This is not my usual self...

[ash48]

Please turn back now if you don't want negative response (and I really mean that!) . I usually like to cool down after an episode that I don't like before I post but I NEED to rant and let off some steam. I figure this is the place to do it because, well, it's my journal and I have it because of this show. And at the moment I am so, SO pissed that I have to let it out...


So turn away now. This ain't pretty.


I HATED that episode. With a passion. And yes "passion" because that's how I feel about my show and I honestly cannot remember the last time I was this disappointed and distressed over an episode. I have not actually "hated" an episode before. Disliked... yes. Was kinda bored... yes. Hated.. no. Until now.

To me, that episode made NO SENSE! And honestly..turn back now because here is where I rant... (and please do because I do not want to lose friends over this).

Dean leaving Sam to trust a demon MAKES NO SENSE!! This is where I began to lose it. I thought. Ok. Dean has a plan. This could be really clever... but NO! It wasn't. Dean didn't have a plan. He acted like a stupid, unprepared idiot and I hated the writers for that. Because really? With ALL of Dean's experience he should know better than that. And why. Why did Dean trust the demon that quintessentially got Jo and Ellen killed??!!! He's the one that kept telling Sam "demons lie" and yet he was prepared to trust and FOLLOW a demon. Over Sam!! I thought we'd got past that already. We were suppose to be back to them working TOGETHER... god damnit!

And I hated Crowley. And not in the "love to hate" category that Gordon, Alistair, Zach, Ruby occupy. It was a ... "you are so obviously a sleezy, un-trust worthy, fingers down a blackboard irritating baddy" that I just...No. I just couldn't. (And to think I really liked him in the other episode. Maybe that's because he wasn't in it much. Or something...)

And I'm sorry. But the acting was... let's just say they've done better. They were both back to their narrow-eyes "I'm angry now", looks. I adore Jared to little tiny pieces as you know, but this felt so forced from him. All the .."I'm angry" stuff was...sorry, but I didn't believe it. Jensen did the best with what he had. But really? What did he have? "Oh, I have to act like an idiot now". *sheesh*

And... *grrrrr*... Sam shutting Dean in the bathroom to.... what?? Look all angry at the demon?! Stand there and be taunted by a demon that really he shouldn't even be LISTENING to! Give me a break! See this (I think) was about us seeing that Sam had control. He could control his anger. I don't know why but I kinda never doubted that. He's Sam. He will control it when he needs to. Sam shutting Dean out just didn't make sense at this point in time. It only served to piss me off even more.

Oh.... *sigh*.. was I just not in the right sort of mood to watch this one tonight?

And the straw. The STRAW I tell you, was the final scene with Bobby considering that arse-hole's proposal. I actually rose out of my seat at one point and shouted at the screen "You've got to be KIDDING me!" And then Bobby shot him and I was like "AT LAST! Go Bobby! Finally, something that makes sense in this stupid episode and then... fuck me if the ep didn't end with the idea that Bobby might actually be considering "lending" is soul! FUCK THAT!

Why the fuck are they even LISTENING to demons?! I just don't get that! Surely, they've learned... :((((

I don't know. It just seemed hollow and a "filler" (we are 2 eps out from the finale for christ sake!). Fundamentally it came down to how stupid they made Dean. How pointless, and to be quite frank, boring all that stuff with Sam seemed. (though I did love the back story I will grant it that).

Tell me I missed something. Please. Tell me there was something actually relevant about that episode. I just loved the end of the last episode and I was all excited about seeing Pestilence again. But alas. It was all about finding him. They usually find their foe in the first 10 minutes and it goes from there. This took a whole episode to get no where.

And it didn't even seem to have the wonderful colour meta it had going on in previous episodes. It kinda looked ugly. But maybe that was the point.

It seems to me that with 2 episodes to go they are going to cram getting Pest's and Death's ring to lock Lu up. And that will be the main focus. If that's the case that will make me sad and quite possibly very angry.

But.

I am going to trust show. I always have. Though I admit to being scared now. I so desperately want the finale to be clever. I want the boys to be clever and together. If the Winchesters are on the outskirts of all this (which they seem to have been in these last 2 eps), then.... Well, let's just not think about that. I'm sure they won't be. *nods vigorously*

Positives: Sam's chat to Bobby. The end when Dean and Sam stood side by side behind the salt line. Dean almost seeming proud of the way Sam dispatched the demon- It was almost like he was thinking "he can do that without the demon blood". The actor who played Crowley did a good job, even though I hated the fact that he played Dean so friggin' easily). I would say bloodied Dean (yep, I'm a sucker for my hurt boys), but why would a demon kick a human when he crush him with a flick of his hand. No sense.

So um.. you're still here? Do you hate me? *meep* I'm sorry. I almost never negatively rant. Forgive me this one time.

