Meta/Picspam: Hit Me With Your Best Shot
Apr. 26th, 2012 07:46 pmI recently made a vid of the Winchesters dueling and some of the responding comments got me thinking about all those moments the boys come to blows.
It's not often the Winchesters physically fight. So far, in 145 episodes, we've seen:
- 3 times he knocked Sam out (Asylum, You Can't Handle the Truth, Appointment in Samara) And in slightly different categories: * episodes where one or both brothers were something "other". Often these fights happen when they are either cursed or not entirely themselves. But not always. I want to take a closer look at these fights to examine when and why they occur. I also want to see who wins most often and what that reveals about our boys. |
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I love looking back at the pilot episode. So many themes are set up in such a short time: Dean saving Sam, Sam leaving Dean (for Stanford - seen twice in this episode) and the boys fighting. It's interesting that the very first time we see the boys together as adults they are attacking each other. It isn't as intense or as serious as the ones to come but I think it sets up the dynamic between the brothers beautifully. It's such a brotherly thing to do but it also reveals that these two know how to fight and that there's tension between them. Dean knows who he is up against here so it gives him the upper hand. Sam is, quite literally, in the dark about who he is fighting and therefore is taking it a lot more seriously. Dean "wins" (pins Sam down) before he gleefully reveals himself. We get the sense that Dean might be stronger or more skilled until Sam turns the tables and in one swift move pins Dean down. Sam hadn't lost his touch as Dean thought he might have. Throughout the series the physical confrontations often reveal an underlying mental struggle. Sometimes they are used to gain control of a situation, sometimes to express emotion. This clash foreshadows the future push-pull between the brothers - sometimes light-hearted, sometimes deadly serious. It's also worth noting that it is in this episode that we first witness Dean use physical aggression when he's angry. It's not a punch but he does shove Sam against the bridge railing when Sam hits a nerve by mentioning their mother. It's an early indicator of how Dean handles both Sam and his own emotions when things get too intense. Pushing, punching and fighting are all "acceptably masculine" ways of dealing and this becomes a recurring character trait for Dean. Later, Sam mirrors this action in Salvation when he slams Dean into a wall. We only get these two examples of wall slamming (unfortunately) but in both cases the boys are expressing emotions that don't exactly require a punch but rather push to say "you've gone too far". |
2. Skin (1.06)
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This is probably my favourite of all the physical encounters between the boys. Mostly because it's not actually a fight between Sam and Dean, but rather Sam and the MotW (a shapeshifter). It's also much deadlier than the previous one and allows us to see our favourite brothers in full-on combat mode. Shapeshifter!Dean has "downloaded" Dean's memories so we can assume that much of what we see here is actually how Dean would fight. Both boys seem to use a mix of "styles" - Sam putting his fists up as though boxing, using some karate-style kicks and taking advantage of any "available" weapons to hand (pool cue). They know each other's moves and it's from this scene we can assume the boys grew up sparring. Not!Dean says "Even when we were kids, I always kicked your ass". I know this is a taunt but it's not a far stretch to assume that Dean would probably have won most sparring matches between them. Dean's more experienced and until Sam's growth spurt (which must have come after he was 14) Dean would have been a lot bigger. Though we can see here that Sam has a few tricks of his own. It's interesting that Sam had to remind himself that this isn't really Dean he was fighting. You're not him. It's as though thinking that it could be Dean would mean he might not give it all he's got. And this is a fight to the death. It's also important for Sam to show the shapeshifter that he is not as vulnerable as his other victims were. Sam knows this isn't Dean, whereas the other victims were convinced their loved ones had turned on them. (It's curious that this becomes quite a strong issue later on between the brothers - the threat of them turning on each other.) Not!Dean wins this fight rather convincingly. Sam puts up a good fight but he is finally pinned to the floor and strangled before real!Dean comes to the rescue. I'm pretty sure shapeshifters are stronger than humans, which would count for the win. And Sam was on the back foot right from the outset - having been knocked out by the shapehshifter before the battle even began. There's a lot revealed about the brothers in this episode. Mostly Dean's jealousy of Sam having a chance at the "apple-pie" life. Sure, it's coming out of the mouth of a monster but I believe much of it is Dean's thoughts. This type of reveal is the start of a pattern of the boys expressing their inner thoughts to each other whilst not themselves. |
