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[ash48]

So. They did it again. Maybe it wouldn't truly be Supernatural if they didn't kill off some beloved characters (or even un-loved characters) somewhere in the season. So much for making a vid at the end of the season for all those characters who survived. So far I have Bobby and Rufus.

I cried. I admit it. Particularly being a mother of a daughter who looks like a younger version of Jo (well, she's blond and innocent looking!). I actually really felt that scene. Though I don't usually like being manipulated to tears quite as much as that (I hated "Marley & Me" for that very reason)- but I accepted it because at least Show gave them a sending off. Not a sudden, you're dead! (Like poor Ash and many others).

Cas is growing on me bit by bit. I liked him in this. And I loved Lucifer. Mark P. friggin' oozes that charisma and he totally sells Lu for me. I liked that we really got to see some of his nastiness. Ooh and his decaying vessel. I can just imagine how awful that must be for the host.

And Sam and Dean? Oh boys. They are still at odds with each other aren't they. Though at least they were able to share a smile about it. I figure they (Show) need to keep their relationship unresolved so they have something to work with at the end of the season. It's all I can imagine. Gone are those moments of great concern when one on them is hurt. When was the last time we actually saw that? Dean's death end of season 3? Though I am glad that Sam at least checked his pulse. (yes, yes... I live for those bro!moments. It's what makes this show so special).

Oh and I'm sorry. I couldn't by wooby, panic stricken Dean. He's concerned, I get that but this is a man who's been to hell, who's fought god knows how many monsters, lost many loved ones and was very recently the man who kept his game head on in Good God Y'all when Sam was in peril. Or am I being too hard? Maybe this was a moment for Bobby and Dean to share a kinda father and son bonding moment? .... Nah. I'm not sure I can buy that just yet. I would love to have seen both of them harden to the situation, show how professional they are and then maybe have a brief glimpse of their inner turmoil.

I enjoyed this ep though. Great to see Show close the 4th wall and show us a hunt and some cool shots (LOVED reaper shots). And something about having a cross roads on an underpass?! Yeah, that was cool.

And I LOVED seeing Ellen and Jo again. Just when fandom seems to have warmed to them (I think), they get rid of them. A shame.

R.I.P Ellen & Jo. :( Think you might need your own special vid. <3

Comments

[ruby-jelly.livejournal.com]

"a cross roads on an underpass?! Yeah, that was cool. " I concur! Think I even said so, aloud, here, alone, sheee! I liked the link to current banking crisis!

Funnily enough, Dean finding it hard to tell Bobby felt real to me. It was more than his loss to experience, and having to say it aloud made it real. Also showed his acceptance of involvement of others in the war, not just "family business" (don't remember which ep he said that, years ago!) I liked seeing Dean pull back into himself and resume being the soldier.

I really, REALLY, liked Ellen and even the re-modelled Jo, especially when she handed it to Dean. Damn show, I'd like some recurring women roles without the silliness of forced romantic interests! Hated them playing Dean as a moron, with his stuttered come-back. He may not be smooth, but he is intelligent, street smart, combat savy - oops, fangirl showing!!! lol!

[varkelton]

Yeah, I gotta agree with the Dean thing, although, I don't think I would have noticed so much if they hadn't had Sam barely reacting at all. Both boy's reactions seemed off to me last night...

[greenpear.livejournal.com]

I think this show just slipped past me when I had too much going on in my life. And with things still going strongly I may never get to watch it.

Only so much time in the world...

[sunnysideeggers.livejournal.com]

Seeing your journal title, I couldn't help myself. I needed to read. Last night's episode was.... wow. I don't think it has all sunk in yet. Only that feeling of dread, yah know? Like it could really be the end. It seems like they only brought Jo and Ellen back to kill them; though I don't mean that in a nasty way. I know there were tons of comments floating about as to what happened to Jo and Ellen after season 2. After all, they had seemingly dropped off the face of the earth.

Castiel is becoming a bit...of a badass lol. Can't wait to see where his character arch goes. Could be mighty interesting.

I am worried for Bobby though... I must admit. -crosses fingers- Here's to hoping.

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

I thought Dean's general tone throughout the hardware store scene was spot on, when I take into account that he was completely and utterly activated and in PTSD mode (well, tee-vee hero version thereof) by the hellhounds. Jensen's acting choices made perfect sense to me. The way he was triggered by the hellhounds was extremely well done and a big part of what made all that followed so emotional for me.