*sniffs* and *hugs* I love my show. I wouldn't care this much if I didn't.

<3

Comments

[thandie.livejournal.com]

I have been in 'I hate this' mood for the past 10 episodes, I totally understand what you mean. I have different reasons why I'm disappointed, but point is: they are messing up hugely here. And we are approaching the finale, how are they going to redeem a whole season in two episodes? They can't.

I didn't even watch this one, it was enough for me to know that Castiel still is AWOL with no explanation and no one even WORRYING over him being gone. That's all I really cared about tbh.

"I love my show. I wouldn't care this much if I didn't."
I'm not even sure of this anymore! :( I'll have to make my personal rant after watching this one, maybe it'll make me feel better if I unleash properly.

<3

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I have been in 'I hate this' mood for the past 10 episodes,

Oh dear. :( For me I have to say haven't. I've been really enjoying it. I mean, I cry and feel emotional but I always trust that it's all for a reason. I haven't even minded the brothers being at odds with each other because I have trusted that they will come back together and that WILL BE THE WHOLE POINT.

I kinda go along for the ride. But I really hate it when they make either one of them look stupid. And Dean agreeing to leaving Sam behind is just plain stupid.

And I agree about having no thought about Cas in this. It's like he's never existed. And even though I'm not exactly a Cas fan, I have liked the relationship he has built with the boys. His character has lent some warmth to the episodes and that was really lost in this one.

I'm not even sure of this anymore!

I must say if I felt like this after the last 10 eps then I would be long since gone. But this is the only one. I can't help but be enthralled by the pretty still *is shallow*, but even the pretty did do it for me this time. :(

And ranting helped. I trust people to turn away who don't want to read because I do on negative posts I don't want to read. I generally don't like to be negative. I feel much better when I rant positively. But I had to get that out. So yeah. It might help you to. :)

*hugs*

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

No worries! I'm sure there are many people who agreed, and all your points do make sense to me.

I'll tell you which scene I loved and that's the scene between Bobby and Sam over the phone. I loved Bobby's gruff, appalled horror at Sam's drunken plan, and honestly, the fact that Sam came up with it and voiced it while drunk gives me hope that he won't actually carry through with it.

Because isn't it one of Sam's few options... say yes to Lucifer and then find some way to trick him from the inside? Literally? I loved Bobby's "are you trying to kill me?" because Sam's death on top of everything else could kill Bobby. Sam might see himself as dispensable in this, but Bobby doesn't. Loved that.

Loved Crowley's like about sins and saints and centuries because it sounded so pretty.

But I do agree with you on many of your points, especially Dean's motivation in this one. Couldn't understand why he suddenly trusted demons, because that is so not Dean. I think I missed how Dean got away from Brady. It seemed like the editing was messed up.

So again, no worries. You wouldn't be disappointed, if you didn't care. It's hard loving a show this much, isn't it? :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

First up *hugs* you hard, because I very seldom negatively rant and I feel kinda bad for doing it this time. So thanks.

And I agree. I did like both Bobby and Sam sharing a drink over the phone and Sam talking to Bobby about another option he has. But god, I hope he doesn't try that one. Though he might, because I think that ep was about how strong Sam could be so maybe there is a thought that he could control Satin from within. (Though he couldn't control Meg. Admittedly he is more experienced now though).

I actually liked the actor who played Crowley. He put a lot of passion into the role and he was convincing. (more so than the J's this time round I think). I just can't tell whether we, as audience members, are suppose to feel sorry for him and understand his motives and therefore understand why Dean and seemingly Bobby are trusting him. I just can't figure him out.

It's hard loving a show this much, isn't it?

Oh man! Why can't I just quit you show!! It amazes me how passionate I can be about this show.... I was tossing and turning in my sleep last night thinking about it.

Only 2 more episodes and then I can rest.... :D

*hugs*

[redteekal.livejournal.com]

Nah I don't hate you :) *hugs*

I can see why you feel this way - for me it did echo (and not in a good way at all since I was NOT a fan of this episode) Swap Meat with the OOCness of Dean.

I seriously thought Dean was being all sneaky telling Crowley fine we leave Sam but in actual fact Sam was gonna be there the whole time. Not sure how he was going to finagle it but I just assumed this is what Dean was doing because to do what he did just seemed incredibly UN-Dean and totally OOC. So yeah that was bizarre. I did like Sam's reaction to Crowley initially though - all "I'm fucking gonna kill him" type behaviour - fair enough too.

Crowley amused me in a bizarre, detached clinical way - he's really just a cockroach and his lines are as slick as the snakeoil Bobby referred to.

