Jared's new website.
Jul. 25th, 2015 03:59 pmI'm struggling with my feelings on this, so I thought I'd post some stuff and see if anyone else had some ideas. Mostly, I can't figure out if it's "harmless fun" (and shut-up and stop worrying/whinging/fretting) or if there's going to be some major fallout in the future that will harm Jared and therefore worry lots!
I am also aware that it really isn't my concern. He's a grown man and can make decisions for himself. But I also seem to care quite a lot about him and so I feel protective. I would HATE to see this take a bad turn (and from what I've been reading, this has happened to celebrities in the past), and knowing how personally Jared takes things, this might not help him.
So, this is what I've been reading.
It appears that Jared's website Jaredpadaleckioffical is run by a company called Digital Mavericks. They are essentially in the business of generating money. Sites like this are often referred to as "click bait" websites (like BuzzFeed) - consumers are offered links to "interesting" articles in the hope that they will click on them. My (limited) understanding is that each time someone clicks it makes money for the owner of the website (and company running it). According to this article sites like this can make about $18 per 1000 fans. I really don't know the ins and outs of exactly how money is generated, but all the links on the sites leads to either advertisements or a tiny article surrounded by other ads (and often those horrid pop ups). They are truly awful.
I totally understand that life is about making money, but I have to say I am distressed (upset?) that Jared has made a decision to go down this route.
It's interesting that when the site first appeared many thought his FB page had been hacked. That's how "un-like" Jared it seemed to be. It was confirmed by TBTB that it was real.
According to his manager (Dan Spilo) , this is about finding "fun content" to share. He says "Jared is writing the headlines. We use the company to help find the content".
If you are interested in reading further information about it, check out this Facebook thread. His manager talks about it and basically condemns fans for not being "positive" about it. It also gives more info about Digital Mavericks (and a worrying thing they did with a past celebrity).
I think the thing that bothers me most is the decision to make money from his followers. Now, I have no idea if this is purely Jared or its been pushed by his management. It might even be a great way for him to generate income for his charities. I think it would go a long way if Jared explained why he felt he needed to have a click-bait style website. If he wanted to link "fun content" he could do that with it being embedded in a website. OR he could have his own, genuine, ad free website. Or am I just being naive? Perhaps life just doesn't work like that anymore.
I've seen some comments say "It's Jared's page, and he can do what he wants" - which I totally agree with. Just like this is my journal page and I can make decisions about what's on it. But the nature of the site seems to go against what we know about Jared, it just worries me. To me, it seems to cheapen his cause and even him. I can't believe he needs the extra money (maybe his manager does?) or maybe it IS about fundraising after all.
Either way, I know it's not something I like and it will probably mean I will *sniff* unfollow him on Facebook. Mainly because I can not stand those sites. I realise I can scroll past them (like I do many similar type sites), but each time I see it I will worry about Jared. And it's likely to make me angry.
Dan Spilo argues that Jared's fans a loving it (lots of comments) so stop being so negative. And maybe he has a point. If the majority of the fans are loving the new content then it's working - both for the fans and for Jared and the marketing company. It's just not working for me - which probably puts me in the minority.
Mostly, I'd like to see JP take a major step back from social media. Tweet occasionally, FB occasionally and enjoy his real life, family and friends. His fans will love him whether his has a website or not. Perhaps take a leaf out of Jensen's method of surviving the business. But he's a grown man and can obviously make his own choices. I just hope he takes care of himself.
*hugs* him SO much. I admire him for speaking out about depression and helping many people start a conversation about it. I'm not keen on the marketing for it, but that's purely personal. I'm pretty cynical it turns out. ;)
ETA: More about this here on Tumblr by the girl who has investigated it all. It's mostly about letting fans know it's not Jared posting. And pointing out that the posts are automated. I haven't investigated all this personally, so please take from it what you will.
