9.21 reaction/review
May. 7th, 2014 09:42 pmI really bloody liked that. Like. Really. It was epic and even though it was all demons and angels (which I normally find rather ho hum) it felt like we progressed more than we've done in ages (I'd say since the season the hiatus finale).
The "then" segment went on FOREVER so I figured we'd be in for a major myth arc episode (and after last week I was happy for that!). I have accepted that this is a season of angel and demons and if I'm going to continue to enjoy it I have to embrace that as much as I can.
And I actually did embrace it (perhaps the glass of wine before I watched helped *g*).
Put it this way. I go into each episode with absolute dread that they're going to do something to either Sam or Dean that's totally out of character and it will make me cry. Mostly, that they'll make Sam do or say something that will have fans (once again) asking him to eat a bullet (yes, my heart is still trying to heal over that one). So I think my "relief" when that doesn't happen makes me enjoy an episode even more. On top of that, if they actually have Sam being smart (and caring and thoughtful) then of course I am even happier (and we even had some Sam POV! *g*).
We also had loads of brotherly moments. I am a totally cheap audience member because give me some bro touching, some in-the-car-at-the-end-of-the-episode chat, some actual honesty between them and I am SOLD!
Sam being super smart and sassy and talking that angel into spilling the beans and then Dean playing along and them both being AWESOME together was worth the price of the admission alone. They worked as a team and I was SO SO SO SO relieved that we didn't have to sit through torture. It was a clever move because that scene was set up for us to see just how dark Dean was becoming, but it didn't happen that way. Clever!
Particulars
Dean This episode made me even more curious about the direction Dean is heading in. We got more insight into the effect of the blade and I really like the way it connects to what Dean was saying about his time in Purgatory. There's a calm (a purity, something "good") about how it makes him feel. It's not just dark for the sake of dark. It give him a lot of power and I can't help but see the parallel between blood drinking!Sam and MoC!Dean. Sam felt powerful and in control when he was addicted to demon blood. Dean feels calm - possibly even at peace - with the MoC. Things that both of them have sought. I now feel like I understand Dean addiction to it.
As corny as it was when the blade magicked itself to Dean, I like the idea of how it's drawn to him. And he to it. They are as one. This is powerful stuff.
And no, I wasn't sold with all the face pulling (and fairly weak special effects) in the climatic scene, and having Dean suspended on that wall just looked plain silly. I WISH they had the thought to have mirrored the way he was pinned to the wall in Devil's Trap when YED!John was taunting him. He was vulnerable and powerfulness in that scene. Here it was completely opposite and it would have been POETRY if they had set that scene in a similar way. Instead, I am going to imagine that it happened that way because that would have been incredible.
I loved that Dean was still mindful of Sam (picking up Sam's "play" in the interrogation room) and he even preempted Sam being pissed about him lying to him (again). But you know, I could understand Dean's thinking. It made some sense. If Sam had ended up in Abaddon's grip then Dean wouldn't be able to act as he did (and he probably didn't want Sam seeing it either). I know that it means Dean doesn't trust that Sam can look after himself (or felt that he could even plan it with Sam), but Dean KNEW what he was going to do. MoC!Dean is single minded and a man on a mission.
His "no" the end was chilling and awesome and foreboding (and kinda hot) . I think I might officially be excited about where this is going (am I wrong for wanting a really (really!) dark Dean that digs into his deepest desires?). And Jensen looked gorgeous. Ok, so I know that's a given, but even more gorgeous. If that's possible.
Sam
I continue to be completely baffled by what they've trying to do with Sam - both this season and the last, but at least we saw a competent and clever Sam who still holds deep feelings about his possession. I CANNOT TELL you how happy I am that Cas questioned him about it. If only to see that look on Sam's face and the admission that he doesn't want to talk about it. We learned more about what it was like for Sam (that he knew someone else was there and he didn't feel threatened) than we did in the first half of the season. Jared did a great job in that scene I thought.
I loved how protective he was of Dean (getting the blade out of the body and keeping hold of it) and how he spoke up about it changing Dean. Not just when he's got the blade, but how it's changing him. Sam would know of course.
I can't even think about all the other stuff that's going on for him. He mentioned more about the possession, but we only got a hint about how he felt about Dean lying to him again. I did like the "I can't believe you've lied to me again" look when he found out about Dean hiding the truth, but Sam is so damn awesome he just let it ride. He was unhappy about it but he knows so much is going on for Dean. This episode demonstrated how Sam doesn't dwell on his own issues. I might be hurt that Dean doesn't understand the depths of what he did when he tricked Sam into the possession, but it looks like Sam's absorbing it and seeing the bigger picture at the moment.