I thought the whole scene with the chair jammed under the door handle was really just a set up so that they could balance out the proof of trust/faith Sam showed in Point Of No Return. Dean insisted they returned to Sam even after he knew their (Sam and Brady's) past history and Sam's reaction. Like Sam insisted they take Dean to go get Adam. Sam is incapacitated there leaving the entire choice on Dean's shoulders. Dean was locked up leaving the entire choice on Sam's shoulders. Although it was extra for the viewers I think it served it's purpose in validating Dean's faith in Sam.

And as much as I hate to admit it - Jared didn't do the best there at the end. I loved the SamnDean united front/togetherness of that scene and Dean utterly on Sam's side here but as Sam just moves in on Brady Jared didn't quite pull it off. I was waiting for something a little Jensen-style a la On The Head of a Pin when he was torturing Alistair. He was some cold blooded mean mother fucker there. That's the level I was watching for. I loved his fierce Sam at the beginning when Crowley shows up and also when he finds out about Brady for the first time...but the final scene...well meh.

Not as bad as Swap Meat for me frustration wise but certainly it felt distinctly incongruous with the way the episodes have been running lately and that had an impact on my enjoyment for sure.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Nah I don't hate you

*phew* I had visions of everyone jumping ship because I'm blasting my beloved show.

And yes, it did echo the OOCness of Swap Meat and (for me) Yellow Fever.

I seriously thought Dean was being all sneaky telling Crowley fine we leave Sam

See. I would have loved this. If they put up the front that they would split up but in fact Sam would be there all the time, watching Dean's back. I just COULDN'T BELIEVE Dean would confront that demon with out some sort of back up. And then to be dupped about the rings... I just. That's really were it started to unravel for me. Grrr...

And Crowley really is a cockroach (I did like the actor's portrayal if him) so why, oh lordy WHY are they believing him. Surely they can see that. (I think I must be missing something with this character...)

And the whole scene with Dean locked away was there exactly for the reasons you pointed out I reckon. But it just, I don't know, seemed so clunky and heavy handed. But maybe we did need to see that they trust each other (even AFTER Dean leaves Sam to follow a stupid demon!).

Can't you tell I'm still reeling. It's the next day and I'm still steaming.

Sam just moves in on Brady Jared didn't quite pull it off.

Yeah. Didn't do it for me either. In fact, I have reservations about that scene too. For Dean to stand back and "unleash" Sam seemed more like he was using Sam as a weapon. I don't know. I'm still at odds about that scene.

I think by the end, I was so over it I wasn't into anything. Especially Bobby actually listening to Crowley... I fear for the future of this idea. If Bobby sells his soul I think that might be my undoing.

*hugs* Thanks for popping in.

Any news on the Jaffa Room?

[meltingconfetti.livejournal.com]

Well, when you put it THAT way... I totally get your rant. Yes, Dean was acting like a right idiot (and for what reason? Because he had no other leads?) And yes, the acting could have been better... In hindsight, it was Crowley and Brady who made the show for me.

Admittedly, I liked this episode for extremely shallow reasons. That's all I got from it! ;)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

/o\ Oh my. I did rant a bit didn't I?

In hindsight, it was Crowley and Brady who made the show for me.

Yes. In fact they both played their roles with such passion it really made J and J seem flat.

Admittedly, I liked this episode for extremely shallow reasons.

Hee! Oh hun. I wish I could have enjoyed it even for shallow reasons. Usually I can get by with just that. But not this time.. I think I was seeing red far too much.

xx

[mara-snh.livejournal.com]

You articulated my sentiments exactly. Show is turning into a bad comic book. And it's like they're racing to an ending just to get it the hell over with.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh you too? Mostly I'm pretty cool about the way things have been going. But. I don't know. Maybe I was expecting more or something...

And it's like they're racing to an ending just to get it the hell over with.

And this concerns me. They now seem to have a lot to accomplish in 2 episodes. I am still looking forward the next to episodes (though with some trepidation now...)

xx

[secretlytodream.livejournal.com]

Hm, not sure that I *hated* this ep, but I can say that I was a little disappointed, you know? Well, yeah, it seems like all 20th episodes are like....something calm before the storm or something? But 120, 220, 420 - thos eps were kinda more interesting. Yeah, we saw a glimpse to Sam's past....but it was like WTF?! They showed us new demon and then BAM - they killed him. What's left? Just more questions.

Though right now I think that there 2 episodes left will be huge....*__*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee! I did get a bit passionate there didn't I. Though it's the next day now and I'm still feeling the same way... grrr.

And yes, episode 20's are curious ones. Though 2.20 still remains one of my favourites. :) And this one, quite likely, will be one of my worse...

Giving us some more of Sam's past was interesting, but I agree - they show us this guy then kill him off. It would have been great to see that developed more. Maybe. I don't know. I'm so at odds with this episode I'm not sure what I would like to have seen.

And I am so hoping that the next 2 episodes are huge! I really want to be blown away. I'm just a little bit concerned now that I won't be. But I HAVE FAITH!

