(I;m not sure if this is a reply to my comment or to the previous one, but I'll respond anyway…*g*)
I find the idea that Sam might be put in a position of having to think well of Gadreel and the possession because it saved lives pretty horrific.
Yes. I will be very surprised (and upset) if Sam has to accept this possession because of anything "good" Gad has done. I'm curious about the resurrections he performed - whether they were done to keep Dean onside or because he actually thought he was doing the right thing (part of Gadreel wanting to put things right). For me killing Kevin is unforgivable though. Killing someone because he was "told to" bothers me (exactly the same way it bothered me that Cas was prepared to kill on Metatron's insistence). I get that they think it's for some greater good but killing anyone can't be good. I do wonder though if they are trying to draw parallels between Gad and Sam (though…nah…I can't see that actually).
but I think the ship sailed on his being a good guy the moment he violated both human and angelic standards of consent by possessing Sam.
It's another layer to Gadreel and for them to try and sell him as being anything other than shady is going to be very difficult. He possessed a human without his true consent and he's killed a human. It can't be good. Even for some perceived "greater good". It does make me think about whether there's a fundamental ethical and moral difference between humans and angels. On the angel scale what Gad's done may not be considered so bad (and seeing what utter dicks angels are it's not hard to believe). It's seems human's have a higher sense of what is considered "good" than angels. Perhaps there's an attempt to make angels (not sure which ones…Gadreel maybe?) to realise this once and for all. No idea if they would plan such a in-depth look at what it means to be an angel - compared to a human - compared to a demon. It seems they have set up a universe where they could explore this (but probably won't).
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Date: 2013-12-17 01:18 pm (UTC)I find the idea that Sam might be put in a position of having to think well of Gadreel and the possession because it saved lives pretty horrific.
Yes. I will be very surprised (and upset) if Sam has to accept this possession because of anything "good" Gad has done. I'm curious about the resurrections he performed - whether they were done to keep Dean onside or because he actually thought he was doing the right thing (part of Gadreel wanting to put things right). For me killing Kevin is unforgivable though. Killing someone because he was "told to" bothers me (exactly the same way it bothered me that Cas was prepared to kill on Metatron's insistence). I get that they think it's for some greater good but killing anyone can't be good. I do wonder though if they are trying to draw parallels between Gad and Sam (though…nah…I can't see that actually).
but I think the ship sailed on his being a good guy the moment he violated both human and angelic standards of consent by possessing Sam.
It's another layer to Gadreel and for them to try and sell him as being anything other than shady is going to be very difficult. He possessed a human without his true consent and he's killed a human. It can't be good. Even for some perceived "greater good". It does make me think about whether there's a fundamental ethical and moral difference between humans and angels. On the angel scale what Gad's done may not be considered so bad (and seeing what utter dicks angels are it's not hard to believe). It's seems human's have a higher sense of what is considered "good" than angels. Perhaps there's an attempt to make angels (not sure which ones…Gadreel maybe?) to realise this once and for all. No idea if they would plan such a in-depth look at what it means to be an angel - compared to a human - compared to a demon. It seems they have set up a universe where they could explore this (but probably won't).