11.17 reaction/review
Mar. 31st, 2016 09:53 pmI feel like forever since I've done this but…*deep breath*
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE \o/
Holy fuck! What an episode! What a ride!
I can't remember an episode that had me SO nervous and on the edge of my seat. I was totally taken on that journey. Even though I KNEW they would both be ok I was still so damn worried! At no point in the episode I could imagine where they were going or how they were going to resolve it.
And I actually cried. Cried! I really felt Sam's death and Dean's utter desperation and loss. I confess I haven't always felt that over their deaths - probably not since Swan Song have I felt a real sadness. Even though I knew Sam would be ok, it was the way it was done and Dean's incredible reaction that made it feel so damn sad and real.
The episode was so wonderfully constructed. I'm not always a fan of showing us what happens in the future and then going back (I actually did a little sigh when the "48 hours earlier" came up), but the cutting between the future and present was so tight and beautifully paced I was totally sucked into it.
The directing was sharp (congrats to new director Nina Lopez-Corrado) and the acting was top notch. I felt Jensen gave one of his best performances in a while (ok, he's always solid but the emotion was well controlled and fucking deep), Jared balanced the enormous amount of hurt with awesome kick-assery and Erin Way as Michelle was a standout guest star - giving a nuanced performance that beautifully reflected what was going on in Dean. The writing was inspired! Berens and Dabb made for a great partnership. More please you guys!
But it was the Epic Love Story of Sam and Dean that was the star of this episode. Possibly not since Mystery Spot have they written that story so well in one episode. I mean, the "love story" is constant and is seen over long periods (and in the climaxes of the season finales), but rarely all in one episode. This episode not only captured their love but actually delved into what that love is about and highlighted why it is so deep.
Since S8 I have been made to question their love for each other - as in, how "healthy" is it, is it damaging etc. We've been shown a Sam and Dean who have been willing to hurt the other (and the world) in order to keep each alive. They've appeared selfish and overly co-dependant. Even downright mean. I remember actually writing once that they would be better off apart at one point (argh!) It always felt like the Show was making some sort of deep comment about their relationship, but as S10 ended it looked like there was never really a comment to be had - they were just using their relationship as a way to build tension and create angst and drama.
Now, in S11, they seem to have turned that corner and instead of exploring their relationship in a negative way they've started to explore it more meaningful and positive way - as in, looking at their love and need for each other in a way that doesn't compromise their characters.
This episode explored the layers of their relationship without being either melodramatic or shallow. When Dean saw Sam dead what flooded through my mind was how is Dean going to carry on the fight without the only person who has been through everything (everything!) with him. Sure, it explored Dean's need for Sam to be alive (as many episodes have) but it really struck me this time why Dean needs Sam to be alive. It's no longer just "look out for Sam" but rather "How do I go on in this life? How do I keep going? How do I continue to fight? Who would I turn to? Who would I talk to? Laugh with? Cry with?" Somehow (and maybe I read into it more than was there?) this episode made me really understand the complete need they have for each other. How the other keeps them sane, keeps them fighting, keeps them strong. I know this isn't new to the show at all (Sam's first death in AHBL brought much of that home, as did Dean's deaths in Mystery Spot) but it's been so long since I've really felt the Show has understood that. Or taken that angle. Perhaps it was Jensen's performance or maybe it was the way Sam "died" (horrifically and unfairly) - I don't really know what it was, but boy whatever it was it worked for me.
I also loved that Dean was allowed to be Dean. He was allowed to feel the devastation of Sam's death and be determined to bring him back, but not at the expense of some of his core values. One of the strongest moments was when Dean left "dead" Sam in order to help the survivors. This felt like an amazingly (positive) step for Dean, in that he actually attended to people outside of Sam for that moment. He allowed Sam to be dead so he could help those in direct need. He always knew he'd be back, but also fulfilled the "saving people" part of the bumper sticker. I was very proud of him!