3. Asylum (1.10)
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I know this isn't a physical fight as such but I want to include it because it is rather revealing and a lovely counterpoint to the Skin episode. This time Sam has a chance to air his grievances. This isn't exactly not!Sam because it is him - though he is altered by Dr Ellicott's mind control. As with shapeshifter!Dean, Sam is able to voice his inner thoughts and feelings. He reveals that he's sick of following his brother's orders and is tired of Dean being a "good little soldier" - following their dad's orders without question. Sam fights by shooting his brother. It's drastic and opens up a rather large can of worms in regards to the "issues" they have with each other. I find it interesting that these two episodes reveal the brothers' capabilities to actually hurt each other when let loose. Dean ends up taking control of the situation by tricking Sam. Whereas Sam has "lost his mind," Dean has used his. Dean lands two solid blows to Sam's face to knock him out. It's the first time we actually see Dean forcefully hit Sam in the series. There's quite a bit of emotion tied up in that punch. Dean's just heard what Sam really thinks of him and even though Dean knows Sam isn't quite himself those words stung. The punches were also ones of necessity. Dean needed to knock Sam out to be able to kill the monster. I love his little apology to Sam after he knocks him out. |
4. Bloodlust (2.03)
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This punch is so awesome. Before you all yell at me, it's not "awesome" because Dean hits Sam, it's awesome because this is the first time we see Dean unleash his anger on Sam (unlike the punches in the previous episode which were more necessity than pure anger). It's awesome because it's the continuation of a pattern started in the Pilot - using force when pushed too far. As much as Dean is protective of his little brother he is not averse to putting a fist in his face when he's pissed with him. It's happened five times to date (not counting the two "necessity" punches). It's also interesting because Sam has never thrown a single pissed punch at Dean. This is part of their brother dynamic. Sam tends to walk or run away when pissed. Dean throws punches. It's so very Dean - it's physical, immediate and explosive. It's also a big brother thing. Just something about big brothers whaling on little brothers. Each time Sam receives a pissed-off punch from Dean he literally takes it on the chin. He doesn't retaliate. Sam verbally pushes Dean, sure. Here, he almost wills Dean to lash out at him. Get rid of some of that pent up hurt and anger over John's death. I get the feeling Sam knows this is how Dean deals and this probably isn't the first punch he's received. |
5. Born Under a Bad Sign (2.14)
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This is a rather wonderful brotherly tussle. They are pretty frustrated with each other by this point but they don't actually throw any punches. It seems perfectly right that they would wrestle like this and it makes me think that they probably did a lot of this kind of wrestling growing up. As all brothers do, I suspect. You have to think that Sam would win this just on size alone, but Dean has a few sneak moves up his sleeve so I think they are evenly matched. Also - wrestling! \o/ |
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This encounter is very short but worth mentioning as it wonderfully mirrors the Pilot tussle between the boys. It's another instance where one brother is something "other" (alternative universe!Sam) and serves to show us that without a hunting upbringing the boys would not be able to fight like they do now. I love Dean's line "That was so easy, I'm embarassed for you." |
8. Metamorphosis (4.04)
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This battle is the result of a lot of underlying distrust. Sure, the boys are cursed (or rather poisoned) but as with Skin and Asylum some truths come out. This is a painful fight to watch because even though they are acting under the spell of the succubus they are voicing some real grievances. It seems they have to be something "other" in order to say what's really on their minds. It's a shame they don't (or can't) hear each other. Neither of them is in a caring or sharing mood at this time. So what they are saying is more for us. It's a device the show uses to good effect, I think. I like that we get the mix of verbal, mental and physical fighting all at once. Pretty damn intense. This is a no-holds-barred fight. They are out to kill each other and Dean wins this one fair and square. They are as evenly matched as they ever get in the show and it's likely that Dean would have put that axe through Sam if Bobby hadn't come to the rescue.
