This is not my usual self...

[ash48]

Please turn back now if you don't want negative response (and I really mean that!) . I usually like to cool down after an episode that I don't like before I post but I NEED to rant and let off some steam. I figure this is the place to do it because, well, it's my journal and I have it because of this show. And at the moment I am so, SO pissed that I have to let it out...


So turn away now. This ain't pretty.


I HATED that episode. With a passion. And yes "passion" because that's how I feel about my show and I honestly cannot remember the last time I was this disappointed and distressed over an episode. I have not actually "hated" an episode before. Disliked... yes. Was kinda bored... yes. Hated.. no. Until now.

To me, that episode made NO SENSE! And honestly..turn back now because here is where I rant... (and please do because I do not want to lose friends over this).

Dean leaving Sam to trust a demon MAKES NO SENSE!! This is where I began to lose it. I thought. Ok. Dean has a plan. This could be really clever... but NO! It wasn't. Dean didn't have a plan. He acted like a stupid, unprepared idiot and I hated the writers for that. Because really? With ALL of Dean's experience he should know better than that. And why. Why did Dean trust the demon that quintessentially got Jo and Ellen killed??!!! He's the one that kept telling Sam "demons lie" and yet he was prepared to trust and FOLLOW a demon. Over Sam!! I thought we'd got past that already. We were suppose to be back to them working TOGETHER... god damnit!

And I hated Crowley. And not in the "love to hate" category that Gordon, Alistair, Zach, Ruby occupy. It was a ... "you are so obviously a sleezy, un-trust worthy, fingers down a blackboard irritating baddy" that I just...No. I just couldn't. (And to think I really liked him in the other episode. Maybe that's because he wasn't in it much. Or something...)

And I'm sorry. But the acting was... let's just say they've done better. They were both back to their narrow-eyes "I'm angry now", looks. I adore Jared to little tiny pieces as you know, but this felt so forced from him. All the .."I'm angry" stuff was...sorry, but I didn't believe it. Jensen did the best with what he had. But really? What did he have? "Oh, I have to act like an idiot now". *sheesh*

And... *grrrrr*... Sam shutting Dean in the bathroom to.... what?? Look all angry at the demon?! Stand there and be taunted by a demon that really he shouldn't even be LISTENING to! Give me a break! See this (I think) was about us seeing that Sam had control. He could control his anger. I don't know why but I kinda never doubted that. He's Sam. He will control it when he needs to. Sam shutting Dean out just didn't make sense at this point in time. It only served to piss me off even more.

Oh.... *sigh*.. was I just not in the right sort of mood to watch this one tonight?

And the straw. The STRAW I tell you, was the final scene with Bobby considering that arse-hole's proposal. I actually rose out of my seat at one point and shouted at the screen "You've got to be KIDDING me!" And then Bobby shot him and I was like "AT LAST! Go Bobby! Finally, something that makes sense in this stupid episode and then... fuck me if the ep didn't end with the idea that Bobby might actually be considering "lending" is soul! FUCK THAT!

Why the fuck are they even LISTENING to demons?! I just don't get that! Surely, they've learned... :((((

I don't know. It just seemed hollow and a "filler" (we are 2 eps out from the finale for christ sake!). Fundamentally it came down to how stupid they made Dean. How pointless, and to be quite frank, boring all that stuff with Sam seemed. (though I did love the back story I will grant it that).

Tell me I missed something. Please. Tell me there was something actually relevant about that episode. I just loved the end of the last episode and I was all excited about seeing Pestilence again. But alas. It was all about finding him. They usually find their foe in the first 10 minutes and it goes from there. This took a whole episode to get no where.

And it didn't even seem to have the wonderful colour meta it had going on in previous episodes. It kinda looked ugly. But maybe that was the point.

It seems to me that with 2 episodes to go they are going to cram getting Pest's and Death's ring to lock Lu up. And that will be the main focus. If that's the case that will make me sad and quite possibly very angry.

But.

