Something I'm curious about…(S11)

[ash48]

I was going to tweet this, but then remembered twitter is awful for conversations. Or even just making a potentially controversial statement.

So I'll put it in my fave place to post stuff. :)



I'm seeing a lot comments around the place that having Lucifer out of the cage disregards (whitewashes, demeans, trivialises etc) Sam's story line in S5. That the current storyline means that everything Sam did back then was for nothing.

I'm not clear why this is the sentiment? Nothing changes about what happened in the past. That will always be part of his storyline - and he'll always be the character that did that.

Lucifer being out now is merely a current storyline for the show. I totally accept that people are not liking it (for many various reasons), but what's happening now seems to be in conjunction to what happened back then - not totally aside from it (?).

I'm not asking whether it's a "good" storyline (I know there will be a heap of different reactions to that kind of question *g*) but simply asking why Sam's past storyline has diminished because of the current one?


(Note: This shouldn't need to be stated - because I think you guys know me well enough by now - but I'm not asking this to pick a fight. I am genuinely curious. Perhaps I am missing something that many others are seeing?).

Comments

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

I never even thought that - mmm. Now I have thought about it, I don't see it's an issue. It doesn't make Sam's achievement in Season 5 any less impressive for me - Sam was still a mere human who managed to subdue an archangel long enough to take said archangel down. Whatever happens, that was kickass and heroic and a huge achievement. Having Cas wrestle control off Lucifer for a minute doesn't negate that. After all Cas is an angel and you'd expect him to be stronger than a human anyhow.

I do have an issue with Castiel still being inside his vessel though, because why would he be? A human is tied to their body but an angel is only occupying any body he/she's chosen so I don't see any reason for Cas still being there (except they needed to stop Lucifer from wreaking havoc and killing a Winchester or two which is exactly what's happened.

[jennytork.livejournal.com]

Re: Cas still being there -- to me, it shows how truly human Castiel is becoming. He's got an angel's power with a human heart. The best of both worlds.

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

Now I like that way of looking at Cas - it's a more generous hearted approach than mine!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the more I read the comments the more I can see why I've not seen it as an issue either. That said, I can understand how others feel because the Show does do things to Sam that seem to take away from his character (first half s8 anyone?).

Yeah, I never thought about why Cas is still in there. I'm thinking Lucifer has him trapped maybe. Sam had an angel and a demon in him at the same time in S9 so it might be the same thing. Though I do like the comment below. In fact, I think Cas's "humaness" is being explored more and more. He's certainly becoming more Winchester like - making rash decisions thinking they will help, but in fact they make things worse... *g*

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

It's been interesting to read what other people were thinking about this - I can now see why they were bothered about it, though I still don't see it that way myself.

I definitely like the fact that Castiel is still changing and developing as a character, it's the only thing that excuses their determination to hang onto his character when by rights he should probably have been written out by now. I'm still uncomfortable with Casifer though.