*sob* If I had to pick a fight that was the most painful to watch this would be it. This one is a heartbreaker because it's the result of a whole season's worth of built-up tension, distrust, anger and love. This is the climax of all the fights so far in the series. It's an example of how far both of them can go when fuelled by this level of anger and frustration. Neither of them can communicate their point verbally (though both try) so it results in them arguing with their fists. Dean can see how far Sam has fallen and Sam just can't get through to Dean how important what he's doing is. Sam is fighting to save the world whereas Dean is fighting to save Sam. They only slog it out like this because of the all-encompassing love they have for each other. It's a passionate fight and one that Sam desperately needs to win. And he does. I don't believe they are on an even playing field here. Sam is hopped up on demon blood and fuelled by an absolute rage. Dean is hurt, betrayed and on the back foot. This is also the first time Sam throws the first punch. He leads the charge and all but kills Dean in the process. He pulls back before choking the life out of Dean (thank God!) but only to turn and leave (like he often does). Dean's comeback is a rather feeble, but heartbreaking repeat of his father's words "You walk out that door, don't you ever come back." But he's lost the fight and it looks like he's lost Sam also. It's probably worth mentioning Lucifer!Sam killing Dean in The End (5.04) here. It's the next time we see violence between the brothers and even though it didn't technically happen we did witness it. We saw the final result of Sam succumbing to Lucifer - "his" foot snapping Dean's neck. It's gut wrenching. It's the ultimate use of one brother being used to hurt the other. It's the price they would have paid if they decided to part ways and not support each other. (Luckily we didn't get THAT outcome!)
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Date: 2012-04-26 12:31 pm (UTC)I read somewhere that Jensen had said they were being all nice and friendly, not "star ego-ish" to aid the pick up of the show for another season. (Wonder if that really helps?) I just had a thought, maybe they want to outdo their buddies on Smallville, and get to 10 seasons. I'm ok with that :)
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:01 pm (UTC)Oh and really? Jensen said that? How curious that egos might play into decisions about whether a show would be picked up. Our boys certainly don't seem to have mighty egos. They seem well grounded and grateful from their success with the show.
I hate waiting to hear about S8. The more I hear "it's going to happen" the more I worry it won't.
Thanks for popping in sweetie. *hugs*
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Date: 2012-04-26 12:45 pm (UTC)Also, I wanted to say that I have been watching and loving your vids for some time now and I apologize for never commenting.
Thank you!
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:05 pm (UTC)I don't like it when the boys fight either (other than watching the Js work so well together).
And thanks... I'm glad you like the vids...<33
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:17 pm (UTC)I love that Dean won the Sex And Violence fight after Sam said that Dean was holding him back.
if the boys do ever fight again I'll be mighty curious as to what brings it about.
Interesting to think about!
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Date: 2012-04-26 02:30 pm (UTC)The Sex and Violence fight is a killer. So much force. I love that they were equally driven, but maybe Dean was more so feeling he had something to prove.
Hee... you know I'll be on the look out for them fighting now! (Not that I want them to of course.)
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:25 pm (UTC)(Metamorphasis & When the Levee Breaks)
I really like how Sam overcame Lucifer in Swan Song and agree that the combination of Dean's physical passivity & talking instead of touching/punching (not to mention the IMPALA MEMORIES) was so epic and still cheer about how the whole package beat the pants of the devil....