I am also aware that it really isn't my concern. He's a grown man and can make decisions for himself. But I also seem to care quite a lot about him and so I feel protective. I would HATE to see this take a bad turn (and from what I've been reading, this has happened to celebrities in the past), and knowing how personally Jared takes things, this might not help him.
So, this is what I've been reading.
It appears that Jared's website Jaredpadaleckioffical is run by a company called Digital Mavericks. They are essentially in the business of generating money. Sites like this are often referred to as "click bait" websites (like BuzzFeed) - consumers are offered links to "interesting" articles in the hope that they will click on them. My (limited) understanding is that each time someone clicks it makes money for the owner of the website (and company running it). According to this article sites like this can make about $18 per 1000 fans. I really don't know the ins and outs of exactly how money is generated, but all the links on the sites leads to either advertisements or a tiny article surrounded by other ads (and often those horrid pop ups). They are truly awful.
I totally understand that life is about making money, but I have to say I am distressed (upset?) that Jared has made a decision to go down this route.
It's interesting that when the site first appeared many thought his FB page had been hacked. That's how "un-like" Jared it seemed to be. It was confirmed by TBTB that it was real.
According to his manager (Dan Spilo) , this is about finding "fun content" to share. He says "Jared is writing the headlines. We use the company to help find the content".
If you are interested in reading further information about it, check out this Facebook thread. His manager talks about it and basically condemns fans for not being "positive" about it. It also gives more info about Digital Mavericks (and a worrying thing they did with a past celebrity).
I think the thing that bothers me most is the decision to make money from his followers. Now, I have no idea if this is purely Jared or its been pushed by his management. It might even be a great way for him to generate income for his charities. I think it would go a long way if Jared explained why he felt he needed to have a click-bait style website. If he wanted to link "fun content" he could do that with it being embedded in a website. OR he could have his own, genuine, ad free website. Or am I just being naive? Perhaps life just doesn't work like that anymore.
I've seen some comments say "It's Jared's page, and he can do what he wants" - which I totally agree with. Just like this is my journal page and I can make decisions about what's on it. But the nature of the site seems to go against what we know about Jared, it just worries me. To me, it seems to cheapen his cause and even him. I can't believe he needs the extra money (maybe his manager does?) or maybe it IS about fundraising after all.
Either way, I know it's not something I like and it will probably mean I will *sniff* unfollow him on Facebook. Mainly because I can not stand those sites. I realise I can scroll past them (like I do many similar type sites), but each time I see it I will worry about Jared. And it's likely to make me angry.
Dan Spilo argues that Jared's fans a loving it (lots of comments) so stop being so negative. And maybe he has a point. If the majority of the fans are loving the new content then it's working - both for the fans and for Jared and the marketing company. It's just not working for me - which probably puts me in the minority.
Mostly, I'd like to see JP take a major step back from social media. Tweet occasionally, FB occasionally and enjoy his real life, family and friends. His fans will love him whether his has a website or not. Perhaps take a leaf out of Jensen's method of surviving the business. But he's a grown man and can obviously make his own choices. I just hope he takes care of himself.
*hugs* him SO much. I admire him for speaking out about depression and helping many people start a conversation about it. I'm not keen on the marketing for it, but that's purely personal. I'm pretty cynical it turns out. ;)
ETA: More about this here on Tumblr by the girl who has investigated it all. It's mostly about letting fans know it's not Jared posting. And pointing out that the posts are automated. I haven't investigated all this personally, so please take from it what you will.
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Date: 2015-07-25 10:55 am (UTC)And the good thing is, it's easy to see when it's him and when it's the website posting. His posts don't have the "jaredpadaleckiofficial" at the bottom of it. I know he uses his FB to promote his cause, which I think is a positive marketing way of using it. The website does seem very impersonal. I have a feeling he's shown the article, writes a blurb and it's posted. I am concerned that maybe this means this company has access to his Facebook.