I am going to trust show. I always have. Though I admit to being scared now. I so desperately want the finale to be clever. I want the boys to be clever and together. If the Winchesters are on the outskirts of all this (which they seem to have been in these last 2 eps), then.... Well, let's just not think about that. I'm sure they won't be. *nods vigorously*

Positives: Sam's chat to Bobby. The end when Dean and Sam stood side by side behind the salt line. Dean almost seeming proud of the way Sam dispatched the demon- It was almost like he was thinking "he can do that without the demon blood". The actor who played Crowley did a good job, even though I hated the fact that he played Dean so friggin' easily). I would say bloodied Dean (yep, I'm a sucker for my hurt boys), but why would a demon kick a human when he crush him with a flick of his hand. No sense.

So um.. you're still here? Do you hate me? *meep* I'm sorry. I almost never negatively rant. Forgive me this one time.

*sniffs* and *hugs* I love my show. I wouldn't care this much if I didn't.

<3

Comments

[thandie.livejournal.com]

I have been in 'I hate this' mood for the past 10 episodes, I totally understand what you mean. I have different reasons why I'm disappointed, but point is: they are messing up hugely here. And we are approaching the finale, how are they going to redeem a whole season in two episodes? They can't.

I didn't even watch this one, it was enough for me to know that Castiel still is AWOL with no explanation and no one even WORRYING over him being gone. That's all I really cared about tbh.

"I love my show. I wouldn't care this much if I didn't."
I'm not even sure of this anymore! :( I'll have to make my personal rant after watching this one, maybe it'll make me feel better if I unleash properly.

<3

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

No worries! I'm sure there are many people who agreed, and all your points do make sense to me.

I'll tell you which scene I loved and that's the scene between Bobby and Sam over the phone. I loved Bobby's gruff, appalled horror at Sam's drunken plan, and honestly, the fact that Sam came up with it and voiced it while drunk gives me hope that he won't actually carry through with it.

Because isn't it one of Sam's few options... say yes to Lucifer and then find some way to trick him from the inside? Literally? I loved Bobby's "are you trying to kill me?" because Sam's death on top of everything else could kill Bobby. Sam might see himself as dispensable in this, but Bobby doesn't. Loved that.

Loved Crowley's like about sins and saints and centuries because it sounded so pretty.

But I do agree with you on many of your points, especially Dean's motivation in this one. Couldn't understand why he suddenly trusted demons, because that is so not Dean. I think I missed how Dean got away from Brady. It seemed like the editing was messed up.

So again, no worries. You wouldn't be disappointed, if you didn't care. It's hard loving a show this much, isn't it? :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I have been in 'I hate this' mood for the past 10 episodes,

Oh dear. :( For me I have to say haven't. I've been really enjoying it. I mean, I cry and feel emotional but I always trust that it's all for a reason. I haven't even minded the brothers being at odds with each other because I have trusted that they will come back together and that WILL BE THE WHOLE POINT.

I kinda go along for the ride. But I really hate it when they make either one of them look stupid. And Dean agreeing to leaving Sam behind is just plain stupid.

And I agree about having no thought about Cas in this. It's like he's never existed. And even though I'm not exactly a Cas fan, I have liked the relationship he has built with the boys. His character has lent some warmth to the episodes and that was really lost in this one.

I'm not even sure of this anymore!

I must say if I felt like this after the last 10 eps then I would be long since gone. But this is the only one. I can't help but be enthralled by the pretty still *is shallow*, but even the pretty did do it for me this time. :(

And ranting helped. I trust people to turn away who don't want to read because I do on negative posts I don't want to read. I generally don't like to be negative. I feel much better when I rant positively. But I had to get that out. So yeah. It might help you to. :)

*hugs*

[redteekal.livejournal.com]

Nah I don't hate you :) *hugs*

I can see why you feel this way - for me it did echo (and not in a good way at all since I was NOT a fan of this episode) Swap Meat with the OOCness of Dean.

I seriously thought Dean was being all sneaky telling Crowley fine we leave Sam but in actual fact Sam was gonna be there the whole time. Not sure how he was going to finagle it but I just assumed this is what Dean was doing because to do what he did just seemed incredibly UN-Dean and totally OOC. So yeah that was bizarre. I did like Sam's reaction to Crowley initially though - all "I'm fucking gonna kill him" type behaviour - fair enough too.