Cas
Man, this character. Ok, so we're back to kickass, leader Cas and I do like this version of him. I mostly liked negotiating, diplomatic Cas. He's more like a politician now - talking the talk and getting his "heavies" to get information. Interesting that he didn't feel he could do the "torturing" to get the info out of smarmy angel!dude - but he could ask his friends to do it for him. I suppose Sam and Dean do have a reputation (which is way I LOVE that they used smarts over brawn to get the info). I'm not sure how I feel that he used them like that, but maybe in politics you use all the resources you can.
I enjoyed Cas and Gadreel's scenes.
How hilarious was Cas's entrance?! What was that? We were supposed to laugh yes? Or did we have to think that Cas was actually a major threat? Oh man, Misha's face when he came in...
I liked that he's on a hug-greeting basis with the boys (and I smiled at his lingered hold on Sam. It feels like after everything he and Sam have been through, there really is forgiveness and caring. The fact that Sam trusting Cas was mentioned was a nice touch. I've been wanting to see this connection for a while so it was nice to see it in this episode).
All the other stuff
I think there's something wrong with me. Just like Kevin's death, I was spectacularly unmoved by Abaddon's. And I don't know why!! I should probably have been pissed because I really loved that character. She brought a great presence and sas to the screen. I think maybe because death just doesn't mean anything any more. If they want her back they'll find a way to bring her back. They might not, but when characters die I see past the emotion I should be feeling and just see it as part of the plot (maybe I should have been happy that the demon threat was gone - but there was not even any satisfaction in that. Just - well, a pretty cheesy death scene. I wonder why they didn't give us a close up of that. We'd been on a journey with that character, so I'd loved to have seen a little more out of that).
Crowley is more interesting to me now, but wow - why is he still around? Seriously?! Why don't they just kill him? He was right there!! I don't get the "when the time comes to kill Crowley we'll use the blade". Maybe Sam didn't want Dean using the blade again. Their relationship to Crowley continues to baffle me. But, whatever. I'm past thinking too hard about that. I seriously hope the climax of S9 isn't them killing Crowley. I can't imagine it will be because he's just not really a threat at the moment.
His son has been brought back as a new player yes? There's absolutely no reason for him to have be appear if they didn't have plans to use him again (unless it really was to get him to buckle to Abaddon. I don't know - seems weird if it's just for that. But maybe).
Gadreel looks to be on a redemption arc. Curious to see where that goes. Not something I have feelings about either way. Cas has made a connection with him but I can't imagine Dean or Sam feeling the same level of trust (and I hope Cas doesn't get burned for that trust - to repetitive).
I won't deny that there were some clunky moments and the directorial choices were a little odd, but I thought there was enough going on to keep my interest. There were also some classic lines - I actually laughed out loud a number of times (and "666" as Crowley's name will always amuse me). And selling your soul for a bigger willy? Ha.
So where are we now?
Abaddon is gone (and why was she even brought back? Her first death was more powerful and satisfying. Her reappearance didn't do much at all for this season's storyline - I think? Maybe just having her on screen because - yay.).
Dean is heading somewhere where they ain't no lights on.
Sam is holding it together and looks ready to provide a torch for Dean.
Cas is preparing his minions.
Gadreel is all thinky about whose side he's going to be on (set to double cross Metatron me thinks).
Crowley is funny and has feels.
Metatron is in the wind (probably writing the finale)
Crowley's son is wandering around wondering what the fuck and probably acting like Ichabod (and what problems might have been created by him remaining in the "future"?).
There are portals!! These writers (Taxi Driver peeps) like portals! A portal to Hell via purgatory and now a portal to Heaven. Insta!portal will solve all those
This made me feel more positive going into the next 2 episodes. Sam and Dean are at least talking and even though they aren't "supposed" to be on the same page, they kind of seem to be (I don't even know). The Mark looks like it might do something interesting and I think we're in for a twist we might not have worked out just yet. Or maybe we have. I think one will end up killing the other and there will be great angst abound at the end. But death isn't final so it will be purely about the angst.
But I'm getting used to that now.
Maybe.
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Date: 2014-05-07 01:57 pm (UTC)And speaking of redemption arc, of COURSE Gadreel and Crowley get theirs (or at least fleshing out) because they sail happily on the S.S. White Dick and ain't nobody gonna sink that ship (welcome aboard, Gavin!)
