What's the story?
Oct. 26th, 2011 09:41 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ash48I know. Two posts in the space of moments. I've had a craptastic day of craptastic proportions so it seems like a cure or something.
So. Bobby. What's going on? I've had a couple of discussions and I've seen some theories.
I feel a poll is required to settle this once and for all. (well, for the moment anyway...*g*)
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So. Bobby. What's going on? I've had a couple of discussions and I've seen some theories.
I feel a poll is required to settle this once and for all. (well, for the moment anyway...*g*)
[Poll #1789857]
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-26 02:10 pm (UTC)I did toy with "Too hard basket"..
But yeah. So hard to know. I hate to think they've screwed up, or just made Bobby able to cope. I really want something else dun dun duuuunnnnn.
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:08 pm (UTC)Methinks the writers just don't want him front row and center right now....which actually works for me. The boys depend on him too much.
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:23 pm (UTC)So I'm going to take heed now. *g* That they don't want him front and centre works for me. Though I think it's a cop out that they didn't do more with the loss of his house and have addressed where he actually was during the burning of his house. He was heading back there after all...
Arghhh... I don't know. I figure it's nothing and yet there's this niggling....
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:35 pm (UTC)And lol, about my soulless Sam statement! I'm impressed you remember. I definitely think the house reaction was a cop-out. I just think the writers are less concerned with how it impacts Bobby than how it impacts Sam and Dean.
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:48 pm (UTC)I can't buy at all that he's a leviathan because he's had too many opportunities to end the boys if that's what they wanted.
Lol.. I remember because you were my voice of reason. :)
But yeah. I get that show is about the boys' reactions to stuff rather than Bobby's.... *sigh*. I mean, they gave us pretty good reaction to him being in a wheelchair and the loss of his wife etc. and yet they've skimmed over this.
*head scratch* I will probably accept it if it turns out this way, but I'd love it if they'd thought beyond this.
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:27 pm (UTC)When I first saw him, I thought 'Leviathan! Hobble, Dean! Hobble! Hit it with a crutch!' But ... well, that doesn't make much sense with what we know of the Leviathans. They're pragmatists who are still learning about the world - and eager to eliminate opposition.
I can construct scenarios where it might make sense for him to be a Leviathan - they could be using Sam and Dean as lab rats, setting one agent to persecute them and another to watch them to see what hunters do, which would at least be in line with the kind of American Gods-style long con that Supernatural favours ... but if they actually had Bobby you'd think they'd want to press their advantage and just run through his list of contacts while no one had any idea how to fight them.
And if he's something else, then ... what? Something else that got out of purgatory?
But then again, the whole set up that placed him at home when the Leviathans attacked seems too good to waste ...
At the moment I think I have to go with 'continuity glitch', as the simplest explanation, but really I just lack reasonable evidence. I need more data! Hurry up, episodes! :)
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Date: 2011-10-26 02:59 pm (UTC)I could (maybe) go with him being an infiltrator of sorts. Get the mighty Winchesters on side etc. Find their weakness etc. But ...nah. Seems far fetched. Even for SPN.
I'm thinking continuity also. Being the first ep to be shot. Though it disappoints me that it wasn't considered. That no one said...what about Bobby and a moment to consider his house, memories, belongings etc.
But then again. We live in the "real" world and they live in a 'verse that is pretty inconceivable.
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Date: 2011-10-26 10:07 pm (UTC)I also thought this was a little strange, though like you say perhaps not evidence that he wasn't Bobby.
The other thing I thought was a bit strange was that the spell he gave Dean for killing the witches didn't work because they didn't chill the chicken feet. Was that an honest mistake on Bobby's part? Did Bobby tell them about it, but Sam and Dean couldn't do it because of the power problems (which as far as we know didn't extend to the motel)? Or something more sinister?
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Date: 2011-10-26 03:00 pm (UTC)I don't think the Leviathans have adjusted so well to be able to pass for Bobby yet. Even though the main dude has Cas's thoughts and knowledge, he was missing plenty of info about Bobby too. I wouldn't rule anything else out. I hope it's just the writing and Sam and Dean aren't forced to go after him. I think that would knock the last pin out of whatever is holding Dean together. It would take a lot of the fun out of the show for me if he were to go. I've seen speculation that he's God, and just...no.
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Date: 2011-10-26 03:18 pm (UTC)If it's nothing then it would have been nice to at least had a nod to what actually happened. I reckon the writer's know that the fan base is invested in Bobby so would want some sort of explanation.
Or, they're deliberately left it alone to build up to something else.
Hee... God? Really? I think we've gone beyond that now. They never answered the question about God which I think works just fine.
We shall see I suppose. (And YES... they CAN NOT LOSE BOBBY! That would be the last straw. I gotta say though.. I wouldn't put it past them...
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Date: 2011-10-26 03:45 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's what has me worried, especially if this turns out to be the last season. Aargh!
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Date: 2011-10-26 04:01 pm (UTC)Edited because I shut down my brain before choosing the right icon. :P
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:03 pm (UTC)xx
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Date: 2011-10-26 04:01 pm (UTC)I would really like there to be something, a real deep exciting plot twist I could never imagine, but I'm way past hoping, done that, didn't even get a T shirt, so I'm just along for the ride on most episodes now...although I kind of wonder if a tiny bit of Cas is left around in Bobby? They did soul!meld...but mostly I try not to think about it.
Anyway, I'm sorry you had another craptastic day hon, that's exhausting, hope things look up soon. ♥
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:07 pm (UTC)And YES! The more I think about it the less likely there is some hidden plot twist. Great if there was... but, yeah. Nah.