I suppose we'll just have to see what happens. My feeling is that if it was to raise funds for charities he may have said something. But maybe he's just wanting him to trust him on this. It's why I'm confused. I want to trust him, but I worry he'll get stung.
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Date: 2015-07-25 08:35 am (UTC)Maybe someone at the DC-con will ask him about it.
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Date: 2015-07-25 08:47 am (UTC)If it is to raise revenue for charities then why not be upfront about it? I don't see anything like the 'click here' to raise money buttons you see on other websites or any explanations about why he'd want something like this, which is so obviously far removed from his own personal hands.
*shrug* I agree, to each his own, but this is kind of a strange move to make. I hadn't heard anything about it, so did click your link above, to me it's more like his management has just traded on his name to make an advertising site, it could be anyone's name at the top. That's my judgement of it just looking at it cold and my first gut reaction is always the thing that sticks with me, so, let's just say, I won't be clicking it again.
If he's linking to it from his Twitter and Facebook accounts all the time, I think I'd frown on that behaviour too, but it's his network and his fans, so it's up to each individual to choose whether to click or not, but it honestly makes me uncomfortable, as fans can be enthusiastic but still end up feeling used.
Yeah, seems I'm pretty cynical too!
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Date: 2015-07-25 11:08 am (UTC)as fans can be enthusiastic but still end up feeling used.
What really makes me a bit sad is seeing fans interact with the posts as though Jared is posting them - or talks to him and share personal experiences. I mean, it's cool if those articles really do help people and maybe Jared really does see them. Perhaps people can enjoy the articles without actually clicking all the click-bait sites at the bottom and on the side.
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Date: 2015-07-25 09:10 am (UTC)I don't think that a lot of people like the site either. There were so many who first posted about Jared having been hacked that I'm pretty sure most people actually had a negative reaction to it. Sure, now many will comment on the articles as though there's nothing wrong with them, but I think that's mostly because they're following Dan Spilo's bizarre logic of "being a good fan". Speaking of which - fan-blaming instead of taking responsibility is just vile. How does this man still have a job?
As for the money issue - even if it's for the fund Jared and Jensen set up, it's still not an okay method of fundraising imo.
Finally, maybe I'm just as cynical as you are, but right now it seems to me that Jared (possibly because he's being advised really badly by his clearly incompetent manager) is milking all the attention he's been getting after his break-down both from the media and from fandom to the fullest, and so while I really hope he'd take a step back from social media I can't really see it happening any time soon.
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Date: 2015-07-26 12:09 pm (UTC)Who's the target audience?
I'm going to guess it's fans. I can't speak for him but I think it might be about giving fans articles that he thinks they might like to read. In itself that's fair I think, it's just a shame he chose this way of doing it, rather than create his own website.
So probably it's supposed to be part of AKF
I'm not sure really. It might have come off the back of that, but there's no direct link to it as far as I can see. I think it's about inspiration etc. Positive articles that might be interesting to his fans.
that it makes it look like Jared knows nothing about mental illnesses and isn't taking this project seriously.
Hmm, again it's hard to say. I think Jared probably does know about mental illness (hearing him talk about his own struggles), and I think that maybe the articles are about making people feel good. In themselves the articles are pretty harmless, it's all the click bait next to them that I personally don't like.
but I think that's mostly because they're following Dan Spilo's bizarre logic of "being a good fan".
There's a lot of pressure from that. I've been called out a number of times for being "negative" (on a variety of show related topics), but I think being critical is not about being a bad fan. Saying everything is "great" when it's not is not being true to oneself.
I just hope it all works out for him. More than anything I hope he speaks about it this weekend and we have a better insight into what it's all about.
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Date: 2015-07-25 09:22 am (UTC)In terms of how you chose to react to it, I normally go with your guts. If you think that Jared is a 'good person', then I'd assume he's doing it for a 'good reason' (e.g. to protect his mental health) and move on. Stop using the site if it upsets you or keep popping in if you find it interesting.