/I digress
I was so relieved in Slash Fiction that Dean's secret was out. Who needed something like that hanging over them again -- certainly not Dean or Sam or any of us. ;P I did get the sense that Dean was relieved, too. He was too tired to carry that around for long and sincerely didn't like keeping things from Sam. What an internal battle, huh? Not wanting Sam to find out because Sam might get angry and leave vs. not wanting to lie to Sam because he might find out and get angry and leave. Yikes! Poor Dean!
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Date: 2012-04-27 02:14 am (UTC)The Swan Song moment at the end was equally amazing and uplifting and SO heartbreaking. The Impala played a crucial role in saving Sam and THEY'VE LOCKED HER IN A CORNER! Boo..
/digress too
Slash Fiction was a turning point I think. That was the last secret they had between them - unless we count Sam checking for Bobby and not letting Dean know - but even then that was dealt with reasonably.
Dean is always so conflicted! I think that's what makes him such a fascinating character.
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:40 pm (UTC)I actually like when the boys fight, in particular when Dean strikes Sam.It was interesting to learn there has been 7 scenes of Dean hitting Sam with no retaliation. I love learning new things and you are a great teacher! Thank you so much!!
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Date: 2012-04-27 02:20 am (UTC)I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
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Date: 2012-04-26 01:46 pm (UTC)I think you really capture the essence of your post, and therefore the show in this This clash foreshadows the future push-pull between the brothers - sometimes light-hearted, sometimes deadly serious.
I also think you highlight the evolution of the boys relationship over the years, and the differences in the boys makeup. We know about Dean's repression - he even said himself about his pain and anger "You shove it down and you let it come out in spurts of violence and alcoholism" which he does.
As you point out, Dean's punches are often as much about his feelings about himself, or about other things, as they are about Sam. The sequence in You Can't Handle The Truth, reminds me so much of Dean letting loose on the Impala in ELaC. In Truth I think Dean is hitting the monster/killer in himself, the one that’s torn him from Lisa, as he is the monster that Sam is revealed as.
Its so interesting that really the only time Sam has attacked Dean is in "Levee" and even then you can argue he wasn't in his right mind. I mean he's said himself Most of the time, I can hide it, but...I am angry. I'm mad at everything." (Sam, Interrupted) .
Yet he never hits Dean, even when provoked. Why???
Sam does attack him with words, and he leaves him on a number of occasions. Maybe we do see the real Sam in 'Levee' and that’s what he's always been afraid of – if he lets his anger out physically the outcome could be catastrophic. I mean we see that anger released in Asylum, and he does shoot Dean!
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Date: 2012-04-27 02:33 am (UTC)That quote is perfect. It sums Dean up so well, especially in light of how he uses violence. Not just against the big bads but against Sam also.
In Truth I think Dean is hitting the monster/killer in himself, the one that’s torn him from Lisa, as he is the monster that Sam is revealed as.
Oh yes. That's a great observation. A bit like Dean feeling good about killing the Levia!Cas - he's killing something of himself when doing that.
I love the comparison to the Impala also. In fact, I'd liked to have included something about Dean whaling on the Impala because I think that ties in nicely to him taking out that emotion on things/people he loves. (I think he was very close to laying a punch on Sam there but refocused that emotion instead).
Yet he never hits Dean, even when provoked. Why???
I have been pondering that question myself! I can't decide if the occasion just never rises - as in, that level of explosive anger or it's just not the way he deals. The shove against the wall is pretty close, but not quite a punch. Maybe he knows that walking away from Dean hurts him more than a punch on the jaw.
Sam has said that he has this constant anger inside him (Sam, Interrupted) and yet we see him handle it so differently to Dean. But you could be right. Walking away might be his way of making sure he doesn't do something catastrophic.
Thank you for the extra thinky! I love it...
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Date: 2012-04-26 02:53 pm (UTC)I actually think that punch at the end of Born Under a Bad Sign is relief, you know, how you'd start to yell at somebody the second he/she walks to within hearing distance after you have worried sick about him/her.
