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ash48I'm still holidaying on the Central Coast of NSW. Best holiday I've had in ages. Angst free and very relaxing.
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ruby_jelly. So nice to meet someone as mad as me. (Ha! She's awesome...*g* ) Great to chat about the show on common ground - rather than trying to convince someone else how additive and amazing the show is.
Though we did ponder something we couldn't answer. Maybe someone can shed some light...
What was YED's overall plan in the scheme of....well...everything?? As in, if it was always the 5 year plan of Kripke's for Sam to become Lucifer's vessel and Dean to become Michael's how did the YED gathering "special children" feature into this? Was the YED preparing Sam (or potentially another special child) for this role? Or was YED a completely different story arc that didn't feature in Sam's final "destiny"?
I haven't read much on Kripke's ideas from the very beginning. I know he wasn't keen on the Special Children story line (nor The Roadhouse) and killed that idea off at the end of S2 but did he every talk about how the YED's story line feature in Lucifer's??
In many ways the YED is still important because Meg is his daughter. So the connection is still very strong. I wonder if there is a lot more to Meg then really mets the eye (man, I hope so! That would be awesome...)
Also...
I'm thinking if Sam scratches at the "wall" instead of Sam going nuts- tearing his psyche apart, which I think is the suggestion - we'll see an emergence of Demon!Sam.
Show keeps giving us glimpses and suggestions of Evil!Sam (I think because Jared plays it very well...) , but never really going to whole way. So I'm thinking this might be a chance to really give us a full on Evil!Sam. After 120 years in hell is soul may have turned. (How long did Ruby say it takes to turn evil? Was it 300 years? Maybe Sam turned quicker because he already had a potentially darker side...)
I HOPE NOT!! I really, really don't want to see a fully blown evil!Sam. I know a lot of fans (some fans??) would like that and it could make for some interesting television (true Sam v Dean) but I DO. NOT. WANT.
I get very upset seeing Sam doing mean things (like lock that demon!girl in the car boot in 5.22) and that smirk will forever kill me... :(
But I have a feeling that this is what they might do because I can't see them making Sam go "mad" (though that would be interesting too..). Nor do I see them return the bros back to their status quo (whatever that is these days..). Maybe initially we'll have some run of the mill saving people hunting things and Sam will be fine on the surface but underneath something will be stirring... methinks... EVOL!
I am unspoiled for future eps so that's purely speculation. Nor have I read much. So that might be what everyone is thinking anyway..
Can you tell I'm in the mood for some show chat?! I think meeting RJ stirred that up and also I AM MISSING MY SHOW!!
Met up with the lovely
ruby_jelly. So nice to meet someone as mad as me. (Ha! She's awesome...*g* ) Great to chat about the show on common ground - rather than trying to convince someone else how additive and amazing the show is.Though we did ponder something we couldn't answer. Maybe someone can shed some light...
What was YED's overall plan in the scheme of....well...everything?? As in, if it was always the 5 year plan of Kripke's for Sam to become Lucifer's vessel and Dean to become Michael's how did the YED gathering "special children" feature into this? Was the YED preparing Sam (or potentially another special child) for this role? Or was YED a completely different story arc that didn't feature in Sam's final "destiny"?
I haven't read much on Kripke's ideas from the very beginning. I know he wasn't keen on the Special Children story line (nor The Roadhouse) and killed that idea off at the end of S2 but did he every talk about how the YED's story line feature in Lucifer's??
In many ways the YED is still important because Meg is his daughter. So the connection is still very strong. I wonder if there is a lot more to Meg then really mets the eye (man, I hope so! That would be awesome...)
Also...
I'm thinking if Sam scratches at the "wall" instead of Sam going nuts- tearing his psyche apart, which I think is the suggestion - we'll see an emergence of Demon!Sam.
Show keeps giving us glimpses and suggestions of Evil!Sam (I think because Jared plays it very well...) , but never really going to whole way. So I'm thinking this might be a chance to really give us a full on Evil!Sam. After 120 years in hell is soul may have turned. (How long did Ruby say it takes to turn evil? Was it 300 years? Maybe Sam turned quicker because he already had a potentially darker side...)
I HOPE NOT!! I really, really don't want to see a fully blown evil!Sam. I know a lot of fans (some fans??) would like that and it could make for some interesting television (true Sam v Dean) but I DO. NOT. WANT.
I get very upset seeing Sam doing mean things (like lock that demon!girl in the car boot in 5.22) and that smirk will forever kill me... :(
But I have a feeling that this is what they might do because I can't see them making Sam go "mad" (though that would be interesting too..). Nor do I see them return the bros back to their status quo (whatever that is these days..). Maybe initially we'll have some run of the mill saving people hunting things and Sam will be fine on the surface but underneath something will be stirring... methinks... EVOL!
I am unspoiled for future eps so that's purely speculation. Nor have I read much. So that might be what everyone is thinking anyway..
Can you tell I'm in the mood for some show chat?! I think meeting RJ stirred that up and also I AM MISSING MY SHOW!!
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Date: 2011-01-04 06:21 am (UTC)My take on it: Lucifer told Azazel to get onto recruiting Special Children. I think the strongest was going to be the one to open the Devil's gate and elad the demons in breaking the seasl, free Lucifer and then be his vessel. Some of the plan had to be kept secret bc presumably Lilith wouldnt have been too keen on being killed, rather than ruling post-Apocalypse with Lucifer.
I don't think Meg was literally Azazel's daughter, i think that was just terms they used (or kinky shit they had going on).
I am unsure of where they'll go with Sam this season: bad or mad seem like the options!
Anyway i've rambled enough. Obviously I need some RL fangirl time to get this out of my system!
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Date: 2011-01-04 08:26 am (UTC)I think your take makes sense, especially re Lilith.
I don't think Meg was literally Azazel's daughter
oh. I've been thinking of it literally, especially the way YED said to Dean "you think you're the only one who has a family". But it might be more as a "family of demons". Maybe Alistair would have considered Dean one of his "sons" if he has succeeded in turning him into a fully fledged demon. I can go with that.
Obviously I need some RL fangirl time to get this out of my system!
I love me some RL fangirl time. Nothing like nutting out the deeps of our show. I wish I could have more of it. I keep trying to convert my friends...
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