really. There was a lot to love.
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:32 am (UTC)But then to have a melodramatic Gen and Kripke being gleeful over the coverage...*shrugs* ACK! See... I keep missing the humour in this ep. Obviously that's the whole point. By faking it it shows us how unreal everything is..
or something..
I am NOT going to get all thinky thoughts about this.
I'm not.
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:38 am (UTC)See... it irked me that they were showing us their lives. But really. They weren't. Just another version of their lives... I mean. If there's this alternate reality then there would be others. There's another J&J and co who are not these ones. That's why Gen was so... um... fake. And Jared had pictures of himself all over the place.
Fuck! Talk about take time for the penny to drop.
I think that makes it a bit better for me. Still not keen on the forth wall thing but I can go with this now.
And I agree... if they had gone down the wincest route I would most definitely have turned off. I may be into it - but I don't like it when they are. :)
THANKS!
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Date: 2011-02-26 10:03 am (UTC)I'm not.
Lol! ;D
Yes, to me it was over the top too much, too. ...But maybe it was an alternative universe where all "real" people are a mere caricature of our reality. *g*
(End of thinky thought) :P
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Date: 2011-02-26 10:15 am (UTC)A comment below get me thinking and for some reason it makes a lot more sense to me.
That said...I don't know if my new way of thinking about it is right... it just helps with me accepting it more.
In my mind they film cast and crew were all kind of douches. I din't like them I couldn't figure out why they would show themselves like that. But of course, it's not the real real crew, just ONE alternate universe. A universe where God doesn't even exist. (assuming we take as read that in our world he does..to a lot of people...). So this was kind of fake and soulless SPN film crew universe. One where these boys didn't want to be.
God. Does that even make sense?? No wonder Gen wasn't very warm and Jared house was like some sort of monument to his wealth. In this universe Jared and Jensen don't talk to each other. So we know it's not OUR universe.
::KOFF::
I didn't get that the first time.
Damn it! I went all thinky on you!
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Date: 2011-02-26 10:32 am (UTC)It was bugging me, too, and I didn't know why.
We are smart you know, we worked it out (with the help of some other comments..):P
*dances the "old, slow ladies" dance with you* hahahaha!
♥
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Date: 2011-02-26 11:05 am (UTC)It is helpful to read what people have said here. I just can't shake the feeling that it could have been done better. That if I'd read this as fanfic written by a really good writer I would really have got into it, instead of feeling... off about it.
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Date: 2011-02-26 11:17 am (UTC)And I love what people have said and I am going to write up some thinky thoughts about this now that I've had time to digest it. But I agree.... I think some of it could have been handled better.
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Date: 2011-02-26 11:49 am (UTC)That said - I did like the sense it gave of who Sam and Dean are and why they do what they do. The world they fell into was a paradise compared to their own - no gods, no monsters, no heaven or hell. The place they arrived in less so - in order to be happy there, they'd definitely have to get out of the acting business, but still, it was clearly their ticket out.
But that didn't change the fact that they still knew there were gods and monsters somewhere, and people would still die in their world if they ignored what they knew. And once Virgil followed them, even their new world wasn't safe - he didn't bring his powers with him, but he brought his war, and he was able to do quite enough damage with that alone.
It was like an extended version of Sam-at-Stanford or Dean-with-Lisa: they were safe there right up until the moment they weren't. And while they, understandably, don't enjoy the poverty or the pain, they have too much of a sense of responsibility to ignore bad things just because they aren't happening right in front of them. It's nice to see them take some pride in that, instead of just being beaten down and trapped by fate. :)
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Date: 2011-02-26 11:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-26 12:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-26 12:05 pm (UTC)After thinking about it I don't mind so much the comparison of worlds - it was just so weird and cringe worthy that the world had have Jared and Jensen in it.
I don't like that Show (seems to be) arrogant enough to homage itself. It's one of the big problems I have with the whole 4th wall thing. It's very "look at us". But equally I know lots of people love that - so I suppose there's something for everyone. :)
I think I have some more thinky thoughts on this ep that I will probably post about.
Thanks for stopping by, :D
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Date: 2011-02-26 12:09 pm (UTC)xx
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Date: 2011-02-26 12:11 pm (UTC)xx
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Date: 2011-02-26 01:05 pm (UTC)I hope it doesn't ruin It's a Terrible Life for me, which was one of my favorite episodes ever.
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Date: 2011-02-26 01:10 pm (UTC)Just knowing what it's about should give you more courage, I had NO idea and it was a shock to say the least.