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Date: 2015-07-26 12:27 pm (UTC)*nods*. I have stopped following him (*sniffs*) but it's just to painful and until it's cleared up I think it's best just to ignore it.
It might well be a way of protecting himself, but boy - I would have advised something different. I seriously hope this doesn't come back to bite him. Or, that he has some good protections if it does. And if it doesn't - fantastic! I really hope it all goes well for him. :)
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Date: 2015-07-25 11:16 am (UTC)I'm pretty sure, or at least want to believe that Jared has little to do with this (I'm guessing he's being paid to promote it x times a day or such).
Yes, it is not ok and cynical to use - I mean - so many of his followers are there because he did an amazing thing - talking about mi the way he did - and that is super meaningful and needed. But that was a GIFT. Using the people who came because they need it is not ok.
(and to any nice liberal fans who never experienced this sort of thing and want to protect poor Jared from evil evil me for saying this - just don't. Just don't reply here)
(I care about Jared's feelings too, very deeply and personally, but I also care about the feelings of whatever kid trying not to kill themselves or dealing with abuse. And this is not rhetorics, this is literally and simply who this can harm )
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Date: 2015-07-26 01:09 pm (UTC)I've added a link that suggests the posts are automated. According to Dan Jared writes the intros and then the posts are made - at certain times during the day. I haven't confirmed this though, so I'm not sure how true that is.
But that was a GIFT. Using the people who came because they need it is not ok.
I have issues with this on a very different level. It's massively complex so I'm not going to even attempt to discuss it. I will say that for those who it's helped I'm thrilled for. :)
I care very much for Jared feelings and I really hope he's protected from any fall out if it happens.
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Date: 2015-07-25 03:06 pm (UTC)Second, as I wrote elsewhere, it's like one of those Twitter users like "Oscar Wilde Quotes" which alternates quotes with "One Weird Trick Housewives Use to Lose Weight!".
Third, the very concept is demeaning to Jared. Obviously he okay'd it, but it's hard to believe he's actually looked at it. He's used to sophisticated web design so why would he sign off on it?
Fourth, if there's money being made, I'm sure Jared doesn't know where it's actually going. He's a smart man, but it seems like he thinks with his heart first, not his head.
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Date: 2015-07-27 01:24 pm (UTC)I would love to see him have a website that's professional made and thrown together for the sake of clicks.
But, I'm stepping away from it. I've worked out I can follow Jared on FB without seeing his official website or his ads. That makes me happy! :)
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Date: 2015-07-25 04:26 pm (UTC)Sometimes I think to myself, What would it take for me to not love these guys? and so far my only answer has been, If they became Scientologists. And I do love Jared and I'm not going to feel differently about him because of the site, but I think it's a bad move for him. I won't unlike his FB page but I'm trying to ignore the posts that are Buzzfeed-like. I clicked on one, once, and was so disappointed by the clearly PR driven site.
While we're expressing potentially unpopular thoughts about Jared's public persona and how we receive it, I think it would be good if the fandom chilled out a bit about how brave and inspiring JP is for talking about his depression/anxiety. Not because I don't think he's sincere or that I don't feel he is brave and inspiring -- I do, on all counts. But it's time we moved past talking about it quite so much. Jared is more than his cause, he's more than his depression. And once you've honored someone with a display of nearly 7k candles, you've pretty much topped out.
And I'm starting to experience that fund-raising weariness. I have a drawer full of SPN tshirts but I have a thing against wearing photographic images of people; nonetheless, I've participated in all three AKF tshirt campaigns. But I don't think I can do another one, no matter the cause, unless I actually like the shirt.
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Date: 2015-07-28 12:07 pm (UTC)Re the campaign. I am extremely conflicted but that also. I love that he's opened up dialogue and it appears to have really helped some people but I agree there's a level of fatigue about it. I was surprised there was another t-shirt campaign to be honest. I love the way it's brought fans together, but there will come a point when it will all be overload I fear.