My boyfriend screamed "WHY ARE THEY NOT KILLING CROWLEY!?" at the TV, and I just said "he's a popular white male actor" and he left the couch and didn't come back lol.
And you know why you felt nothing when Abaddon died? Because, like Naomi, they never any time to flesh her out, because she was a plot device with a vagina. A red(headed) shirt, if you will.
A (PLOT)HOLE TO HEAVEN. HOW ORIGINAL! HOW FRESH!
I'll bet $20 right now that Demon Dean flashing his black eyes is the last shot of the finale. Let's see if Carver remembers who can CURE A DEMON WITH HIS BLOOD and can salvage that clusterfuck of a side plot in S10.
p.s. And goddamit, if they INSIST on Castiel closeups, get Misha some goddamn fucking chapstick already. I'm ready to get rid of my HD TV. And stop squinting, you fool, you look like Chad Michael Murray.
p.s.s. I had to go bake cookies after that episode, because reasons.
p.s.s.s This was cathartic! :D
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:11 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:28 pm (UTC)I feel like I should probably be in a coma rage as well but I am remarkably chill because I think I expect nothing more! I mean - I expected a lot worse, so came off it feeling relieved rather than ranty.
I have to believe... WANT TO BELIEVE that they are leaving the Sam trauma aftermath for the end. Though - I actually don't think they will and I am actually thinking (as I mused int he last couple of reviews) that Sam's trauma is forgotten. Which is why, when we had teary Sam eyes, that I felt like we had a SMIDGEON of Sam POV. Credit I suppose to Jared selling the moment the best he could. Which is why my "Sam is strong and can weather anything" is my new approach to in order to survive this season..
And you know why you felt nothing when Abaddon died? Because, like Naomi, they never any time to flesh her out, because she was a plot device with a vagina. A red(headed) shirt, if you will.
YES! It's the most appalling thing and it BAFFLES ME (I like baffles tonight it seems) that they can flesh out Jody but no other female characters. Naomi was is a great comparison to Abaddon. It's SO SO weird because they had that character ep for her vessel and then...DEAD! I thought we'd actually have dead Crowley and Queen of Hell Abaddon at the end. It seems Crowley is far too popular an actor to kill him off yet.
Her death SHOULD have been powerful and affecting but it only served to enhance the hero's story only (so fridged maybe?).
Having said that, in story terms, it ties off a loose end (which is how they would have viewed it).
Crowley should have died EONS ago! Or he should have killed them EONS ago. I hate that it continues to not make sense. If they are going to kill off characters SO OFTEN why not kill of the ones that MAKES MORE SENSE TO KILL OFF!
Ha... you got me shouting now!
As I said, a glass of wine helped me brace for this ep!
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-05-07 02:35 pm (UTC)I don't think they care about Sam's aftermath, for the same reason that they don't care about vessel consent or vessel death -- it's too hard for them to suss out the nuances of it because none of these writers have the capability for it. Sam/Cas scene in 9.11 -- all about Cas and his peanut butter and jelly. Sam/Cas scene in 9.21 -- all about Gadreel and how ~misundersood~ he is. Well, boo hoo princess!
p.s. Even my boyfriend, the biggest Sam-hating Deangirl around, thinks the Dean story is a sad bootleg version of demon blood Sam lol.
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:37 pm (UTC)Dean:
Loved the "no" at the end. That last scene might've been the only half-way decent writing of the whole shebang. (Though I did like that Cas finally asked Sam about Gadreel, though like Tebtosca said, it felt misdirected. The convo was about Gadreel's redemption arc instead of the injustices done to Sam.) Also loved Jensen's expression when Dean finally looked up from Abaddon's pummeled body: part relief, part dull shock. Nicely played, sir!
Sam:
Clearly, they're still trying to figure out who Sam is. Maybe they should just ask Jared. OR US.
I might be hurt that Dean doesn't understand the depths of what he did when he tricked Sam into the possession, but it looks like Sam's absorbing it and seeing the bigger picture at the moment. Or maybe Sam is just so accustomed to being lied to, by Dean, it's hardly a blip on his radar anymore. :(
Cas:
I snorted too when Cas made his big musical entrance. OY.
Cas felt kinda perfunctory to me this episode, but maybe that's because I'm bored with the way angels have evolved. I used to dig them lots! But now? Not so much. They're not daunting, scary 'others' anymore. I miss that.
I'm super bad at guessing where the show is heading, but I'm pretty sure I don't care about what's been teased for the next episode. I want Winchester biz. MoC deliciousness for Dean. Sam using his leeetle grey cells. FEEEEELINGS, as the King of Hell would say. ;)
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:44 pm (UTC)Sam should've sputtered, right then and there: "What show are YOU watching?!"
