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I really have the urge to read fic where Sam returns with Dean's food, he gets drunk and then we get ALL the feels between the two of them. We're unlikely to get that in the show (especially the wincest-y version I imagine), so I think I need to read it! (if anyone has any recs OR wants to write one *hint* I'm just here waiting).

While I'm here I'd like to rec this great vid by emerging vidder justmep2: Does That Make Me Crazy. This is only her 7th vid and she's done a wonderful job. This is about Demon!Dean - I love the way she's tied in relevant moments from Dean's past ago highlight the demon story. The editing is snappy and the song is great for d!dean. Check it out!

I'd also like to rec this tumblr post. I wouldn't normally do this but I think this highlights just how passionate SPN fans are. Even though this is probably WAY off course (not least because there's no way the writers would have even considered John's blood type), I think just the fact that it's caused a stir and got people talking and thinking is fun enough. It's a shame some peeps have been rude about it (come on! it's just a theory!) - but that just seems the way it goes these days. Sadly.

If fact, I've seen a few interesting things about S10 floating around. The biggest discussion point seems to be why Sam didn't use his own blood to cure Dean. Lots of lovely theories - including the connection to the trials and his tainted blood. For me it just made sense that he wasn't having to drain himself of blood when having to deal with demon!Dean. It also highlighted Sam's compassion. He didn't want to harm Dean more than he needed too. Mostly it would be simply logistics. We'd be crying foul if Sam was running around without much blood.

There's other stuff - like Sam being a meanie and returning Dean to normal when he was having such a great, guilt free life (please), Dean finally saying the stuff to Sam that he's always been feeling deep down (might be some truth in that), that Cas was actually the one who saved Dean (and even with my most open mind I can't buy that. He saved Sam for sure. He restrained Dean so Sam could finish the cure. Team work at the end). I also believe Dean's "thank you" to Cas at the end was for stopping him in time to not kill Sam. It wasn't for curing him.

I do wish d!Dean had said "here's Johnny" when he was smashing that door. I'm sure that was a shootout to The Shining.

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[el1ie.livejournal.com]

I don't connect curing Dean to the trials. Men of Letters cured a demon, it had no effect on Hell, the trials were a distinct pattern of rituals with each one following the last, incantations to be read etc. when the last one failed the trials ended. Curing Dean of being a demon now would have no effect on the already finished trials. Sam knew though how it drained him, how much blood, (probably a slew more than the Men of Letters used on the original cure) when he attempted it last time and he's been really smart this time around, takes no chances and gets in a bucket load - I LOVE this Sam to itty bitty pieces.

Blood group is fun - I don't think they're seriously setting this up as a huge reveal, just one more instance where keeping a show bible would have come in useful. There's also the Michael Vessel problem and the bloodlines needed for angel occupation. It could point to John having a brother who knocked up Mary, but there just wasn't a sign of anyone else in the back flash episodes. Granted, if you want to push the theory, there's nothing to say any of those back flashes were the actual truth, angels manipulate humans, angels changed the whole time line over the Titanic, so who knows what else they've changed throughout the show and what they've shown the brothers is real, I never believed in Zac's version of heaven although many do. My pet head canon is that Castiel actually changed the whole time line to orchestrate Dean and Lisa never meeting in the first place, wiping her memories just seems rather pointless in a world where every demon knew what she meant to Dean. *shrugs*

Fandom has far too much fun with these things and I expect we'll have more on this one.

There was a moment when I expected the 'here's Johnny' line, but then I remembered, this wasn't Dean but a knight of hell. So that worked well for me, the expected not happening.

Cas saved Dean? Yeah, and I'm a bloody talking stuffed bear with a piglet and a tigger for best friends. Come on, really? Ah, bless their hopeful, blind and shippy little souls, look hard enough and you can convince yourself the moon is made of cheese, but can we get back to watching the actual show now?

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*nods* I (and I'm pretty sure the show) don't connect Dean to the trials either. They learned how to cure a demon during the trials but if they were going to make a thing of not using Sam's blood because he might inadvertently finish the trials and die - then they would have made a HUGE deal about it. And yeah - incantations etc etc.

takes no chances and gets in a bucket load - I LOVE this Sam to itty bitty pieces.

Other than being easily caught by Cole he's been really smart this time. He had prepared himself for catching and curing Dean. He knew how hard it would be (and didn't know if it would be successful).

just one more instance where keeping a show bible would have come in useful.

I seriously think they should have a way of checking with fans on any canon issues. A place to post "have the boys ever been to the Grand Canyon before?" and "would there be an issue with introducing a rogue reaper who could open a door to purgatory and then have a way into hell?" and "hey guys! Do you think it would be plausible that Sam wouldn't look for Dean if he just disappeared before his eye?". We'd tell them! (and of course I'm joking. The answers would be WILD and represent all the different interpretations that fandom have). And did you see the cap of John's dog tags? I had no idea his blood type was on it and I'd be DAMN SURE the deadly due wouldn't either.

My pet head canon is that Castiel actually changed the whole time line to orchestrate Dean and Lisa never meeting in the first place, wiping her memories just seems rather pointless in a world where every demon knew what she meant to Dean. *shrugs*

Oooh, I like that! That would make more sense (shame that Sam mentions also dating someone "bendy" so Dean still remembers her). I would love to see that whole thing re-visited. I am sure Lisa would be a target because of Dean. She could be dead and Ben homeless for all he knows.

Aaanyway….

There was a moment when I expected the 'here's Johnny' line, but then I remembered, this wasn't Dean but a knight of hell.

I do love that fandom has given it to us! (see gif set below in this thread). I suppose I'm glad also because it would have been too much. I like that it was a clear reference though.

Cas saved Dean?