We shall see I suppose. :D
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Date: 2011-10-26 07:45 pm (UTC)I also think he was tormenting Dean last week when he asked 'Dean who?' That would be his sense of humor. Especially if after Bobby answered, Dean went 'Bobby?' as if it could have been anyone else :P LOL!
I wouldn't read too much into it. They really don't use Bobby that much and his reactions are only shown to us when it suits what they want to talk about at the time. I was surprised to see him as much as we have.
And maybe I'm still bitter about his 'Dean being his favorite' comment and don't care where he is :P I don't want someone around who has an obvious fave :P LOL!!!
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:11 pm (UTC)I also agree that the "Dean Who" was his sense of humour. I actually loved that line. It's very Bobby actually. :)
Ooooh and I missed the "Dean being his favourite" comment. Ouch. That sucks. I mean. :koff: how can Sammy not be everyone's favourite?!
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:43 pm (UTC)And exactly - LOL! Well, no I don't expect that Sam would be his favorite but I had always thought he really didn't have a favorite between them. And that he had favorite things about each boy but not that one, over the other, was his favorite. But apparently I was wrong...
And the show does not help since they seem to love to give Dean and Bobby those father-son moments (kinda how they loved to run 'those' kind of comments and moments between Dean and Cas).
I get that Dean needs someone to confide in and turn to, besides Sam, but isn't that the same with Sam?
Who does he turn to since it would appear his relationship with Bobby does not have a 'secret' closeness like Dean and Bobby's does?
There has to be times Sam needs to talk to someone about Dean - someone who is worried about him (other than Dean) - like Bobby worries about Dean when Dean is expressing his concerns about Sam. I guess I have just never gotten why that dichomety seems to be fine.
And that is me rambling :P
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Date: 2011-10-27 04:06 am (UTC)You make a good point about Sam not having someone else to go to, other than Dean. I'm wondering if this is what has made him so strong (as in beating halucifer). He knows he only has himself to rely on so just gets on and does it. Dean is needier (in terms of needing to be accepted) and therefore is finding it harder to resolve his lingering (guilt and self esteem) issues.
I think there was a recent ep where Bobby and Sam had a bit of a bonding scene. But yeah... there's certainly more between Dean and Bobby.
I know that the Cas and Sam moments were few and far between. I'd love there to have been more because I think Sam had a natural connection to him (believing in angels the way he has always done). Shame they didn't explore that a little more.
Eeepp... there I go..:)
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Date: 2011-10-27 04:23 am (UTC)Yah... the whole 'many angels don't like you, Sam' always bothered me, and I had hoped that by the time the angels story line was done, something would have happened to have restored Sam's faith - and set things right with regards to that statement. There was some damage control done with Cas's views and relationship with Sam but then they dropped it again last season, and set up much more between Dean and Cas (probably to egg on the Cas and Dean shippers).
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:23 pm (UTC)At the very least I don't believe he's a Leviathan - that makes no sense whatsoever. Something is definitely off with him though, I just don't know whether that's us being overly suspicious, or we have every reason to be?
It's a bit of a snafu on the writers to leave plot points hanging though (ie. house burning down).
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Date: 2011-10-27 04:09 am (UTC)I know! They are so good at leaving these massive plot holes. Or leaving things unanswered and it's hard to know if it's deliberate or that they just didn't think it was worth making a big deal of it.
Each time we get a new episode I hope it will shed some answers. Usually it just creates more.
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Date: 2011-10-26 11:29 pm (UTC)I seriously have had ZERO thoughts in my head about Bobby's behavior even being remotely suspect. *sigh* seriously? He could be a leviathan? Oh come on now (said in Deans grumpiest youngest man voice ever). I mean I know there was talk about removing ALL the Winchesters go to sources for safety but surely Bobby's house is sufficient right?
And now I'm gonna be watching him suspiciously dammit. There I was all tra lalala about Bobby and well thank goodness he's there for the boys because with Sam hallucinating and dean alcoholating plus guilting and grumping they certainly need his nurturing ass kicking calming influence. But no. Now I'm gonna be giving him the squinty eyed glare of suspicion.
Is our show not stressfully intense enough people? Yeah the hits keep on coming but do ALL of them have to be nuclear sized? I've decided you all have a much too doom and gloom outlook on the Bobby front. I shall scrub my mind clean of this post, stick my fingers in my ears and go back to Tralalala-ing on the Bobby front. Those of you who are clearly suspicious? Carry on. More power to you and your epic stress level tolerance. I admit to being a baby and a wuss and will happily go play in the oblivious corner over here LOL!
Ta Ta my dears!
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Date: 2011-10-27 04:52 am (UTC)See... I keep seeing these little hints when people write stuff. Like... "well, once we find out what's wrong with Bobby" and "Something's off with Bobby"... and it starts to make my brain itch so of course I HAVE TO post about it.. :DDD
As soon as Bobby arrive at the hospital I was suspicious. Just couldn't help it. But I'm pretty sure it's nothing. Just...ack! I want more from his house being destroyed..
Hee... back to that corner you go. (Until we find out that there IS something wrong of course... *g*)
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Date: 2011-10-27 11:26 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-10-31 08:39 pm (UTC)Am I allowed to spoil episodes?
Date: 2011-10-28 12:15 pm (UTC)Re: Am I allowed to spoil episodes?
Date: 2011-10-30 03:10 am (UTC)Re: Am I allowed to spoil episodes?
Date: 2011-10-30 09:49 am (UTC)