I'm sure many felt that there should have been a hug somewhere in the episode - and I thought there would have been one, but I'm actually glad it didn't happen. We didn't need it to know how Dean felt. There was a moment at the end - when Sam collapsed in the hospital - that I thought Dean would rush to Sam and hug him. But instead he just looked at him and soaked up the fact that he was alive. The relief, the love, the admiration was all there (did I mention one of Jensen's best performances?). Also, Dean's "what took you so long?" was perfect.
Then of course there was the Romeo and Juliet moment that had my heart racing and singing at the same time. Dean thinks Sam is dead so takes poison to kill himself too - only to find that Sam isn't actually dead. Luckily it didn't go the way of Romeo and Juliet - both dead (this time! Maybe that will be the way the show finally ends…).
And then finally Michelle speaks Dean's mind by saying she watched the man she loves dies and that there is no way she'll be normal again. Such an amazing line because it speaks of neither Sam or Dean being "normal" since they witnessed their first deaths of the other - Sam in AHBL and Dean in No Rest for the Wicked. They are not normal - never will be.
I haven't spoken much about Sam because even though he was amazing (Sam FUCKING Winchester for the win!) this was a Dean centric episode. It was about him and Sam being dead. It was about not being able to let go, not being able to live without Sam. It was Billie's truth that Sam needs to be alive for him, not for Sam. A recurring theme, but better handled than it's been for a long time.
Though I do just have to mention Sam a bit *g* - he was fucking unstoppable! Shot, chocked, beaten and yet able to fight off the monsters AND save Dean. His determination to save Dean was just as fierce. And the hurt!Sam was OFF THE PLANET! Also - Sam's ability to cope with ridiculous amounts of pain is the result of being in the cage (head canon).
Love that Billie doesn't want to make deals. Though I do wonder what the death of Death has actually meant for the world (nothing it seems?).
So yeah, totally loved it! Definitely my favourite episode this season - might even be up there as one of my faves since S8!!
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Date: 2016-03-31 02:04 pm (UTC)Pretty much everything you said. <3
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Date: 2016-04-01 12:48 am (UTC)I think this time they gave us more reasons for Dean wanting Sam alive - not just the loss for himself (which I do actually think Dean struggles with), but also because he knows he can't defeat The Darkness alone. He believes Sam will be able to kill her, where he isn't able to. I think Dean also (still) considers that he has somehow failed Sam when he dies. I think this episode did what many haven't been able to do when it comes to this issue - present a situation that doesn't judge either one of them for their actions. Now, that might just be me and my personal reaction to it, but I didn't feel the characters (particularly Dean) were compromised this time (killing yourself might be kinda stupid, but not outside of his character).
I think I also reacted on a very personal level in "seeing" and really understanding what their lives would be like without the other. It hit me hard. In the past I have been "let your brother die and rest in peace" but now I'm "save him! You keep each other strong!"
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Date: 2016-03-31 03:34 pm (UTC)having my heart ripped outthe episode!! LOLno subject
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Date: 2016-03-31 03:44 pm (UTC)Another comment I made somewhere along the roller-coaster was "This isn't even SPN!!!" (which was my way of saying, in the, uh, "heat of the moment", that it was an amazing departure even for a show that's never relied heavily on formula).
It was such a refreshing and exciting episode, especially given that we're in season-freakin'-ELEVEN. They keep bringing it.
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Date: 2016-04-01 01:04 am (UTC)And I agree it was an amazing departure - we rarely get an episode focused so heavily on one of them being mortally wounded during the episode (mostly happens in a finale). So exciting!
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Date: 2016-03-31 03:55 pm (UTC)Ash, ASH.
This episode.
I don't know if I can collect any better response than what you've done. This is probably my fave of S11 so far. SEASON ELEVEN, THE SEASON WE RE-FOUND SAM AND DEAN.
You know what amazes me more than anything else? Season 11, as a whole. What has happened, that the show has returned to what we loved about the Kripke era? Which switch was flipped? (Is it the easing back of Singer and Carver? Is it Dabb taking on more steering of the helm? Just spitballing, here.)
I'm still not totally sold on the Amara or Casifer threads, but what they're doing with the Winchesters is A+ #1 100% AWESOME. (Am I overkilling my glee? Perhaps! Let me have this, y'all.)