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Date: 2011-02-26 02:35 pm (UTC)However it was once again the total disrespect of another female character that turns my stomach.. The whole REAL LIFE WIFE was bad enough, I get the joke but knowing that IS real was disconcerting to say the least, but Sam obviously going upstairs to sleep with another man's wife, without her knowledge or consent? - *OUCH* NO NO NO!!! I don't know how Show can keep on doing this shit. I console myself in thinking he locked himself in the bathroom...he did didn't he?
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Date: 2011-02-26 02:51 pm (UTC)OMG! I didn't even consider that. My brain was still computing that this was Jared and Gen together in the same scene. And squirming over that. But yes... of course....that wasn't very well thought through because Sam wouldn't do that. Soulless!Sam would... but not our Sam.
I'm going to believe that he somehow managed to get out of it. Yes... bathroom sounds good to me. *g*
Oh show.
And yes.. they sure did make fun of themselves. I had problems with the way they did that but have since reconciled it with my latest post. I think..
Very weird episode.
xx
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Date: 2011-02-26 03:07 pm (UTC)You nailed it (here and in your later post) - it was essentially a mirror universe; one held up to our own with enough clarity that we could recognise and snigger at the in-jokes that were slid in for the fans, but with enough misty distortion to allow us to see this world's 'Jared' with an alpaca out the back instead of dogs, sixty billion artsy angles of himself framed on every possible wall and 'Jensen' with his playbacks on his own trailer television and magazines and framed photos strewn around featuring himself.
*hugs*
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Date: 2011-02-26 03:15 pm (UTC)SPN, by it's very nature is an extremely violent show, but somehow, despite the alternate, alternate universe we were in, they were still using that level of violence, in slow motion - as a means to make ME laugh. **shudder**
Anyway, it's done now, I'll look forward to getting a better episode next week - that's if we have one scheduled.
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Date: 2011-02-26 03:35 pm (UTC)Sam pretty much said he would do it all over again - the apocalypse, Lucifer, Hell, losing his soul - if it means that he and Dean are brothers. And that they're talking.
Pause a moment and consider the implications.
Because seriously, how long has it been since our boys were in this place? Season 1? Maybe Season 2?
The sense of unrelenting mounting tension between the two of them is gone. It's just not there any more. And that makes me so very, very happy.
The rest of the episode was fun... I'm sure someone will write lovely rollicking riffs off it, but it won't be me. :)
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Date: 2011-02-26 03:59 pm (UTC)But after the episode I just had this weird feeling. Like you said, that the fourth wall had been SO obliterated that I had trouble getting *back* into Sam & Dean world. It's like Jensen/Dean and Jared/Sam were now fused together in my head and I could not separate them.
So while I totally enjoyed and liked the episode, I did not enjoy the aftertaste (if that makes sense.)
Maybe because of the purposeful OTT acting in the AU world--all I could see when they returned was Dean's batman face/deep voice.
MishaCastiel's (I truly started to write Misha instead of Castiel)..Castiel's uber-serious face (with a touch of over acting). Even the new BAMF woman!Raphael seemed melodramatic to me.So maybe it *was* too much after all? Despite the fact that I truly enjoyed the ride?
Oh and btw, I really disliked Hollywood Babylon when it first aired. A lot. I felt so left out what with all the squeeing. And I did laugh at parts of it. The same with Ghostfacers (which I hated even more). But both have grown on me and I really enjoy them now.
I'd hate to think this episode will somehow be the reverse of that. One that I enjoyed and LOLd a lot at while it aired. But then slowly began to not like so much.
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Date: 2011-02-26 09:21 pm (UTC)I honestly don't like the meta eps that much so was not really looking forward to this with high expectations other than it was going to have some laughs. Approaching it like that made me actually like it more than I thought and made the silly silly scenes hilarious.
It's almost like watching that Eye of the Tiger blip Jensen did. Had nothing to do with the show whatsoever, but still is fun to watch. That's how I feel about this ep with just a few plot points scattered in that probably could have been seeded in any episode if this one never aired anyway. It's all good.
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Date: 2011-02-27 12:53 am (UTC)I know you are a TV Show. I do. Weird eh? But hey.... thanks for reminding me.
Yours strangely miffed.
LOL, I liked that. All I can say is that it's a good thing I stopped taking the show seriously before we ever got to this point. The fact that they're poking fun at the way they're phoning it in was -- I dunno, kind of amusing now that it's not so painful anymore?
