Fair enough but I don't think he would have chosen to die, but we'll never know as this was never on the cards.
I'm curious why you think he wouldn't have chosen to die. Like Dean said, there's no way that Sam would've agreed to the possession. Sam had no idea that Dean had this in mind, when he said "yes". All he knew was that Dean said he could "fix this". He gave Sam a glimmer of hope, but that doesn't mean that Sam would have agreed to it. Sam has made it very clear that he's 100 percent against what happened, and not just because Kevin was killed. Same circumstances, he would've let Dean die, so there's no way he would've said yes to Gadreel. Sam's attitude isn't something "new", based on on the bad fallout from the possession... it meshes with his decision to accept Dean's death at the end of season 7.
But yeah, choice wins out for me on this issue.
So, if Sam chose to die, you'd accept it? Accept that he'd be gone for good, no deals to bring him back?
But for him to finally speak out about his life always being taken control of is growth I think, rather than out of character.
In this case, "taking control" saved his life. I get that saying "Dean, it's my life, my decision", sounds like a healthy attitude, but it's Sam fighting for the right to die. Fighting for the right to walk away from "them", from being brothers, being family. It's walking away from the promises they made in that church. Leaving Dean to face the angel and demon stuff on his own. That's why I don't see it as progress.
I'm still confused how anyone can think he doesn't love Dean. Standing up for yourself shouldn't mean you don't love someone.
I'm not saying that he doesn't love Dean, but in "standing up for himself", he's trashing everything meaningful between them. He's saying that Dean sees himself as a hero and savior, but he does more bad than good, and so what the upside of Sam being alive? As if Dean caring about saving his brother's life doesn't matter. And then when Dean answers and says "you and me, fighting the good fight together", Sam totally rejects that, says that Dean only did it for himself, not for their brotherhood, not for them as a team, not out of love. Just cause Dean couldn't be alone. Which I totally believe isn't true. If that were the case, then we can throw away everything that was said in the church scene, and it was all a lie, which it's not. He's saying it's just business between them, that they're working together, but not as brothers. So, as much as I love Sam, I don't like his attitude.
Interesting article...
I haven't been able to state my case very clearly (not being as articulate as some).</i
OMG, I feel that way all the time, that I wish I was more articulate.
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Date: 2014-02-15 06:13 am (UTC)I'm curious why you think he wouldn't have chosen to die. Like Dean said, there's no way that Sam would've agreed to the possession. Sam had no idea that Dean had this in mind, when he said "yes". All he knew was that Dean said he could "fix this". He gave Sam a glimmer of hope, but that doesn't mean that Sam would have agreed to it. Sam has made it very clear that he's 100 percent against what happened, and not just because Kevin was killed. Same circumstances, he would've let Dean die, so there's no way he would've said yes to Gadreel. Sam's attitude isn't something "new", based on on the bad fallout from the possession... it meshes with his decision to accept Dean's death at the end of season 7.
But yeah, choice wins out for me on this issue.
So, if Sam chose to die, you'd accept it? Accept that he'd be gone for good, no deals to bring him back?
But for him to finally speak out about his life always being taken control of is growth I think, rather than out of character.
In this case, "taking control" saved his life. I get that saying "Dean, it's my life, my decision", sounds like a healthy attitude, but it's Sam fighting for the right to die. Fighting for the right to walk away from "them", from being brothers, being family. It's walking away from the promises they made in that church. Leaving Dean to face the angel and demon stuff on his own. That's why I don't see it as progress.
I'm still confused how anyone can think he doesn't love Dean. Standing up for yourself shouldn't mean you don't love someone.
I'm not saying that he doesn't love Dean, but in "standing up for himself", he's trashing everything meaningful between them. He's saying that Dean sees himself as a hero and savior, but he does more bad than good, and so what the upside of Sam being alive? As if Dean caring about saving his brother's life doesn't matter. And then when Dean answers and says "you and me, fighting the good fight together", Sam totally rejects that, says that Dean only did it for himself, not for their brotherhood, not for them as a team, not out of love. Just cause Dean couldn't be alone. Which I totally believe isn't true. If that were the case, then we can throw away everything that was said in the church scene, and it was all a lie, which it's not. He's saying it's just business between them, that they're working together, but not as brothers. So, as much as I love Sam, I don't like his attitude.
Interesting article...
I haven't been able to state my case very clearly (not being as articulate as some).</i OMG, I feel that way all the time, that I wish I was more articulate.