Spoilers! Sort of...

[ash48]

So I'm home sick today. Well, more like I'm just poorly with a cold. I'm snuggled up in bed with hot tea and my computer and I suddenly had the urge to play "speculation".

There's been so many spoilery comments from the actors and crew around - especially on twitter or tumblr. They've left me very perplexed (and excited actually). They don't say "this is what actually happens"- they're more like....



They're more like actors saying things about the last 5 minutes like "the end made me cry", "they actually went there", "fans are going to freak out, it's chilling and disturbing","it changes the SPN landscape" and Jensen's: “The moment the screen goes to black. The last second. There are multiple characters involved. There’s a predicament now.” and Misha's: "I was definitely shocked. I thought, ‘Can they do this?’". I've also read there's a intense brother moment also.

I can't even with all that information! Mostly, I just can't imagine anything happening that will measure that level of "shocked and disturbing" (well, maybe if they do decide to of go the Wincest route. I figure that would be pretty shocking (and surprising!) and I'm sure some would consider it disturbing also. But nah, there's no way they'd go there).

I've always thought that one brother will kill the other. It makes sense of the story line (Cain and Able) and possibly ties into the opening episode. I figured that in order to "save" Dean, Sam will have to kill him. Or that Dean is so possessed that he kills Sam.

But that all seems to obvious and not nearly "landscape changing" enough. Death of a Winchester is almost formula for a season ender, so I don't think it fits the "we've never seen this before" comment from Jared.

We've already been to Heaven, Hell and Purgatory so them all being transported to a new dimension seems off the cards also.

I can't think of who could be introduced as a new big bad. Not sure what could top Lucifer rising. Though of course God making an appearance would probably top that (especially if he looked like John Winchester ;D).

Dean could turn demonic. But I don't think that would be a huge game changer. I mean, it would set up story lines for the beginning of S10, but ultimately he'd be back to Dean Dean so...yeah. Not sure what that would achieve (other than extra hot demon!Deanness).

That's really got me scratching my head.

I'm certainly more excited about the finale than I was - if only now to find out what on earth all those spoilery comments could be referring to.

Whatever happens it sounds like we're going to need to cling to each other.

Comments

[winsangel.livejournal.com]

I'll accept nothing less than "I love you" between the boys in the last scene to make up for all the crap we've endured for the last two seasons.

My wishful thinking knows no bounds!

Hope you're feeling better, hon. <3

[stormcloude]

Eh, I think Dean's going to turn into a demon. If they play it as him being the "big bad" even for a few episodes I could see how they'd call it a game changer. I mean they tried to sell Sam being possessed by an angel as something "never before seen on TV!!ELEVENTY!111"

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Actually an "I love you" would be pretty "shocking" with the way things are at the moment. Though those words never come out of their mouths - but we know it's pretty much behind everything they do and say to each other. Even when they're cruel - it's usually the reason they are cruel. So messed up.

I will accept pretty much anything as long as Sam is somehow involved (and is not made to apologise for saying what he did and is seen to be at least trying to save Dean). Or, if there is an apology, boy it's going to have to be handled properly. All the brother feels will at least help get over much of what's happened between them this season.

And thanks! A day in bed, curled up with some fic, might just be what's needed *g*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Demon!Dean makes some sense. Not exactly shocking - but if he does something horrid then it could very well be disturbing. I found some of last episode MoC!Dean disturbing, so it's not a far stretch. Though wow - pretty hard to take - especially if he does something that's hard to redeem (killing a child for example). If he kills Sam, it will be pretty heart wrenching - but not exactly irredeemable. I think? Though that won't do much for them building bridges in their relationship.

I think the "never seen before" is probably just referring to never seen on SPN. Though we've kind of seen demon!dean before (though maybe not fully).

i rather like the idea actually.

[brightly-lit.livejournal.com]

I've had the same thoughts, to the point that I finally went and tried to look up spoilers for the ep (with no luck). I think you're right that one of them will probably kill the other (and I'm pretty sure it'll be Sam killing Dean), but like you say, they've died a million times ... although I guess it was never one brother killing the other, so that might be what all the fuss is about. I'm just hoping they do it right and that it's not, you know, lame and *yawn*, been there done that.

[stormcloude]

Well, the brothers have never been on opposite sides before at the end of a season. Neither has ever been a demon before either. But I don't seem them killing Sam, otherwise who is going to "save" Dean? Sam might have to "kill" Dean though, if he can't stop him any other way.

(And they were trying to sell Sam's possession by Gadreel as never before seen on TV. I remember that specifically in a Singer interview.)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

True. They've often skirted around the idea of one killing the other. Especially John's "you have to kill Sam or save him". And then episodes when they've turned on each other (Sex and Violence) and then of course the whole Michael and Lucifer storyline. So it makes some sense that it could come to a head with that very action.

I was convinced that Sam would kill Dean, but when I think about it I just don't know where that would leave things for next season. Other than being back to where they started in S9. And if Dean is still possessed by the blade then he's hardly likely to try and save Sam this time. Hmmmm...hard to know.

But yes. Please don't be lame! I assume Carver is writing this one, so it really shouldn't be lame.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I was just pondering that below. Because even if Sam kills Dean (which is what I've always imagined will have to happen) the opening of S10 will be much the same as the opening of S9. Dean needing to be brought back somehow. And man, I don't think I could go through a repeat of the beginning of S8 with Sam doing nothing to find Dean. Might be the very last straw.