I confess to not buying any shirts (I also have an issue with wearing someone's imagine - even if I love them!) I also prefer to donate directly to the cause rather than pay for the manufacturing of t-shirts. But I totally appreciate fans wanting the shirts also - it's a wonderful way to connect. For me it's a purely personal choice and I love that so many people have supported the cause. :)
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Date: 2015-07-25 04:45 pm (UTC)I still don't think Jared is those things, but it really does make me think he's more distressed and drifting than I had realized. :(
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Date: 2015-07-28 12:15 pm (UTC)Oh gosh, I hadn't looked at it like that. It might also be why he's made a decision to go this way - not thinking clearly about it. Maybe? It's so hard to know. I really wish he'd come out and say something, but maybe he feels it's not that important and not worth mentioning. Ack. I just don't know.
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Date: 2015-07-25 06:00 pm (UTC)Finding out this further aspect, I totally feel like this is a Spilo creation 100%. Maybe they're running stuff past Jared for the headline, but c'mon, he doesn't have time to actually read all that stuff. I already thought that the majority is all manufactured shit.
I'm going to keep following him on facebook because what he does there (barring the new postings from the crapsite) is really him. But sadly, the "official" website will not see any clicks from me.
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Date: 2015-07-25 07:21 pm (UTC)the first post i saw was the one about the best dad's of the year and his comment about not being #1. i thought was a weird thing for him to say.
then the next one was about the social experiment about the lost girl, and i thought, wow he has time to browse the internet?
his facebook has always been like a personal connection from him to his fans.
and now it's changed and it bothers me.
i'll be reading that tumblr post, but yeah, it's not as special as before.
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Date: 2015-07-26 07:57 am (UTC)Maybe he'll make the website better, maybe he'll delete the whole thing, maybe he'll start only posting pictures of food. Does it matter? He's trying something that may or may not work and isnt that what life is about?
I remember back to all the flack Misha copped over the Rhino puzzle challenge. If he had've stopped after that, GISHWHES and its magnificence would never have been born!
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Date: 2015-07-27 09:16 pm (UTC)It reminds me of what happened with James Marsters' website. The domain was originally bought by a fan who created what I gathered was an informative, useful webpage. When he decided he wanted to commercialize it, the fan turned the domain over to him. He spoke frankly to fans that the people running the site were smart guys who told him how he could make money with it. I don't know if that turned out to be true but unless you wanted to buy autographed photos it was definitely not an improvement. There was also controversy over his manager writing entries supposedly from him that was revealed when he was asked about the posts at a convention and said simply that he didn't write them.
Although I haven't visited in some time, a friend who recently got into Buffy complained to me about how useless it was to know about upcoming news on him -- new jobs, con appearances, etc. She had to go to fan sites to actually find information she wanted.
A lot of celebrities are pretty dumb when it comes to the Internet and how things work in terms of self-marketing. If someone tells them they can get an income stream they rarely think past what it might cost them in terms of their reputation or fan relations, especially since the people selling them on the concept either don't care or don't want them to know.
Realistically it's rarely a celebrity's own site that is the major hub of activity for their fans, in part because it's rarely timely or truly interesting in the way fans want it to be. That's because in order for it to be well run it needs paid employees and that costs money rather than making it, and the employee(s) need to be in close contact with the celebrity and have a long-term plan for the site. Honestly, if celebrities thought their webpages could be used to get them work in the industry they'd probably approach it very differently. I really doubt they'd go this route.
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Date: 2015-07-30 01:06 pm (UTC)It's interesting to note that nothing has been posted to the site since 25th July, so I'm hoping it' either going to just go away for maybe it will be re-vamped and Jared will go a different route. I have noticed he's posted more "personal" things to his Facebook. Maybe he's realised that that's what fans love, not these re-hashed monetising links.
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