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:48 pm (UTC)PS: Tell your puppy I said to run and hide for next week's ep.
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:56 pm (UTC)You know, I get it that people don't want to speak badly of the show because of the enormous pleasure they have received from watching the brothers' saga, myself included, but when the writing and the disregard for canon and all that has gone before is so blatant, it's hard to root for these mediocre uncreative writers.
Even the scarcest fanfic writer can come up with an engaging story-line. They freely spend their precious time writing fic because of their love for Sam and Dean, but these professional writers obviously have no love for the Winchesters.
They seem annoyed that they have to write for them when they could be writing for a show of their own invention such as the "wonderful" Bloodlines. Yuck.
Anyway, I won't cut Carver any slack. When he demonstrates his respect for the characters, their unique bro-bond, the show and it's past history, I'll praise him, but until then he's going to get all my criticism for how he's reduced Sam and Dean to dumb wallpaper.
Sorry about the rant. :(
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Date: 2014-05-07 02:58 pm (UTC)That was me!! I was SO excited for that because that's exactly what I thought they were going to do. I did! I still want to believe that. Why would they do such an epic thing and NOT ADDRESS IT!?! Totally rhetorical because it was ALL about getting Dean to the point of saying yes to the Mark. THAT WAS IT! BLARGH!
thinks the Dean story is a sad bootleg version of demon blood Sam lol.
It is. Looking back Sam's blood story was deftly handled over a long period (and then totally forgotten in later season). The problem with this is Sam has been used as a plot point to create Dean's story without any consideration for what it might mean to Sam. It's immaterial. I like the idea that they could delve deeper into Dean, but I think they're running out of time to do that properly. Or better than they've done in the past.
Sam/Cas scene in 9.11 -- all about Cas and his peanut butter and jelly. Sam/Cas scene in 9.21 -- all about Gadreel and how ~misundersood~ he is. Well, boo hoo princess!
Hey! you're sounding like a Sam!girl! (*nods* in other words)
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Date: 2014-05-07 03:03 pm (UTC)I've really gotta try to get hold of what I haven't seen and catch up before the season finale.
Does everyone still think that the last show of the season will be Dean, under the influence of the Mark (and possibly something shady Crowley has planned), turning the blade on Sam? I must admit the title certainly raises questions.
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Date: 2014-05-07 03:17 pm (UTC)Oh, good point. I didn't notice who the director was - but there was definitely something "off" about the directing. I didn't mind the pacing so much, but I think we feel it's "slow" when the boys aren't on the screen. Well, I do anyway.
(Though I did like that Cas finally asked Sam about Gadreel, though like Tebtosca said, it felt misdirected. The convo was about Gadreel's redemption arc instead of the injustices done to Sam.)
It was. But I think we have to take what we can get. Jared made it more that was probably written. Cas needed info and the scene WAS about that. But what we got was more about the possession so I am personally thrilled about that. Cas was pretty cold about what was going for either Sam or Dean actually. He has a political agenda now and I'm not sure thinking about how Sam was feeling about being possessed was on his radar (nor what it meant for Dean to be asked to torture someone).
Or maybe Sam is just so accustomed to being lied to, by Dean, it's hardly a blip on his radar anymore. :(
I got a sense of that. A resignation. I really liked Jared's expressions during that moment. I have a feeling that he's giving Sam the stuff that perhaps the writer's don't understand. Or maybe I'm just looking for it THAT hard.
Cas felt kinda perfunctory to me this episode, but maybe that's because I'm bored with the way angels have evolved.
Hmmm, I felt Cas was essentially there to get Gadreel on side. Gadreel's double cross is going to matter in the future so that needed to be set up. we also had to see the way he's handling things. that he's in control and not afraid to kill etc etc. I'm not particularly interested in the angel stuff, but it's going to matter in the final 2 eps so I really hope they can do something interesting there.
but I'm pretty sure I don't care about what's been teased for the next episode.
Ack! More angels? I haven't watched the promo - though I do know which character returns. I'm still hoping for so much from Sam (and Dean!) in the last two eps. I hope they're not brother light. Unfortunately whenever the angels and demons are on screen the brothers get a heap less time. I think that's why I like the MoTW eps. Lot's of bros.
*clings*
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Date: 2014-05-07 03:24 pm (UTC)And this is one of the saddest things. Abaddon began as a truly fascinating character, one who could -- and would! -- give the guys some grief. They gave her a few interesting background seconds as one of Cain's Knights . . . then dropped her by the wayside. She could have been awesome.