Hmmm, I'm hoping its something none of us have even imagined (which I find hard to believe actually...*g*)

[winsangel.livejournal.com]

I really hope Sam's not apologizing for anything. I'd rather see him talking Dean off a ledge, trying to convince him to not go over like he himself did with Ruby. Let us hear Sam speak! *yells at Carver*

I know there are no 'spoken' chick flick moments other than the hugs between them, but if it's so bad by the end of the finale that one of them is at death's door, just let something be said between them that says they love each other. What Jared said about us getting what we all want between the brothers...not wincest but maybe something close would be good ;) Season 3 finale was so perfect with Dean's little speech telling Sam to take care of his wheels and remember what he and John taught him - it was "I love you" without the words. I'll take something like that in a heartbeat.

Jared saying that Sam loves Dean as much as Dean loves him warms my heart and I never doubted that, it's the writers who need to get past having the boys at odds. Fans are so tired of it and imo the Js are tired of it, too.

Jensen's hints at something eye opening - we're all guessing it's
Dean's eyes opening at the last second & being black or even red, or it could be something else entirely - can't wait to find out!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh. Just saw your eta. Oh. Were they saying never seen before on all of TV? Pretty big statement. Though weird because there's lots of angel possessions on SPN. Even before Gadreel.

[stormcloude]

Except demons don't die from regular bullets?


Yeah, if it does go this way, I will probably be completely done with the show. It's hard to have smart characters when you don't have smart writers. :/

[kazluvsbooks.livejournal.com]

Feel better soon,sweetheart!! Look after yourself.

Yeah, i am going with Sam possibly killing Dean and Dean turning even darker, which sounds like a really interesting start to Season 10.

The S8 finale was AMAZING so hopefully this one will be as epic.

I love how excited the cast still is..it makes me excited too!!

[ayane42.livejournal.com]

I saw a post on tumblr that said:

You can practically smell the fear and anxiety coming off the Supernatural fandom right now.

and for me this really rang true. i am afraid that the finale is going to suck, but there's the anxiety that they are actually going to really do something we've never seen before.

like ya'll said, Cain/Abel, Dean kills Sam, ok, we've never seen Dean kill Sam, but they've both died plenty of times. We've seen heaven, purgatory and a little bit of hell, but more like Dean and Sam's memories of hell.

Demon!Dean? ehhh, i don't know about not having seen that.

the most shocking thing i think would be some how Metatron or Crowley did something with the tablets (remember those?) and they bring Hell to Earth.

or even better it is a dream and season 8 and 9 never happened. heh. ok, you can tell i'm really irked about these seasons, even though the whole trial!Sam was incredible and the final ep last year with the angels falling, i still get goose bumps watching that episode.

i know i can't wait!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks! :)

Dean being really really dark at the beginning of S10 could be interesting. Though, not sure how long they could sustain that. They's need to resolve it pretty quickly as mostly SPN is MoTW episodes with the brothers working a case together.

S8 finale was epic and I loved it. I'm hoping for something equally epic (as long as it's got lots of good brother feels I'll be ok!).

xx

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

My prediction is that Dean becomes Crowley's First Knight and season 10 starts with Sam and Cas trying to rescue Dean.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hmmm... I did ponder hell of Earth - and maybe Dean being being by Crowley's side. Though I felt like we had a bit of hell on earth when Lucifer was running around. I think that was the idea of the approaching apocalypse. Though, I agree the tablets could still play a large part.

I mean, there's also the angels that need to get back to heaven, Metratron confront ion (maybe with Cas), not sure what role Cas will play in all this - maybe along side Sam in dying to save Dean. I figure he's got the biggest beef with Metatron so Cas might be the one to kill him. There's also Gadreel and the lost souls in the veil. SO much to tie up in 42 minutes.

omg, let alone all the brother issues.

I can't wait for it all to be over so we finally KNOW! :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I thought maybe Dean was already First Knight after killing Adaddon? though nothing has been said. Dean becoming a demon - and Crowley's right hand man would make some sense. S9 opened with Sam being an angel and now S10 could open with Dean being a demon. They are constantly mirroring the boys' stories so it could be on the cards for sure.

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

The last second cuts to Sam waking up as "Heaaaaat of the Moment" plays on the clock radio next to the bed.

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

Well Gavin Crowley is roaming about in the 21st century after all. Timey-wimey stuff.

:)

[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

I don't know what to think but if Dean does end up with demon eyes, it would be poetic if they were yellow. He hasn't been an angel, has he? Mostly, I just hope it makes the aggravation of the rest of the season worth it and that the writing is good and I hope they don't create a whole lot more opportunity for Sam-bashing. I wish I trusted the storytellers a bit more.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

That that that.

I mentioned somewhere we could have a Dallas style "all a dream", but "heat of the moment" would way more perfect!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

For me, I would absolutely love it if they created an episode that's well structured, answers some questions, closes some story lines (puts those angels back in heaven!) and creates a genuine moment between the brothers. Not some fan service or over angsty brow beating. I almost don't care how they end it as long as I can say...now that made sense. I joked with El1ie in a comment that I would like to open my reaction with.

Dear Show,

All is forgiven.

Yours

I would also like to add: "Brava! Well played!" Too hopeful?

If there's more opportunity for Sam bashing I just don't know what I'll do. Sure, there'll be those who will never accept what he does, but please nothing like before. :(

[stormcloude]

Oh man, they do have a built-in reset point, don't they? I think Carver's too conceited to use it though.

[stormcloude]

Glad you seem to be feeling better. I hope all your SPN wishes come true. ;)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Just feel tired mostly. As a teacher it's not a good look when trying to stand up in front of 27 7 and 8 year olds. Just couldn't face it today.

SPN chat is keeping me company. :))