Totally agree that this was a big moment of revelation for/about Dean. I know you and I have both been craving Sam POV, but I was so, so okay with Dean's POV here, I could've cried. Might've teared up a teensy bit, no lie. Jensen was completely plugged into the emotions here, and gave one of his best performances of the season, without question. But also, anyone else think part of Sam's tenacity--through the blood loss and pain and near-death trauma--was to get back to Dean? Hands, everyone? I thought so. :)
OH! ALSO! Based on something Jared insinuated (at a recent con, I believe), I don't think Sam is quite done with the demon blood yet (Nothing concrete! And certainly nothing that touches on spoiler territory, so no worries.) But that could potentially be a small part of why he can take a licking and keep on ticking. (That, and your head canon, Ash. :D :D :D) Hey, this is me, here. I gotta hope.
MORE OH! And can we talk about the ladies?? I adored Erin Way's Michelle--more of her, please? Lisa Berry reprised her Billie the Reaper, again, whom I adored. (I watched a vidcast with her and she is a dyed-in-the-wool SPN fangirl who knows the show as well as we do. *HEARTS IN EYES* Love to have her at PittsCon.) And HELLO, the directorial debut of the incredibly talented Nina Lopez-Corrado was fantastic! She really knocked it outta the park, and the show hasn't used woman directors nearly enough.
Bob Berens has always been one of my favorite show writers. He brings a believability and gravitas to the universe, as well as a real adroitness at taking what he knows the audience loves about the show and presenting it in a way that feels fresh. Starting in media res, showing field triage...he manages to explore angles of the Winchesters' world that have always been there, yet typically unacknowledged. I absolutely squeed over Sam cracking jokes about camping, while Dean maintained his surly hate for The Outdoors. I suspect Dabb added the glibness to Beren's weight. They worked so beautifully as a team.
I was really proud of our show last night. Still am.
<3
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Date: 2016-03-31 04:06 pm (UTC)This is probably crazy, but when Dean tells Billie that Sam is the only one who can stop the Darkness (can't remember the exact line?) I believed him. I know, Billie accuses Dean of wanting Sam back for him, not just for some greater cause, but that's such old news, and Dean already knows that's true, but it feels like it's also true that Dean believes in Sam and trusts him to be the one who can ultimately stop the Darkness, since Dean obviously can't do it himself. And given the outstanding bad-assery Sam exhibits in this episode, I tend to agree with him :)
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Date: 2016-04-01 01:49 am (UTC)This! watching Sam get suffocated and then Dean froth at the mouth was ugly dying. It weren't "easy" deaths and I think that's what made the episode so stressful. And Dean not knowing how or why Sam died added to the angst levels. Ack! And then Sam was alive and Dean was dying…MY HEART!
This is probably crazy, but when Dean tells Billie that Sam is the only one who can stop the Darkness (can't remember the exact line?) I believed him.
Haha! Not crazy! Dean truly believes this. Sam has told him he has his back on that and Dean knows what Sam is capable of. Dean is hanging onto the fact that one of them will be able to finish The Darkness - he knows he can't (though he has actually got the knife in, it's just not worked. I still wonder why he's convinced himself he can't do the dead if necessary. Dean can do anything! :D), so he's counting on Sam being able to.
Though - they have so many problems to deal with. The Darkness is big, but Lucifer out has to be just as big I would have thought. Hee, I suppose we'll have to wait to see what happens (I want it now!).
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Date: 2016-03-31 05:01 pm (UTC)This season is such a pleasure to me because it feels like the Show has finally followed up on all the tentative truce offerings we've got from them in the last few seasons. I hope they continue on this path. :)
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Date: 2016-04-01 01:58 am (UTC)Oh I hope they continue on this path too. I'm so scared they'll revert to the deceit and nastiness - but after 17 episodes it's looking promising they won't. :))
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Date: 2016-03-31 05:14 pm (UTC)I'll watch it again when I feel more like myself.
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Date: 2016-04-01 02:01 am (UTC)yes yes! This! The choking was so unexpected. I thought Sam would just bleed out - but to have that added brutality and without Dean knowing - just upped the distress and tension.