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Date: 2011-02-27 04:31 am (UTC)It was kinda a mind spinny way of getting to that point, but I know a lot of people loved it - so that's great. Just not really my cup of tea.
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Date: 2011-02-27 04:38 am (UTC)I think, for me, I don't need or like reminders that we are watching actors playing parts. To be honest I find it kinda boring. We know they're actors, we know it's all fake so why make a thing about it. Of course, I know why... it provided a lot of laughs and gave us a break from all the angst the show likes to pile on. Fair enough too I suppose. I just don't find it that enjoyable to watch.
Strangely, I have more appreciation for it a day later. I think it was quite a clever use of an alternate universe. I think I might watch it again with my new "eyes" on and see how it looks. I still don't think I will have that capslock glee that I've seen many have.
I didn't mind Ghost Facers. I thought the outside POV was interesting. And HB is pretty tame now compared to this episode. :D
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Date: 2011-02-27 04:42 am (UTC)xx
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Date: 2011-02-27 04:46 am (UTC)And that left me feeling, well, a little more than miffed. But I am trying to ignore it. Because then I would be taking it too seriously... *g*
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Date: 2011-02-27 04:56 am (UTC)Also, I think there's a vast difference between them mocking themselves and their industry, and them mocking fans and their industry, which they are not a part of and have a very different perspective on. It's not unlike the dissonance of the NY Times article on the series, only it's more personal.
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Date: 2011-02-27 05:02 am (UTC)(You'd have also thought Dean would have been way more upset at seeing Sam going off with Ruby again, too, regardless of the alternate universe issue).
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Date: 2011-02-27 05:05 am (UTC)I knew there was a reason I actually felt sad at the end of that was well as miffed.
(I didn't write about being sad because I couldn't find the words. But... what you said basically).
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Date: 2011-02-27 05:12 am (UTC)The slo mo in particular was a homage to (I'd say) the western genre. Maybe even The Godfather. (I haven't seen the Godfather but because it is referenced in the beginning I figure there must be some reference to it somewhere in the ep...).
I think.. MAYBE... they were showing us a glorified violence as a way of making a kind of meta comment on the actual violence in the show. A bit like cartoon violence. It's excessive and over the top and therefore acceptable. Or something. I certainly wasn't laughing during that final shoot 'em scene. I found it quite disturbing - but I thought that was the whole point. Ack! Maybe I should have been laughing...
Oh noes! I'm watching the show wrong... /o\ (that's in reference to recent comments about fans watching the show "wrong" sometimes... which makes me laugh...)
xx
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Date: 2011-02-27 05:14 am (UTC)That could have been really interesting.... Dean trying to stop Sam not only because she looks like Ruby but because she's someone else's wife.
Missed opportunity I'd say.
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Date: 2011-02-27 10:15 am (UTC)I'm also thinking now that some of the meta over taking Kripke down was talking about how BIG the BOSS is and how much fire power you'd have to have to drop him - that kind of thing.
Self indulgency is one of those things that is either going to make you laugh or cringe and understand only if you follow a lot of set gossip, which I don't, although I have since hunted down a lot of it - and yeah, I STILL don't want to know THAT ok?
As for the watching it wrong faction - gets right up my nose, it's so stupid, either put forward your own views or discuss a point, but if someone wants to vent about how much they hated it they have just as much right as someone flailing all over how much they loved it. We all have the right to watch and have an opinion, just because it's not the same one how can that translate to watching it "wrong" - pppphhhht, doesn't surprise me though, it goes on in ALL fandoms as far as I can tell, bet soon someone will unwittingly break out the "true fan" book of rules and regulations and the shit will hit the other kind of fan! Hehe, too old to bother about really and hey I'm only 15!!
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Date: 2011-02-28 12:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-28 01:06 am (UTC)I'm wondering whether, after 6 years living with these characters, the crew, and J2 in particular, do need to break the 4th wall for exactly that reason, to remind themselves of what's real and what's not. They're neither Sam & Dean, nor are they Jared & Jensen as portrait in the media. I think these epiosdes are quite therapeutic for them, in some weired way.
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Date: 2011-02-28 01:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-28 09:28 am (UTC)The thing is, I'm really in two minds with this episode. I can appreciate it on its meta level and for the fun - the thing I think I mostly have a problem with is breaking the 4th wall. Just squicks me too much.
There's certainly more I like about it since this post. Though I will probably never get over feeling that it was self serving rather than for us. But *shrugs* I figure they deserve to have some fun too. They are, after all, celebrating 6 seasons. :)
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