One thing I found interesting in the episode Skin is that when Dean shot not-himself, he hesitated a little before he pulled the trigger; kind of like Sam couldn't really let loose, completely, when fighting not-Dean. I really like the subtlety of it.
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Date: 2012-04-27 02:37 am (UTC)that when Dean shot not-himself, he hesitated a little before he pulled the trigger;
Yes. Isn't that interesting. I imagine it's the first time they have been faced with "themselves" when having to fight or kill. It must be pretty freaky....
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Date: 2012-04-26 03:14 pm (UTC)This is tangential to the main thesis of your post, but in a way, it illustrates for me, why the idea of Wincest works for me. What we see here is how so often, the expressions of their feelings is physical.
And when they're not punching each other it’s a hug. When they're reunited after one of them dies (okay that sounds weird!), they don't have long "omg you're back!" speeches – just a hug. So in that context, sex makes sense as another part of the Winchester vocabulary.
However one point you post puts like to is the fanon idea that Dean is the bottom in the relationship because he doesn't want to risk hurting Sammy. (and I'll leave my deconstruction of the fannish construct of the bottom for another day!) . Dean loves pounding into Sammy!
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Date: 2012-04-26 03:43 pm (UTC)This made me have thinky thoughts and I hope it's ok to put them here. Over the course of the show we've been shown that Sam has been driven by this big bundle of rage and yet it's Dean that is more likely to throw a punch. Sam's anger seems to come from frustration and a loss of control over his life and Dean's tends to come from hurt or fear of loss. Maybe Sam maintains more composure physically because to do otherwise would be to give up some of his control over the situation and Dean's more like a wounded critter lashing out. Sam only throwns the first punch under his own mental control in When the Levee Breaks and then there is something bigger he's fighting for than solely his relationship with Dean. When we see Sam fighting as a kid, it seems to be at the defense of other kids, not so much on his own behalf. Is it fair to say in these cases that Sam fights in cold blood with forethought and Dean usually fights in the heat of the moment and it's more reaction than thought out?
With how steeped in violence their lives have been, it's no wonder a lot of emotion ends up getting expressed that way first. I can't imagine John was a talk before punch kind of guy or a spare-the-rod parent. Seems like he provoked a violent response from a lot of his peers, including Bobby.
As an older sibling, whomping on the younger one(s) is the way a lot of the early differences get settled. Might is right. Eventually the younger ones catch up size-wise but the pattern's been established. Older sibs physically keep the younger ones in line because it's part of the whole look-after-them mindset being expressed by someone too immature to understand a different way. It's reinforced if parents handle it the same way. Nobody else better come anywhere near the younger ones with mayhem in mind though and I think Dean pretty much follows through on this, even when he sees the threat to Sam being Sam himself.
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Date: 2012-04-26 11:49 pm (UTC)This is so true. Famously, I took down a bully who had hurt my younger brother Michael and told him "Nobody beats up my kid brother but me!" I was really thrilled when Lucifer says pretty much the exact same words about his younger brother Michael in Swan Song. To me, it just says everything about the sibling relationship.
The bully never touched my brother again. And that brother now weighs literally twice as much as I do. The younger ones don't just catch up size-wise. As Sam and Michael can attest, they overtake you too.
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Date: 2012-04-27 09:39 am (UTC)Thanks so much for reading and commenting. <333
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Date: 2012-04-26 07:44 pm (UTC)I'm mightly impressed.
And you're absolutely right, it packs a powerful punch when we do see the brothers get violent with each other, so much of the show is spent portraying one brother protecting the other that the physical confrontation is jarring, strangely so in a show with so much violence.
On a different note: how've you been, bb? I haven't spoken to you in ages! *hugs* <333
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Date: 2012-04-27 09:42 am (UTC)Thank you so much. So glad you liked the images as well. I've loved trying to work out the best way to present pics. Still working on colouring and stuff but I like new challenges. :DD
And yes, I agree. Because their relationship is primarily based on love and protection when we see them belt into each other it's heartbreaking.