Yep! There's even a twitter hashtag for it and everything. ;) And just read that "the cure didn't work until castiel arrived because
up until then Dean was living with the fear of not having Cas in his life". And some other proof that Cas was the "cure" because apparently in 9.03 "where Castiel's mirror Maurice is an anagram for "I am cure". To be honest, that seals it for me. Sam didn't do anything - including pumping the rest of the blood into Dean (there's a cap that shows the empty bags on a table, indicating that Sam continued the treatment). Cas was the cure! I mostly smile at this stuff now (I just wish I could smile at the character bashing, but it can get difficult sometimes…)

Personally, I loved that Cas actually saved Sam (who then finished curing Dean). It built a further bridge between Cas and Sam, which is at least something (and as I've been told they needed a Cas and Dean scene because Cas isn't in it for quite a few eps now…).

Awwww - Pooh bear, piglet and tigger…<33

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"hey guys! Do you think it would be plausible that Sam wouldn't look for Dean if he just disappeared before his eye?". We'd tell them!

Haha! Would we ever!

And did you see the cap of John's dog tags?

I did and I remember some discussion of those tags when the episode aired, information, any information on the family was treasured, the uncle was it? That put up the headstone...wonder what happened to him.

I'm still thinking the blood type doesn't matter one iota, I watched the scene again and I honestly don't think Sam is saying "This is O type blood - you're O type" I think it's a throwaway line, hey I brought XXX beer, it's your type, I brought your Bust Asian Beauty porn as that's the one you like. He's not injecting the blood into his veins anyway and I don't remember any thought about typing blood before when Sam was trying to cure Crowley or when Crowley was feeding from others. It's a snarky remark between them not a statement of fact or so it seems to me.

I am sure Lisa would be a target because of Dean. She absolutely was and should still be even if Castiel removed her memories, everyone else that came into contact with them as a couple and every demon in hell still knows, which is why it just doesn't make any sense unless Castiel changed everything but left Sam and Dean with the memories for their own continuity. Like you, I'm surprised if Dean hasn't had someone watching out for them, so maybe it will be re-visited at some point.

a twitter hashtag for it and everything. LOL! Was a time stuff like this would drive me bonkers, now? Not so much, I think it's because show and I no longer connect on a deeply visceral level, I don't feel about it like I used to and as a result find these things far more amusing than I probably should, I know it's 'serious business' for those involved, but I can't stop rolling my eyes at the antics.

I'm glad Castiel came to help Sam too, the staging of that scene though was rather awkward, the 'big hug of flashing eye colours' was a little on the dramatic side, would have preferred the old way Castiel had of just whacking folk on the forehead! But still, a little change is better than a rest as they say...or, maybe not, that hug was a bit on the funny side.

On the whole I don't venture far enough to have seen much of the character bashing this year and have decided that even the small stirrings of any tiny peeps of bitter jealousy are enough to make me back click out of comments, but I do sympathise with your plight, for the last couple of years it's been a hard time to be in the middle of a fandom when so much of that fandom has taken to it's individual corners to lick it's wounds and only comes out fighting when the writers drop a clanger.

I love the fandom discussions about plot points, dialogue and, yes, blood groups! But ship wars no longer interest me.

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As predicted, Jensen confirmed the "O" was used because it was the universal blood type. Absolutely no thoughts on a plot like that John wasn't Dean's father (don't think he said the second part the blood question was asked and the tweet made it sound like that was the only reason "O" was used.

And with a shit tonne of shit hitting the fan after that last con, it's probably good to be faaaaar way from twitter fandom at the moment (though, I'm not seeing a lot it on my timeline, but it's been rather interesting (girl getting thrown out of con due to claim that a tweet she made a week previous was threatening to the Js...).

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Oh, thanks for keeping up! The blood group/Dean's parentage was a bit of a reach, but fandom has always played around with things like this, I'm not sure double checking everything with actors though is necessary? Under Carver though? Maybe!

Shit tonne of shit you say? Tweets can be so strange and I think often people forget the whole world and her mother can see you. Ack, hope said shit wasn't dumped all over the Js themselves? Tell the truth only thing that crossed over my dash was the complaint that Jared was wearing pink and RUINED, RUINED I TELL YOU, RUINED PEOPLE'S PHOTOGRAPHS THEY'D PAID FOR!!!

And I'm over here going..really fandom? No, REALLY??? You who campaign for Dean to be canonically bi-sexual and for more gay characters to be on the show and you now bitch about a colour choice? Or maybe it wasn't just the fact it was pink maybe he didn't co-ordinate with the background or something - *sigh*. *throws up hands in dismay*

I think the object of fandom at the moment is to find something new to bitch about...you are a star at keeping a level head, I end up bitching back! Hehe.

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I normally find it weird when people check stuff with the actors, but in this case as Jensen was also the director I figure he must have considered the options. And as it caused such a stir (that post really was kind of awesome) I'm not surprise someone asked. I

Oh yes, I saw that bit about the colour Jared wore. I'm like…BUT HE LOOKS SO PRETTY! There was a pic that really was beautiful - in terms of the colour and the way they had manipulated the overall look. Personally, I loved the pink and the green between the two of them. Particularly as we got that gorgeous pic of Jared putting the scarf around Jensen's neck. I'm sure you've seen it, but if you haven't I'll link you. Sometimes the J2 fandom has me more excited than SPN. :))

But yeah, people will always find stuff to bitch about. /o\

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YES! Even *I* have seen THE picture! And I saw the one of *Sam* the fan asked his to do, which was quite remarkable. The cons seem to get more open and friendly every year, shame there's always something to bitch about! But, hey, it's fandom right?

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I love that pic! In fact, I just tweeted it and peeps have loved it. I love the way it captures how different Sam and Jared are. Hmmm, I know want to see one of Dean…