I was soooo relieved at the firm fourth-wall closure. It was a strong ep, and I'm struggling with its genderfail aspects. I can't say that killing Jo and Ellen, per se, is misogynistic, but it was sure of a piece with the long arc of female sacrifice in the show, and I no longer know what to make of it.

As a standalone scene, however, it was very moving and yes, tear-jerking and emotionally manipulative, and I loved it.

[ancastar.livejournal.com]

I've actually got an idea for an Ellen/Jo vid. I wasn't sure if there would be enough interest in it. But with their wonderful, tragic end, maybe so.

I loved last night's episode. It worked like gangbusters for me. I actually liked Dean breaking down. He does it with Bobby, who at this point is really the only one he can do it with. I think he feels like he needs to stay in control with Sam, both to buck him up and because some part of him still needs to feel in control where Sam is concerned.

We didn't get to see much in the way of brother to brother angst. But Sam did seem stricken when Dean was slammed into the tree and he did check his pulse. And I figure the big emotional guns are being held in check until closer to the finale.

What I found interesting was the way they revisited the tension between the two bros. That little "Sam is having doubts about demons. Hmm." moment wasn't just playful snark. Dean isn't over everything yet. Which he shouldn't be. However, the show has been neglecting that arc for awhile now. I'm glad they didn't drop it entirely.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I'd like some recurring women roles without the silliness of forced romantic interests!

Yeah - and really these 2 characters had the potential to do this. Jo and Dean have always been skirting around a relationship and with Jo's comeback I thought we might be in for some fun with them in the future - in that Jo could be there as more than just a romantic interest to Dean. They finally gave these 2 characters some"meat" and then they got rid on them. I just don't understand why they have to die, they could just "go away" like they did for 2 seasons. That way, they could always bring them back if they needed or wanted to.

I wonder if killing every body they love or get close to is part of the overall arc, and maybe plays a role in the future. Probably nit.

And Amen to Dean being, once again, shown up to be a "moron". Why do they keep doing that to him? I figure for laughs... but really? Dean is smoother than that I agree.

oops, fangirl showing!!! lol!

Hee! I think my fangirl was showing too! \o/ :D

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I don't think I would have noticed so much if they hadn't had Sam barely reacting at all

Yeah. What was that all about? Sam seemed very distant from Dean in this one... Sometimes I felt they weren't on the set at the same time or something I wonder if they were giving each of them a rest. That seems weird but it crossed my mind a couple of times. Especially when Dean was laying on the ground and Sam knelt down to him. It was unusual not to get a shot of Dean at that point. I reckon he wasn't even there....

Yeah - it was Ellen and Jo's show last night I felt. Maybe even Lu's and Crowley's. They were the stand out performances for me. But our boys will have had a much needed break for the next eps, so hopefully we'll see the result of that.

:)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee! Unfortunately (well fortunately probably) I am well and truly hooked. I adore the show even when I grumble about it. I mean there is no doubt it is flawed, but I am totally into these characters (that is until they kill them off!!) and I just adore watching the boys...

I wouldn't have discovered the joy of vidding without this show...:)

xx

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi there. I'm glad you popped in to read. :) I don't often write ep reactions, but I had a few things to get off my chest last night and it seemed like a good place to off load. :)

I am feeling a particular sense of dread actually. I keep thinking there is no way this can end badly, but I just don't trust that it won't. We were given the best indication yet that there will be a "show down" in months - Lu saying Sam will be in Detroit in 6 months... *eep* It could get bad.

Can't wait to see where his character arch goes

Yeah me too. At times I feel like they don't quite know what to do with him. I think his popularity has taken the makers by surprise and they have had to give him more of a story. I look forward to seeing where that goes.

Oh and if they kill off Bobby, I think Kripke may have a fan riot on his hands....

Thanks for popping in! :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

The way he was triggered by the hellhounds was extremely well done and a big part of what made all that followed so emotional for me.

Ah yes. This is a good point. I have to say I didn't make that connection - maybe seeing the hell hounds again really threw him and then to see Jo ripped apart like he had been... I have to say then, I wish Sam had had the same reaction - as in being as terrified. After all he's also witnessed what they can do. I would love to have seen him blast into them the way Jo did...

but it was sure of a piece with the long arc of female sacrifice in the show, and I no longer know what to make of it.

