Poll 10.18

[ash48]

I definitely have stuff I want to say about this episode but I'm so short of time. Just returned from visit my family over east and now getting ready for my daughter's epic 18th party. I'd still love to know what you all thought of 10.18. In short, I loved it. The longer version will contain Sam stuff - and a slightly changed view of the show (or rather, it's clearer to me what they are doing now…)

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Comments

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

I am clearly wrong.

BUT

The one time you all fall in love with a Robbie episode! He is my favorite writer on the show and the one time everybody is so excited about an ep of his! ...

It was cool and nice, a good ep, just - like - it was - it lacked depth for me so I'm, like - go write me fic for this, it's a good basis ?

It was nice !


And I know I should never utter blasphemous concepts as this, but for all Felicia Day is AWESOME, it could have been good to get a bit more out of her acting, maybe.

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

Epic song choice at the end indeed, hee! ;D

[adrift-n-time.livejournal.com]

I'm so confused about what show is doing with Sam, so I'll be checking back later for your "Sam Stuff" I appreciated all the Sam pov we were treated to, but his choice of the word 'love' when it comes to the hunting life confused me more than anything. My Sam confusion aside, I loved the episode.

[antrazi.livejournal.com]

I really liked the episode but feel cheated because they cut the Dean workout scene...

[ash48.livejournal.com]

No such thing as wrong! How we react is true, never wrong (which is why I get hurt when fans begin to reject each other based on being "negative" about certain aspects of the show). We each have things we love about the show and not every episode can fill everybody's needs.

Robbie is very much the "fan" writer - he gives us what we "think" we want. In many cases it is what many want, but not all the time. Sam's explanation of last season's words to Dean have come from the fan's push for it. I'm not complaining because I have been desperate to hear Sam speak, but it also shattered a lot of idea (for me) of where they might be going with Sam. Still, better than the last 17 episodes of (mostly) silence.

But I hear ya! It's not all going to work for everybody…;)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

haha! The vid has resurfaced after that episode and I see on YT the first line is "for greyowl". :D

[ash48.livejournal.com]

There's two thoughts for Sam. 1- they still have no idea about him or where they are going with him to 2 - they had an idea and dropped it (due to fan reaction last season) and now have to rapidly rebuild Sam so he can do what ever he's going to do to save Dean. Personally, I think it's been a mess, but I do have some thoughts about why it's been a mess and why they're doing what they're doing now. Hope to get some thoughts down during the week. :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

There was a Dean workout scene?!?! CHEATED!!!!

[antrazi.livejournal.com]

That's why he was wearing a hoodie. Perhaps they put it in the deleted scenes? *hopeful*

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

. . . seriously? Fail, epic fail! D:

[antrazi.livejournal.com]

I know!

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

I wa kidding bout being wrong, though it does feel that way a bit.

I agree that Robbie tries to be in tune with fan, but I have more respect both for fans and for him. And I love how creative and unique his writing is, how much attention he puts into relationships and characters.

[frozen_delight]

I used to love Charlie very much, but I think that Robbie Thompson's lost his touch when it comes to writing the character - the first three Charlie eps were brilliant because of her, this one despite her being in it. Or so it seemed to me.

[frozen_delight]

Sam's explanation of last season's words to Dean have come from the fan's push for it. I'm not complaining because I have been desperate to hear Sam speak, but it also shattered a lot of idea (for me) of where they might be going with Sam.
Maybe you'd like to tell us more about that?
For me everything in the episode confirmed what I'd already thought about Sam's perspective. But then ever since Sam's development "clicked" for me in last season's finale I've been unable not to interpret everything in line with that, so maybe I'm just incapable of seeing his words in any other light.

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

was about to tell you that I loved your icon before I realized that I made it lol!

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

This is the second episode in a row that I've actually enjoyed so I'm a little flummoxed myself lol! Maybe my standards are just getting lower at this point :P

Berens' episode is next week and it looks good so I think we might get three enjoyable episodes in a row before they ruin it again. I had lunch with him last week while he was visiting NYC (he's completely adorable)

[frozen_delight]

Your icons are always so amazing! <3

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

<3333

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

to be fair (not that I ever want to be fair to my Arch Nemesis Jeremy Carver lol), Jared is the one that changed the line in the finale last year. Honestly? I feel like at this point in the show, Jared feels like Sam IS a hunter and is fine with it and wants to be with his brother, and was confused/unhappy by the direction Carver went with Amelia and that whole ~normal~ story. He's been pretty open about hating that story and wanting to get back to the brothers being their messy codependent selves (J2 character bleed is strong, we know this lol #boathouse)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I've (nearly) always loved Robbie's episodes. I think he does have a good understanding of the characters and the SPN universe. I thought he did a great job of giving us Sam's pov, resolve Cas's grace, add to Charlie's storyline and move the MoC story along. Not an easy task.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Maybe you'd like to tell us more about that?

Haha1 I'm going to try. Once I get a chance to write down some thoughts. :)

I thought I understood Sam's perspective until the end of S9 finale and then it was all shot to hell with his "I lied" line. I know that was Jared's so it massively confuses where I thought they were taking him in S9. I think they've had to do a re-set because of that and in some ways that episode was a fix-it for what happened last season (well, an attempt at it anyway). Unfortunately it doesn't address Dean's role in what happened so I'm still hoping they'll address that at some point (though I think it's mostly been forgotten now).

Hopefully I'll be better able to articulate some of that later. ;)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

true that!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

exactly. They were going one way - which was going to be massively difficult but potentially epic - and due to a number of things (not least, I suspect, the hate Sam/Jared received last season) it's been turned around. I prefer this version (well, sort of) but wish they had had the guts to see that direction (which I thought was about "same circumstances, I wouldn't") though to a good conclusion. In the meantime, we are back on the "do the bad thing to save the other brother" treadmill, so next season we should see Sam paying the price for his about-to-be, epic mistake. BUT - it's all about the codependency and that in itself continues create all the FEEEEEEEEELLLLSSSS!!! (just for you…;D).

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hold up! You had lunch with Berens?? WHAT?! Damn, I bet you tweeted about this and I missed it (been very absent lately). So wow. Did you chat SPN or just general other chatting stuff?! How awesome. It's totally envious of course.

And yeah, 2 very enjoyable episodes in a row and really looking forward to the next one. It feels like they are hitting their stride with the season. I'm excited about that and really hope it keeps the momentum as it heads toward the finale.

[citrusjava.livejournal.com]

Agreed
though I (also?) wish they'd used or left more open the interpretation of being possessed and body autonomy, PTSD etc