Crowley amused me in a bizarre, detached clinical way - he's really just a cockroach and his lines are as slick as the snakeoil Bobby referred to.

I thought the whole scene with the chair jammed under the door handle was really just a set up so that they could balance out the proof of trust/faith Sam showed in Point Of No Return. Dean insisted they returned to Sam even after he knew their (Sam and Brady's) past history and Sam's reaction. Like Sam insisted they take Dean to go get Adam. Sam is incapacitated there leaving the entire choice on Dean's shoulders. Dean was locked up leaving the entire choice on Sam's shoulders. Although it was extra for the viewers I think it served it's purpose in validating Dean's faith in Sam.

And as much as I hate to admit it - Jared didn't do the best there at the end. I loved the SamnDean united front/togetherness of that scene and Dean utterly on Sam's side here but as Sam just moves in on Brady Jared didn't quite pull it off. I was waiting for something a little Jensen-style a la On The Head of a Pin when he was torturing Alistair. He was some cold blooded mean mother fucker there. That's the level I was watching for. I loved his fierce Sam at the beginning when Crowley shows up and also when he finds out about Brady for the first time...but the final scene...well meh.

Not as bad as Swap Meat for me frustration wise but certainly it felt distinctly incongruous with the way the episodes have been running lately and that had an impact on my enjoyment for sure.

[meltingconfetti.livejournal.com]

Well, when you put it THAT way... I totally get your rant. Yes, Dean was acting like a right idiot (and for what reason? Because he had no other leads?) And yes, the acting could have been better... In hindsight, it was Crowley and Brady who made the show for me.

Admittedly, I liked this episode for extremely shallow reasons. That's all I got from it! ;)

[mara-snh.livejournal.com]

You articulated my sentiments exactly. Show is turning into a bad comic book. And it's like they're racing to an ending just to get it the hell over with.

[secretlytodream.livejournal.com]

Hm, not sure that I *hated* this ep, but I can say that I was a little disappointed, you know? Well, yeah, it seems like all 20th episodes are like....something calm before the storm or something? But 120, 220, 420 - thos eps were kinda more interesting. Yeah, we saw a glimpse to Sam's past....but it was like WTF?! They showed us new demon and then BAM - they killed him. What's left? Just more questions.

Though right now I think that there 2 episodes left will be huge....*__*

[phx69.livejournal.com]

Well. I will admit, my first impression was to not be impressed, however the more I thought about it and the second time I watched it with my hubby, I got more out of it.

Little things like: I think Sam is onto something with his plan. I liked that he told Bobby about it and said he wouldn't it without Dean and Bobby's support. That is a HUGE thing considering how Sam has always tried to do things himself perviously. We see real growth and learning here.

Also, Dean brought Brady back to the house because he TRUSTED Sam with this and even told Sam that. Also a big thing.

AND, finally, Sam got closure on Jessica's death. Finally. He got to kill the demon that killed her, kinda like how Dean got to kill the demon that killed their mother. I loved that Dean stood inside the salt lines with Sam but let this play out how Sam wanted. Still ready to be there if Brady got the upper hand but appreciating and allowing this one thing for Sam.

Plus, the Sam girl in me is positive that after Sam left - again, which Dean let him do knowing his brother needed space right now - I am certain Sam emotionally collapsed. Killing Jessica's killer? Bringing her death justice? That is huge.

There are many things I didn't like and personally could have done without more Deanwhump and I found it fairly slow moving and don't like Crowley either, but overall it wasn't bad. I did hate Dean going with the demon though. That was just stupid. And I totally agree - Dean was being niave, stupid and ineffectual in this. I hate when he or Sam is written this way.

Anyways, I hope that helps you get something from this train wreck :0)

[thandie.livejournal.com]

I haven't even minded the brothers being at odds with each other because I have trusted that they will come back together and that WILL BE THE WHOLE POINT.
I think it probably comes down to this. I just can't keep enjoying the show because I've fallen out of love with the whole Sam&Dean thing. It's not for the plot (or the lack of it), but more because of how they interact with each other lately...the actors seem a little out of it.
This is, of course, a personal view on this. It might just be that *I*'m seeing them differently because of the issues I have about this season, not because of them lacking sparkle when they act.

