Spoilery chat...

[ash48]

So. For a change, I thought I'd talk about Supernatural - because, you know, I CAN'T HELP MYSELF!

I've been checking out all the spoilers because I NEEDS to know stuff!

To be honest there hasn't really been anything that earth shattering or (too!) controversial. Nothing quite like last year's..."Sam doesn't look for Dean because...you know...he finally had a chance at a normal life..." (whaaaaaa!!!)

Instead we've got...



Confirmation that the boys will be on the same page - that they'll be working together. The brothers chose each other at the end of S8 and that's where it'll be picked up. But not without serious consequences.

I gotta say I'm pretty happy about this - mostly that we won't be leaping ahead 4 months (or a year!) and we see that Sam somehow is healed and the trials (the effect they had on Sam and that the Winchesters failed to do something that would have potentially benefitted the world) meant nothing. Instead it'll not only mean something it will be driving the beginning of the season. \o/

Something that did create a bit of a stir (from what I've seen) is the reveal that Dean will be keeping a secret from Sam. It seems like it will be a pretty big secret and one that may cause issues down the track for them.

I'm not worried about this I have to say. There's always been something going on between them. I know "secrets" can be a little frustrating and surely the brothers have learned that it's not a good idea to keep them - but they usually exist because one is protecting the other in some way. Or one doesn't what the other to know their true feelings - it would mean exposing a weakness. Until we actually know what this secret is I don't think we can spend too much time complaining about it. I am so damn curious though! I hope it's awesome! (can it beat Dean having to kill Sam from S2?!)

I admit that the main reason I'm trolling spoilers is to know what they plan to do with Cas. I fluctuate between being a little bit excited about the possibilities of him being human and being terrified that I'm going to hate what they do with him.

I am working really (really!!) hard to just accept that he'll be around a lot in S9 (and probably until the end of the series) and trying to not let that get me down. I desperately want to like him and I know that so much of that will depend on what direction they'll take this season. From what I've heard I think he'll be the comic relief for a bit (discovering eating and toilets and washing etc) and that might be fun - as long as they don't drag the joke on for too long. I actually really love to see him develop into a solid 3 dimensional character - a strong, independent character who maybe starts to discover something in him that will one day make him a better angel.

No doubt the Winchesters will have a hand in helping him be human, but I hope that he doesn't end up following them around like a lost puppy. I dunno. TBH, I'm not sure exactly what I really want to see (except some more Sam and Cas moments would be kinda nice and maybe Cas discovering what it means to be love is. I really liked the Meg and Cas moments in the past so I think Cas finding earthly love would be interesting. And why do I think that Cas will reeeeaally like sex?! ;) (do we have issues with Jimmy being trapped inside Cas? If Cas has sex is that non consensual use of Jimmy's body?...*sore head*)

I read that it will be more character driven this season. That's both good and...er worrying. I really don't watch the show for major character story lines (I has enough of the soap at the beginning of last season). I like that it's a genre show and I want it to continue to be driven by MoTW stories. I still want action, mysteries and adventure (and blood splatters!), interwoven with some small (but strong!) character scenes.

That's not to say that I don't want strong character arcs (and not just from Sam and Dean) that carry through the whole season. I want something that they do in the beginning of the season to mean something by the end (compared to S8 where we had two separate halves). I wants lessons to be learned and discoveries to be made, but not at the expense of good story telling.

We'll learn more about the Men of Letters (yay!) and see some old characters return.

The return of Bobby puzzles me I have to admit. I'm not unhappy about it, but it feels like some sort of reset. A bit like...ooh, we really didn't mean (or want) to get rid of Bobby, we only did that for the emotional drama. We did that, so now let's bring him back. Seems strange so I hope they do it well.

Everybody interviewed seems pretty pumped and excited about the season - Jared particularly. He was practically jumping out of his seat wanting to give us information about what's going on with Sam. He keeps saying the fans are going to love it. This will either mean Jared knows what fans love (and I have no idea how, considering how different we all are!) or he only thinks he knows what we like seeing (not Sam as "other" pleeeasse...).

The only other thing I'm hoping for is something interesting to be happening for (or to) Dean. Perhaps something outside Cas or Sam. I'm not sure what, but just something. Something that tests Dean (and Jensen!).



Only 2 more months to wait! The fact that that seems like a long time means I still damn invested in this damn show.

Comments

[percysowner.livejournal.com]

I too would like to like Cas. However, comic relief Cas is my LEAST favorite Cas. And the projected "now I have to eat and poop" story is just embarrassing. I do think that there has been a continuing problem of not knowing what to do with Cas. SG had the best idea by making him an antagonist, but then that got taken away and JC made him a woobie antagonist. If they allow Cas to actually talk to Sam it would help immensely, but that would upset the part of the fandom that sees Cas as belonging to Dean, so I'm not holding my breath.

[laurificus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, exactly this. They should've had the balls to follow through on Cas as the antagonist, and if they didn't, they should never have started down that road at all. All it did was let him fuck up without any consequences. You know, again. But I suppose if they hadn't started down that road, they wouldd have had even less idea what to do with him, so...

And the problem, as you say, is compounded by the issue of only making him about dean. It's not workable to try to integrate him into the show and not integrate him into both their lives. Especially when cas's actions, I would argue, have impacted more on Sam than on dean. Letting Sam out of the panic room. Bringing him back without a soul and letting him wander around for a year. Breaking his wall. And, to give him a tiny bit of credit, helping to fix that damage. To have him do all that, to have Sam repeatedly reach out and forgive him, and for Cas to *still* treat him almost exactly like he did in S4 when he thought he was the antichrist or whatever...I don't know how we're supposed to find him likeable. And since they seem intent on not making him interesting, failing to make him likeable is an issue.

In conclusion, I still have all the castiel rage, and the show does nothing to temper it.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I have to agree with this. Aside from Cas rescuing Dean from Hell I'd say Cas has had less of an impact on Dean's life than he's had on Sam's (as in direct consequence of his actions).

I'd love this to actually be important - as in Dean realising the impact Cas has had on Sam's life. But *sigh*, I don't think show is following that train of thought. They seem to be playing him season by season or as the plot needs. Maybe now that Carver has been able to construct the story leading into this season we may see something else. Let's hope! :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah - I would like to see them think outside of the box for Cas this season. I know they feel they have to please that group in fandom (nothing against Dean/Cas lovers of course) but I think that means they have a narrow view of what they can do with him. I even have no problem if they want to explore Dean and Cas's friendship some more (I think it needs to start actually looking like all the things it say it is (I can't say I've actually seen any examples of Dean actually needing Cas for example). But I would love them to explore Sam and Cas's friendship because I think there's so much potential for them to draw parallels between the characters. But yeah - I'm not confident we'll get that. Though considering he is slated for about 16 eps they are going to have to do something interesting with him.

[percysowner.livejournal.com]

I found it interesting that in one interview Jensen said that Dean used Cas when he needed his powers and now Jensen is not sure that Dean will care much about Cas now that he isn't useful anymore. Which I would love to see on screen, because it actually makes sense. Dean doesn't like supernatural creatures and Cas invades his space and makes him uncomfortable. So Dean seeing Cas as a weapon in a war is fine with me. Sam, OTOH, does view Cas as a person, so I hope they explore the relationship between Sam and Cas.