Enjoy the re-watch! I'm looking forward to it now that I know what happens. :))
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Date: 2016-04-01 12:26 am (UTC)And I didn't feel Dean lied at the end, he just didn't tell Sam the whole truth at that moment. Namely because I think Sam knows Dean would have done something he wouldn't have approved of and that's not a "quick" conversation. The point was more about seeing Dean just not accept Sam as dead. He can't and won't ever accept that (which is seriously messed but, but that's nothing knew for either Dean or the show *g*).
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Date: 2016-03-31 07:09 pm (UTC)And that was me after..
What an episode! What a ride indeed! :D
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Date: 2016-03-31 10:06 pm (UTC)Bravo show!
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Date: 2016-04-01 04:39 am (UTC)I'm amazed I've been able to feel this after all this time (and deaths). Amazed and happy! Yay Show!
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Date: 2016-04-01 12:49 am (UTC)I do wonder what the death of Death has actually meant for the world
It is my personal headcanon that you can't truly kill Death and that Billie is actually the new Death... Awesome character either way (love the actress too) and hope we see a lot more of her.
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Date: 2016-04-01 12:54 am (UTC)I have so enjoyed this season, which feels nothing short of a miracle to me. Thank you again for these recaps. Makes episodes like this one even more sweet. :-)
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Date: 2016-04-03 01:13 am (UTC)The pain definitely felt like those earlier days. Brutal and real. Kudos to both Jared and Jensen for putting so much heart into their performances. <3
It's so nice to be still on a high (and enjoying fandom) again. It gives me hope for S12 - if they can produce eps like this I will be a happy fangirl (even if it just means them continuing to work together - without the deceit).
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Date: 2016-04-01 02:54 am (UTC)I thought Sam's gunshot wound was perhaps the most affecting (to me, not to him – he kept right on hunting!) physical injury either of them have suffered during the show. All that blood, and it seemed so serious. He did a great job of acting the pain.
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Date: 2016-04-03 01:17 am (UTC)I agree! I'm glad I have a glass of wine in my hand when I was watching it! :)
I thought Sam's gunshot wound was perhaps the most affecting
It really got me at first. I actually thought Sam was dead right then and the rest of the episode was going to be about Dean getting him back. I think the suffocating hit me harder because it was so unexpected and knowing Dean was just outside made me think he'd get in just in time. And he didn't! Argh - they played with our hearts!
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Date: 2016-04-01 09:53 am (UTC)It's no longer just "look out for Sam" but rather "How do I go on in this life? How do I keep going? How do I continue to fight? Who would I turn to? Who would I talk to? Laugh with? Cry with?" Somehow this episode made me really understand the complete need they have for each other. How the other keeps them sane, keeps them fighting, keeps them strong.
YES. That's not new to the show at all. But it was handled so well here, and we got to see their need for each other in a totally different, in a positive light. In the past, their co-dependency turned ugly sometimes. This time, we saw that it makes them a better person. Dean leaving dead Sam to help Michelle and Corbin was exactly what Sam would want him to do. He did it in his memory, so to speak. And I'm sure that he just came back from his overdose cos Billie told him that Sam was alive - it re-ignited his will to live. And Sam was so badass just cos he wanted to get back to Dean, and save him from Corbin the werewolf. (I totally accept your headcanon as to why he can handle so much pain. Oh, btw, there might have been a positive side to what Corbin did to him - Sam in shock with almost no pulse would prevent him from bleeding out, right?)
So yes. What we saw here were the boys being true to their core values, as you say, and helping people and themselves because of their love for each other. Their need for each other makes them stronger, it makes them better persons, it keeps them alive. I LOVED that. That's Supernatural. And I'm so, so, so happy SPN remembered that. Cos that's what our show is about!!!
(Oh and also, all this brilliant Hurt!Sam and Hurt!Dean and concerned Dean taking care of his Sammy so, so lovingly - be still my heart! <3 <3 <3)
Dear Supernatural. 11 seasons in, and you still remind us why we love you so much! <3
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Date: 2016-04-01 11:44 am (UTC)Welcome back Supernatural.