"I cry and feel emotional but I always trust that it's all for a reason"
Another point that makes me think I'm out of it lately. I've never felt emotional about this show during this second half of season. Not once. I didn't bat a lash when Gabriel died either...

Gosh. I'll have to find a way to get into it again for a while, because I need to make my SC video now, and I've bought already a pass for the Italian Con next year! LOL. Oh me...

[lsketch42.livejournal.com]

I can't read your post or the comments because I haven't watched the eppy yet but just tell me...should I not watch it? Is it going to make me angry? *cringes*

[ancastar.livejournal.com]

You and I had similar reactions to this ep with the difference being I really liked Crowley. I have no problem with the guys being thrown into this (very) uneasy alliance with someone they know will screw them, given half a chance. But for Dean to choose Crowley over Sam, when they'd just reconciled made him the biggest hypocrite imaginable. Particularly when he knows Crowley is evil. At least Sam believed Ruby was on his side.

In other news--JP wasn't good (with a few exceptions--such as the phone call with Bobby), and JA made no impression on me at all.

I wasn't crazy about the ep (in case you can't tell...)

:-|

[callme-k.livejournal.com]

It's the "Bugs" of S5. Didn't hate it, but doubt it'll get much of a rewatch.

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

Aww....I'm sorry to hear this epi didn't work for you (at all!). *tries to comfort*

I do get your point. *hugs tight*

[smilla02.livejournal.com]

*hugs* It's horrible when an episode doesn't work. I said why it did on my post, although I wasn't particularly excited or even satisfied at the end of the episode.

[amnisias.livejournal.com]

Completely beside the point, but - There's gonna be another con in Italie next year? You got a link? - Back on topic.

[thandie.livejournal.com]

Yes! :)
http://jusinbello.it/
I'm afraid all the Angel passes (close to the stage) were sold out days ago, but there are still other kinds of passes available, I think. If you decide to buy one I suggest you do it quickly!

[varkelton]

I was too busy giggling like a little girl over Crowly's line about the things he heard in the Impala to be anything but amused by this episode, but I definitely see what you're saying about Dean. Very hypocritical. He should have at least discussed it with Sam. Begged Sam to understand that he couldn't let their only lead walk away (because if he didn't believe that, then, WTF?) I mean, I kind of got that, but it didn't look like Sam did, and that should have been clear to Dean.

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

I'm in the neutral zone on this ep. Didn't love it. Didn't hate it.

I see valid points in your post. Mostly I'm commenting just to say that even I (or others) don't agree with your reaction to this post--I firmly believe we all are allowed to express *whatever* our opinions on around SPN episodes.

And the one thing I have to add is that at one point when Sam/Jared was all "squinty eyed" in anger I was somehow pushed out of the moment and found myself thinking that it looked like Jared was "acting"--in other words, I could see Jared acting rather than Sam getting angry. I also love Jared to bits and love his portrayal of Sam--but I have to admit I found myself thinking that at that instance. Someone else pointed out that this was the ep during which Jared took off for his marriage--perhaps he was distracted by other...kinda important...stuff.

I love Crowley--perhaps mostly because I love Mark Sheppard. I did have your reaction to Dean going with a demon over Sam. But it wasn't until I read your reaction that I found myself realizing just how uber-"trusting" Dean really was --and you're right, perhaps that's too OOC for Dean at this point in his evolution.

But I'm still in the "this is ok" episode mood. I'm enjoying the ride.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Gosh. I'll have to find a way to get into it again for a while, because I need to make my SC video now, and I've bought already a pass for the Italian Con next year! LOL. Oh me..

Oh yes. Going to a con when you're not feeling excited about the show would be tough... And I'd like to say things will get better, but I am beginning to worry now that they won't....:(

Hopefully next season will be better for you... *fingers crossed*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

First up *hugs* you hard, because I very seldom negatively rant and I feel kinda bad for doing it this time. So thanks.

And I agree. I did like both Bobby and Sam sharing a drink over the phone and Sam talking to Bobby about another option he has. But god, I hope he doesn't try that one. Though he might, because I think that ep was about how strong Sam could be so maybe there is a thought that he could control Satin from within. (Though he couldn't control Meg. Admittedly he is more experienced now though).