And stop squinting, you fool, you look like Chad Michael Murray.
*dies*
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Date: 2014-05-07 03:42 pm (UTC)From all the gifs and chat you'd probably feel like you've seen it (man, I couldn't spoilt myself that much. Have you not had time to watch? Arghhh).
Does everyone still think that the last show of the season will be Dean, under the influence of the Mark (and possibly something shady Crowley has planned), turning the blade on Sam? I must admit the title certainly raises questions.
I think this is what a lot of people are still feeling. Or Sam has to kill Dean maybe. Another Sam death will be pretty damn repetitive. They mention a "twist", but I can't imagine anything happening that hasn't already been thought of. Unless they introduce a completely new character.
I can't wait to just watch so we know once and for all. Hope you get a chance to catch up!
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Date: 2014-05-07 03:52 pm (UTC)Hee. That's apparently me, too. :) That said, I also liked the episode, if a bit less than you. Abaddon's death was too soon and not really worthy of the character, I'm bored silly by the angel politics, and I seem to be needing a lot more Sam & Dean than the writers are willing to give. The moments we did get were fine, but there just weren't enough of them.
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Date: 2014-05-07 04:03 pm (UTC)Agreed on all points. I had some teeth gnashing but my rage was very tempered because thanks to this poorly handled season my interest is waning rapidly.
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Date: 2014-05-07 04:10 pm (UTC)That's it exactly!
My hubby was also all Dean for the first Seven seasons and can't buy into this arc at all.
Neither can I because none of it make a sense. I cannot buy randomly assigned rage. And the poorly shot effects aren't helping. I could practically see Alaina's wires.
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Date: 2014-05-07 04:43 pm (UTC)Spoilers have never bothered me, it's still good to watch even if you know what's going to happen :)
I saw something written by someone who was at the con. Apparently Jared said that he was pretty pumped when he saw the finale script and said something along the lines that people were gonna love it. Jensen however said he read it and thought, wow, they went there?. So it sounds like he really wasn't expecting whatever it is. I agree Sam dying again would be a bit repetitive, but I can't help thinking that the Mark is going to make Dean play out the whole Cain and Abel thing. And the title, "Do you believe in miracles?" really does sound like another resurrection. Maybe this time Sam will stuff Gadreel into Dean, now that would be a twist, lol.
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Date: 2014-05-07 04:46 pm (UTC)And why all the screen time to Gavin? Why would I possibly care about Crowley's relationship with his son? Is he going to be important next season? Yes, Sam emphasized the 'time paradox' issue, but I can't see how that would matter.
I must be on a different page than most fans about Abaddon, I thought she got an excellent death.
Just going to vent that I REALLY hate where Carver has taken the show, sigh. Bring back Sera Gamble!
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Date: 2014-05-07 04:53 pm (UTC)Oh, and you're almost certainly right about the "Let's Talk About Gadreel" scene as necessary plot advancement, and whatever insight we gleaned was courtesy of Jared. And in theory, I don't have a problem with leaving the emotional onus on the actors (it's their job; it's what they do!), but the problem is when the writers don't know the characters well enough to NOT stick them into situations that the characters would normally not put himself in or react markedly different in, and the dialogue cannot in any way support the emotional logic. If that made a damned bit of sense! For instance, Castiel knows about Dean being forced to torture in Hell, but MISHA does not. So Misha couldn't play with that moral dilemma in his performance. (This might not be the best example, because I suppose it could be reasoned that Cas is kicking into warlord mode and has to do what needs to be done, kindness be damned. But Cas knows about the MoC, so...blarg!)
In other words, the actors can't be expected to gild a turd.
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Date: 2014-05-07 05:52 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-05-07 06:30 pm (UTC)I'm watching the show but I'm not feeling it anymore. Reading everybody else's comments here and in former reviews makes me understand why. I will continue to watch SPN but I will only start to feel the show again if/when it's once more written with passion and understanding (and respect) for the characters. If that doesn't happen I will always have Sam and Dean that live in my heart for being who they used to be and the SPN universe they represented, and what it brought me at the time, filling my heart with passionate feelings, being invested in the story, making friends online, learning how to vid (and learning that I couldn't write a fanfic if I tried. LOL). This is something nobody can take from me.
Hope I'm not sounding dramatic. lol. It's just where I'm at, sorting out my feelings.
xx
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Date: 2014-05-07 06:43 pm (UTC)