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Nov. 19th, 2015 09:05 pmHello old time SPN! I know we all say that when we get a "classic" MoTW episode, but that did have a lot of of classic SPN about it. It was highly enjoyable, with a solid mystery and some great secondary characters.
Great to see Donna again (how awesome is it that some characters appear once and really hit a chord and return? Of course, the fear is they'll one day be killed off, but I'm not even going to think about that). I particularly love the connection she has with Sam and Dean. And it's extra happy making that she brings out the dork in Dean.
The masks were super creepy and I love it when show is creepy! They even managed to revisit poor Sam's fear of clowns (even though it seems so weird that after everything he's been through he's still scared of clowns ;D). I thought it was just a throw-away moment until the woman at the end talks about fear:
"Fear makes you do nothing, or worse, it makes you do something you'll regret".
It was a nice tie into Sam's (almost trivial) fear of clowns to his current very deep fear of the the cage. And the idea that he could do "nothing" (which isn't actually in Sam's vocab) or do something he could regret, is very telling. It's building up to be quite a storyline for Sam this season it seems (yay).
Dean characterisation continues to be curious. This was a much softer Dean (and convinces me that he's not at all soulless), but there's still a little something there. I actually think it's fear as well. Whereas Sam is being quite forthcoming telling Dean about his fears, Dean has continued to keep it to himself. And as much as I'd love Dean to open up as well, it's very much his character to keep it to himself (though *shakes* him. Sam will understand Dean!!).
I'm glad that Dean's "brushing off" of Sam's fears in "Baby" was addressed in this episode. Now that he knows what Sam is actually seeing he seems more concerned. Though he continues to be pissed at "God" (and I don't blame him). Though it makes us wonder if there might be something else going on there (with his connection to The Darkness). We'll see. Though, it does make me worry about Sam being in God's corner and Dean in Amara's and we are heading another major confrontation. This episode was about sibling conflict - AND we are reminded that Michael and Lucifer as still in cage - which is also about sibling conflict. Let's hope it's more about Sam and Dean rising ABOVE the rivalry.
I wonder where Cas was? Not that I care all that much, but after last week's episode it seemed odd that he wasn't even mentioned - aside from the research he had done. He didn't appear to still be in Sam's room - so maybe another room in the bunker? One has to assume I suppose.
So yeah, solid MoTW ep with theme connections to the myth arc. Some great secondary character and, let's be honest, the boys (men!) where damn hot! (I'm so damn grateful that horrid bob is gone. Sam is looking killer!).
Poll! 5 = awesome! 1 = nope.
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Date: 2015-11-19 01:32 pm (UTC)I also had some problems with the story itself. I wish they hadn't used child molestation as a theme. They wanted to have the ghost be somewhat sympathetic, so they ended up discounting the charges. They flat out state that those men were lying or wrong about the uncle, but IRL, it was their kids making the charges and I'm less than happy that a really important real life issue got handled badly. I just wish SPN would steer away from social issues.
I also had minor problems with the Donna other sheriff story. Women get to decide they aren't interested in a certain man for whatever reason and shouldn't be told that they should give him a chance because he seems like a nice guy. And yes, they get to do it for shallow reasons as well as "good ones".
Dean's monitoring of Sam's praying was in character and managed to annoy me. Sam's not asking Dean to believe, he's doing what he needs to find comfort and try to find answers. Reason 1672 why I wish they left God as an actual being out of the world of Supernatural.
All in all this was a pretty good MOTW with some problems, IMHO,
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Date: 2015-11-19 01:49 pm (UTC)I agree it looks like this is what is being set up...except while Sam thinks his visions are from God, I think there's a strong possibility they are from someone else--Lucifer? And that would be an interesting play out, Sam on Lucifer's side and Dean on Amara's...which brother would be supporting the 'bad guy' then?
But really I hope that since show has already done the boys on opposite sides to death, that your hope will happen, that they work together to overcome the evil.
Also interesting is that Sam is being pretty open about his visions and his fear of what they mean while Dean is hiding his fear of his link to Amara...Sam, in character, is trying to live up to their new 'open communication' policy while Dean is being Dean...
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Date: 2015-11-19 04:43 pm (UTC)Sam and clowns will never not be funny.
I didn't have a problem with Donna/Doug/the guys. Sam did the same thing with the boy-witch in "Swap Meat". As in encouraging him to go get 'er.
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Date: 2015-11-19 08:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2015-11-20 01:29 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2015-11-20 02:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2015-11-20 05:14 am (UTC)It was a nice tie into Sam's (almost trivial) fear of clowns to his current very deep fear of the the cage. And the idea that he could do "nothing" (which isn't actually in Sam's vocab) or do something he could regret, is very telling.
Oooh. Brilliant catch! And seeing as how the final scene made it pretty apparent that Sam would be doing his own thing -- even if that included returning to the Cage -- I really think you're onto something here. Brava!
I neither missed Castiel nor wondered where he was. It felt so good to see original!SPN back on the screen, I did not care a whit.
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Date: 2015-11-20 01:06 pm (UTC)So that makes it hard to be totally objective with this one, the subject matter also had me on edge. The parallels were well drawn though and I am enjoying the brothers again this season, there's a lot of ribbing and a depth to their humour that seems to have the opportunity to be more, or might not be more, which is more interesting than bland banter for the sake of the 'funny' moment, time will tell how I'll call it in the end.
I'm just enormously grateful they didn't call out Harvey and the Pooka... Hehe.
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Date: 2015-11-20 01:13 pm (UTC)I love seeing Donna on screen, her smile and dimples are infectious and it seems to rub off on the brothers too, which I love (and not thinking about a possible demise either! NO!) I don't know why but the death of the bunny guy felt more hard hitting than usual. I'm not sure it was because of Donna's reaction of an innocents passing, or just me. But yeah, I really felt for him and it gave me unexpected feels.
Yes, I too felt that the words of Chester's sister about fear at the end were important; Is this about Sam facing his fears about the cage? Or Dean 'doing nothing' and his fears of the Darkness? Not sure, but it feels significant, and I hope it's leading to something awfully brilliant.
I adored the whole scene in the car at the end, if felt so season 1 to me, with Dean telling Sam not to worry about his then 'death visions'. I also like the reminder of Sam's faith, another nod to old season.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts :)
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