I actually liked the actor who played Crowley. He put a lot of passion into the role and he was convincing. (more so than the J's this time round I think). I just can't tell whether we, as audience members, are suppose to feel sorry for him and understand his motives and therefore understand why Dean and seemingly Bobby are trusting him. I just can't figure him out.

It's hard loving a show this much, isn't it?

Oh man! Why can't I just quit you show!! It amazes me how passionate I can be about this show.... I was tossing and turning in my sleep last night thinking about it.

Only 2 more episodes and then I can rest.... :D

*hugs*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Nah I don't hate you

*phew* I had visions of everyone jumping ship because I'm blasting my beloved show.

And yes, it did echo the OOCness of Swap Meat and (for me) Yellow Fever.

I seriously thought Dean was being all sneaky telling Crowley fine we leave Sam

See. I would have loved this. If they put up the front that they would split up but in fact Sam would be there all the time, watching Dean's back. I just COULDN'T BELIEVE Dean would confront that demon with out some sort of back up. And then to be dupped about the rings... I just. That's really were it started to unravel for me. Grrr...

And Crowley really is a cockroach (I did like the actor's portrayal if him) so why, oh lordy WHY are they believing him. Surely they can see that. (I think I must be missing something with this character...)

And the whole scene with Dean locked away was there exactly for the reasons you pointed out I reckon. But it just, I don't know, seemed so clunky and heavy handed. But maybe we did need to see that they trust each other (even AFTER Dean leaves Sam to follow a stupid demon!).

Can't you tell I'm still reeling. It's the next day and I'm still steaming.

Sam just moves in on Brady Jared didn't quite pull it off.

Yeah. Didn't do it for me either. In fact, I have reservations about that scene too. For Dean to stand back and "unleash" Sam seemed more like he was using Sam as a weapon. I don't know. I'm still at odds about that scene.

I think by the end, I was so over it I wasn't into anything. Especially Bobby actually listening to Crowley... I fear for the future of this idea. If Bobby sells his soul I think that might be my undoing.

*hugs* Thanks for popping in.

Any news on the Jaffa Room?

[ash48.livejournal.com]

/o\ Oh my. I did rant a bit didn't I?

In hindsight, it was Crowley and Brady who made the show for me.

Yes. In fact they both played their roles with such passion it really made J and J seem flat.

Admittedly, I liked this episode for extremely shallow reasons.

Hee! Oh hun. I wish I could have enjoyed it even for shallow reasons. Usually I can get by with just that. But not this time.. I think I was seeing red far too much.

xx

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh you too? Mostly I'm pretty cool about the way things have been going. But. I don't know. Maybe I was expecting more or something...

And it's like they're racing to an ending just to get it the hell over with.

And this concerns me. They now seem to have a lot to accomplish in 2 episodes. I am still looking forward the next to episodes (though with some trepidation now...)

xx

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee! I did get a bit passionate there didn't I. Though it's the next day now and I'm still feeling the same way... grrr.

And yes, episode 20's are curious ones. Though 2.20 still remains one of my favourites. :) And this one, quite likely, will be one of my worse...

Giving us some more of Sam's past was interesting, but I agree - they show us this guy then kill him off. It would have been great to see that developed more. Maybe. I don't know. I'm so at odds with this episode I'm not sure what I would like to have seen.

And I am so hoping that the next 2 episodes are huge! I really want to be blown away. I'm just a little bit concerned now that I won't be. But I HAVE FAITH!

*hugs*

[yourlibrarian]

Tell me I missed something. Please. Tell me there was something actually relevant about that episode.

Well, maybe. I didn't dislike it as much as you did, but I was just baffled by the turn with Dean as well. Just posted my meta if that'll be any help.

It seems to me that with 2 episodes to go they are going to cram getting Pest's and Death's ring to lock Lu up. And that will be the main focus. If that's the case that will make me sad and quite possibly very angry.

Yes, this is another thing I realized with the end of this episode is that we only have two left in which to wrap up a whole bunch of stuff. Why they can't do proper pacing on this show I will never understand. I suppose they might leave things on another cliffhanger and not actually get Lucifer caged again but, who knows.