And I'm good!! Except I'm back at school after a lovely break. It's been hard to go back....
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Date: 2012-04-27 11:35 am (UTC)Thanks for reading.
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Date: 2012-04-26 11:42 pm (UTC)This is part of their brother dynamic. Sam tends to walk or run away when pissed. Dean throws punches.
This is so true, and I love how it has been consistent characteristics of theirs all the way through seven seasons. Sam talks with his feet. Dean talks with his fists.
I personally love that they are depicted this way. It feels so realistic to the kind of men they are, and the kind of lives they lead, as you have said. I know some fans complain that we didn't get apology speeches from this brother, or we got a beat down from that brother, but the truth is, it would've been out of character for them to act any differently. They are tough men of action. They don't talk about their feelings. This was made quite explicit from the beginning: "No chick flick moments."
Thanks for sharing this very enjoyable and insightful meta/picspam. I particular love the rassling scene in Tall Tales, what an awesome brotherly moment! And damn you're right, that brutal fight in WtLB was the hardest to watch. I literally felt like I had just been kicked in the chest. But this is the magic of our show, it makes me feel things like no other show ever has.
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Date: 2012-04-27 11:40 am (UTC)Sam talks with his feet. Dean talks with his fists.
Yes, yes. It's great to see them sticking with these characteristics in the brothers. I know sometimes we want them to say more to each other but for me we get a chance to read between the lines (and write meta!) about where they are at.
thanks for taking the time to read and leave a comment. <3
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Date: 2012-04-27 01:39 am (UTC)Wow, vids, metas, in-depth character analysis . . . you are just a Renaissance woman, aren't you? Great post!
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Date: 2012-04-27 11:43 am (UTC)you are just a Renaissance woman, aren't you?
Ha! If I could add fic writing and graphics to the mix then maybe...;)
Thanks so much for your lovely feedback. <333
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Date: 2012-04-27 11:55 am (UTC)And you're right. Considering all that you'd think they'd be at each other more often. They are probably at each other just as much - even more so maybe - verbally. I'd hate to have to count up how many times they argue...
thanks so much for reading. :)
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Date: 2012-04-27 03:27 am (UTC)(Although I for one can never EVER forgive Dean for knocking Sam out in 7.03. All the other ones, okay fine, but DEAR LORD MAN YOUR BROTHER JUST TOOK A CROWBAR TO THE FACE AND ENDED UP A DROOLING MESS FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS, CONCUSSIONS ARE CUMULATIVE YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING!?!?!!?)
Fight scene I most WANT to see: Sparring practice!! I've been waiting forever!! I mean sure, we finally got working out!Sam and stretching!Dean and running!Sam, but it is not enough, I say. SPARRING PRACTIIIIIICE! /whinyvoice
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Date: 2012-04-27 12:00 pm (UTC)And YES! I remember when that punch happened in 7.03 and thinking NOT AGAIN! I don't think Dean knew Sam took a crowbar to the head (I'd have to check that...) but he did know Sam's head was very fragile. I think another wall slam there might have been enough...;) Or maybe just taking the time to ask where Sam had been... OH DEAN!
HOMG! I would DIE if they had some sparring practice!! PLEASE PLEASE SHOW!
Thanks for reading and commenting. :DD
(ha... icon. that's awesome...)
i love it when they pound each other
Date: 2012-04-27 04:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-04-27 09:06 am (UTC)Ever considered a 'loving' meta? Not a wincesty one, but moments of brotherly inflections/expressions... Guh!
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Date: 2012-04-27 12:03 pm (UTC)I love the idea of a "loving" meta. They might be harder to define though as I see so much they do as loving. I could narrow it down maybe. Just find the poignant moments. Maybe different ways they show their love...
Hmmmm..
thanks so much for reading and commenting.
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Date: 2012-04-27 04:40 pm (UTC)Love this. It's going in my 'Spn canon' folder. :)
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