I'm actually really sad to hear that. For two reasons. 1) That you feel d/c shippers wouldn't have been able to discuss that without it being wanky and 2) the feeling we were talking "about" them and not "with them".
Something I particularly liked was the differing levels of opinions - whether they be from d/c shippers or not. We did have d/c shippers join in the discussion and I felt their points were extremely strong and actually opened my eyes to the idea that, actually, this could be a possibility. I also read articles on it on some tumblr posts and actually feel like I have a pretty good (and positive) viewpoint on the arguments.
Also (and I believe why it didn't become a wank fest), we weren't discussing whether we want it to happen (even though people stated their preferences for that at times), it was more about how it could work, what it would mean for Supernatural and the evolution of the show. I've come away with a much broader insight into the very notion of fandom ships becoming canon. Mostly, that it's nothing new (the desire for it that is) and there are some broader discussions about it out there. That was the most interesting part of the discussion for me.
I knew there would be potential for nastiness, but even through differing opinions were aired everyone's were respected.
I can't see why, just because we are passionate fans, we can't actually discuss stuff that is going on in fandom (I believe I mentioned being naive in my disclaimer). I'd like to think it was civil because the people who chose to participated decided to put their points forward in a non threatening, respectful way.
The discussion ended up being what it was simply because I had asked the question about it. IF I had posted the essay there might have been a more "scientific" discussion. This was never about being scientific, this was a group of fans having a (hopefully safe) place to come and talk about fandom stuff.
I did feel though that some of the reasons presented for why it won't become canon very sound. It mostly came down to TPTB not having the balls. There were many other good, sane reasons but they are in the thread and I won't regurgitate them here. (Also some compelling reason why it just might.)
The saddest thing about your comment is the very thing that I find upsetting in fandom at the moment. And that is that there is "us" and "them". I, naively, would like to think of us as "we".
(perhaps I better stay in my corner after all...)
ETA: There's actually a great discussion going on at the moment between a d/c shipper and a non d/c shipper. It fills my heart with glee. :))
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Date: 2013-05-15 12:12 am (UTC)I'm actually really sad to hear that. For two reasons. 1) That you feel d/c shippers wouldn't have been able to discuss that without it being wanky and 2) the feeling we were talking "about" them and not "with them".
Something I particularly liked was the differing levels of opinions - whether they be from d/c shippers or not. We did have d/c shippers join in the discussion and I felt their points were extremely strong and actually opened my eyes to the idea that, actually, this could be a possibility. I also read articles on it on some tumblr posts and actually feel like I have a pretty good (and positive) viewpoint on the arguments.
Also (and I believe why it didn't become a wank fest), we weren't discussing whether we want it to happen (even though people stated their preferences for that at times), it was more about how it could work, what it would mean for Supernatural and the evolution of the show. I've come away with a much broader insight into the very notion of fandom ships becoming canon. Mostly, that it's nothing new (the desire for it that is) and there are some broader discussions about it out there. That was the most interesting part of the discussion for me.
I knew there would be potential for nastiness, but even through differing opinions were aired everyone's were respected.
I can't see why, just because we are passionate fans, we can't actually discuss stuff that is going on in fandom (I believe I mentioned being naive in my disclaimer). I'd like to think it was civil because the people who chose to participated decided to put their points forward in a non threatening, respectful way.
The discussion ended up being what it was simply because I had asked the question about it. IF I had posted the essay there might have been a more "scientific" discussion. This was never about being scientific, this was a group of fans having a (hopefully safe) place to come and talk about fandom stuff.
I did feel though that some of the reasons presented for why it won't become canon very sound. It mostly came down to TPTB not having the balls. There were many other good, sane reasons but they are in the thread and I won't regurgitate them here. (Also some compelling reason why it just might.)
The saddest thing about your comment is the very thing that I find upsetting in fandom at the moment. And that is that there is "us" and "them". I, naively, would like to think of us as "we".
(perhaps I better stay in my corner after all...)
ETA: There's actually a great discussion going on at the moment between a d/c shipper and a non d/c shipper. It fills my heart with glee. :))