Yeah - it's getting more and more obvious. It's such a shame really because they could have really turned the tide on all that by keeping these 2, strong, female characters. It seemed to me like they were heading that way...giving them more "meat" as it were, but then they just had to go and destroy that. *head scratch* I wonder if we'll ever find out why they feel such a need to keep killing off major characters...? Especially out sassy women. Though Tamara's still around. I wonder if they'll re-introduce her?

it was very moving and yes, tear-jerking and emotionally manipulative, and I loved it.

Oh yes. I love a good cry and SPN often brings me to tears. This one possibly the most. I just adored Ellen and I think I was bawling more because I knew these characters were leaving us. But the acting was very believable and I thought, on the whole, those scenes were the most powerful in the episode.

I really didn't mind it. It was great to see them back to the myth arc. And now we've got the long, looooonnnnng wait unti the next one. *sigh*

xx

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

Lots of time for fanworks! \o/

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I've actually got an idea for an Ellen/Jo vid. I wasn't sure if there would be enough interest in it. But with their wonderful, tragic end, maybe so.

Oh yes. I would say so. Now that there story is "complete", as it were, it opens up all sorts of vidding opportunities I reckon. (I hope you do it).

You make a good point about Dean not breaking down in front of Sam. (Even more so this season after Sam's comments about him being "weak" last season). And I do think he can totally do this with Bobby - especially as their bond has grown very strong recently. A comment was made above about Dean being thrown because of the hell hounds and all the memories that entails - which I can understand as well. I suppose I just felt like something was "off" during those bits, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

And I figure the big emotional guns are being held in check until closer to the finale.

Yeah. I figure the same too. I mean, we know how much they mean to each other, I suppose they don't have to keep hammering that home to us. I actually liked the "I'm good" comments to each other before they faced Lu. After everything they'd been through what did they have left to say? (I mean the could have given us a hug of course!! *G*)

Dean isn't over everything yet. Which he shouldn't be.

Yeah - there's a lot for him to get over I know. Though, I suppose I wish he could be a little more understanding of Sam. I mean, he has every reason to be angry with him, but I think Sam is feeling every bit as bad. Oh boys!

Now we just have to wait until next year.... *heavy sigh*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Indeed! That could be one of the best things about the hiatus! :D

[starrylizard.livejournal.com]

I would have been less upset if they killed Bobby. I've never actually bonded with the Bobby character in the way I instantly warmed to Ellen. But somehow I just knew they'd be got rid of and I'm at least happy it was in a really awe-inspiring "Wow they are awesome actors" kinda way. Be interested in how this goes after the hiatus.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I would have been less upset if they killed Bobby.

*GASP* Blasphemer!! :D

Actually, I've had my ups and downs with Bobby, but mostly ups.

But yeah. I definitely bonded with Ellen. She's always been one of my favs (I think I even had her as my icon at SVS when I was a mod there). I figured they'd have to go ('cause show wouldn't be show if they didn't), but I really hoped they wouldn't. :(

I love that they got the chance to really show us their stuff - it really did bring me to tears. But it also made me realise what we will be missing out on in the future....

And YAY! Icon. I almost used this one when I posted this, but worried about spoilers at the time! So I can use it now! :D

Though.... *sniff* Gals. :(

[varkelton]

Huh, interesting. I'll have to go and re-watch that scene now...

And yeah, I still have high hopes for the rest of the season. If I just think positively, I know they'll give me boy hugging before the season is over, right?

[yourlibrarian]

I hated "Marley & Me" for that very reason

I hated Marley and Me for a lot of reasons! But yes, that ending was drawn out and manipulative.

Think you might need your own special vid. <3

I concur :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I remember sitting through Marley and Me and bawling my eyes out (yes, I was a total sook), but hating the makers for being so manipulative and drawing it out forever. I don't mind crying in movies but I was sobbing saying "enough already!". It's an awful film.

I have a feeling there will be lots of Jo and Ellen vids come out of this.... I have a little something planned (I think), but it will be more celebratory I hope.


xx

[yourlibrarian]

I actually didn't shed a single tear in that film. I was constantly irritated by the way the couple never seemed to take charge of their life anymore than they did of Marley. And then to have the necklace brought back at the end made me want to throw something at the screen given that he gave her both that AND the dog in order to shut her up about what she wanted out of their relationship. Just ugh. I think the fact that it was based on a true story is what made it worse for me. If it had just been an outright comedy with buffoon characters I probably would have just rolled my eyes instead.