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Date: 2016-04-01 12:31 pm (UTC)So much h/c to squee about, but the heart of the ep and brotherly relationship just worked. And I think showing those backstory snippets was perfect, because juxtaposed with the blood, the 'deaths' and grief and loss, it showed was Dean was losing, what was at stake. The Empty is really working for me as a way to put fear back into a Winchesters death to the audience, and we've had Billie now tell both boys separately that she will reap, that there won't be a second chance. And I believe her. I feel like maybe they gave us this 'death' now, because we're not going to see one in the finale, and I'd be happy with that. If one of them does go the Empty, then the other one with have to get them out, and then we're back to square one. I think maybe they might team up with Billie and put Amara in the Empty...but hey, either way, I'm looking forward to finding out. Also Rob seems to be hanging around the set lately it would seem (as per tweets and facebook), so are we going to get Chuck back?????!!!!!!!
*takes a breath and calms down*
Such a strong episode all around!!! I felt all of it in a variety of rainbow feels \o/
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Date: 2016-04-01 05:10 pm (UTC)And it´s great to see I´m not the only one.
I have to say it was good to see bad ass Sam (Big W).
And Dean seeing Sam dead reminded me of AHBL
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Date: 2016-04-02 09:28 am (UTC)This episode gave us so many wonderful Sam moments that were sorely lacking in the last couple of seasons. Hurt!Sam, BAMF!Sam, Determined!Sam; I'm going to roll around and squee about this for quite a while. It had a few moments where I had to handwave stuff, but nothing could take away from the fabulousness. I actually really liked the fact that it was pretty much all Dean's POV because it really worked. Jensen was great, Jared was wonderful, and the brotherly love was magnificent.
The only real fault I could pick in this episode, and it was rather a big one that didn't make much sense (but I'm willing to handwave it away) was that although Dean overdosed and Billie showed up as expected, Sam was gutshot, bleeding out, was choked into unconsciousness and dying, but no reaper showed. Billie wasn't even aware he was close to death. I thought it was weird, and it wasn't explained. How the hell did Sam survive? Did God himself intervene? I hope (but won't hold my breath) that the answer may play a part in a future episode.
I am also deeply glad that they actually showed what happens with a barbiturate overdose. On many TV shows and movies when someone takes an overdose they lapse into unconsciousness and look like they're sleeping when they die. That is SO far from the truth! It always bugs me and worries me that people on the brink will see it as a peaceful way to die; it's not. You seize, you froth at the mouth, and it's ugly. That they addressed that properly was a great piece of writing.
Like others have mentioned I do have to wonder if the show is better because Carver has taken a step back. The injection of a great new female writer and a new female director is also making things fresher. Last week we had an Asian character that was in no way stereotypical, and we had lesbian parents written as just another couple like the norm that it is. It's like Supernatural has a whole new lease on life this season, and considering it's eleven years into a show that by all rights should be feeling tired, it's such a breath of fresh air.
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Date: 2016-04-09 03:47 am (UTC)And I'd love to think the show is willing to take a new direction if Carver steps back. I would love to see Berens WITH Dabb take the helm (not just Dabb by himself - but it looks likes it might be just Dabb).
*clings tight* to this episode!
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Date: 2016-07-17 02:16 pm (UTC)I don't buy any of the darkness and God thing they try to sell. They introduced a new big arc but didn't work on the details, so everything about the new bad was superficial and flat.
But this is real. This thing between Sam and Dean, because it's built on the previous 10 seasons, especially the earlier ones, so it immediately connected to the brothers' history, and I was reminded why I started watching the show in the first place.
I love that Sam got back on his feet and fought his way out on his own. I also love that Dean didn't tell Sam he was too desperate to care if he acted too reckless to bring Sam back, even if he could die in the process.
This felt like them.
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Date: 2016-07-19 11:54 am (UTC)Best episode of the season. And in fact, of the last 4 years I'd say. It had so much that was THEM. It's also frustrating because they give us this to show us they KNOW what they are made of and then give us a pile of *koff* crap that shows us they don't. Still, at least there was this one (and a couple of others this season) that made it worthwhile (now I just have to try and forget the myth act ;D)