*hugs*

[phx69.livejournal.com]

Well. I will admit, my first impression was to not be impressed, however the more I thought about it and the second time I watched it with my hubby, I got more out of it.

Little things like: I think Sam is onto something with his plan. I liked that he told Bobby about it and said he wouldn't it without Dean and Bobby's support. That is a HUGE thing considering how Sam has always tried to do things himself perviously. We see real growth and learning here.

Also, Dean brought Brady back to the house because he TRUSTED Sam with this and even told Sam that. Also a big thing.

AND, finally, Sam got closure on Jessica's death. Finally. He got to kill the demon that killed her, kinda like how Dean got to kill the demon that killed their mother. I loved that Dean stood inside the salt lines with Sam but let this play out how Sam wanted. Still ready to be there if Brady got the upper hand but appreciating and allowing this one thing for Sam.

Plus, the Sam girl in me is positive that after Sam left - again, which Dean let him do knowing his brother needed space right now - I am certain Sam emotionally collapsed. Killing Jessica's killer? Bringing her death justice? That is huge.

There are many things I didn't like and personally could have done without more Deanwhump and I found it fairly slow moving and don't like Crowley either, but overall it wasn't bad. I did hate Dean going with the demon though. That was just stupid. And I totally agree - Dean was being niave, stupid and ineffectual in this. I hate when he or Sam is written this way.

Anyways, I hope that helps you get something from this train wreck :0)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thank you hun! I appreciate your more positive thoughts on this. And I agree that there were some little moments that shone out and seemed to be important to the character developments.

I liked getting some more back story with Sam and Jessica. That made sense. I think because I was so totally incensed about Dean leaving Sam to do something completely stupid and OOC that I just couldn't see past it to enjoy the rest of the episode.

I'm hoping that I might be able to go a back and look past that and see some more of the positives.

Thanks again. I hate it when I feel negative about an episode. I sometimes wish I didn't care sooooo much!
<3

[lsketch42.livejournal.com]

I can't read your post or the comments because I haven't watched the eppy yet but just tell me...should I not watch it? Is it going to make me angry? *cringes*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hmmm...

Ohh hun. I don't know. I know you're a Dean girl so I'm not sure if his actions in this will piss you off (like it did me) or maybe it'll make some sense to you. Fundamentally it was him being (what I would consider) OOC in this. But maybe I missed something

I have read some journals where people have squeed about this episode and loved it.

So. I don't know. Of course you'll HAVE to watch it now. I'll be interested to know what you think. Sometimes if you go into an ep thinking it will be awful you'll come out pleasantly surprised.

:)

[ancastar.livejournal.com]

You and I had similar reactions to this ep with the difference being I really liked Crowley. I have no problem with the guys being thrown into this (very) uneasy alliance with someone they know will screw them, given half a chance. But for Dean to choose Crowley over Sam, when they'd just reconciled made him the biggest hypocrite imaginable. Particularly when he knows Crowley is evil. At least Sam believed Ruby was on his side.

In other news--JP wasn't good (with a few exceptions--such as the phone call with Bobby), and JA made no impression on me at all.

I wasn't crazy about the ep (in case you can't tell...)

:-|

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey hun! So we're on the same page? I hadn't read any other journals before posting this. I was too incensed and needed to get it off my chest.

I liked the actor's performance as Crowley I just hate the idea of him being so obviously a sleaze and Dean falling for it. And an alliance is interesting to me too. But I'd love to see them USE him, not be used BY him. Crowley seemed to have the upper hand the whole time, which just makes the boys seem so weak. Particularly Dean. He looked like a lamb to the damn slaughter going up to Brady.

But for Dean to choose Crowley over Sam, when they'd just reconciled made him the biggest hypocrite imaginable.

And here's the rub! We had a whole season to understand Sam's motives for believing and following Ruby. I could totally understand Sam's choices. But one episode for Dean to become "pals" with a demon. No way. I know they are desperate to get the other rings and maybe that's it. But I have to say that desperation just didn't come across. I didn't get the sense of urgency in that episode.

Ooops - ranted again. /o\

I'm glad I'm not the only one who wasn't convinced by JP in this one. Someone suggested this filmed around his wedding - so maybe he was distracted. I don't know. I'm wondering if the writing was somewhat to blame as well.

Anyway. I'm still excited for the next 2. I truly hope I don't feel like this afterwards.
*hugs*

[callme-k.livejournal.com]

It's the "Bugs" of S5. Didn't hate it, but doubt it'll get much of a rewatch.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee! Bugs is like a shiny, shiny episode in comparison to this one for me. Bugs was crappy for the last 10 minutes. This was crappy most of the time.

Oh man. I really should stop being so negative. I thought I got it all out of my system. Sorry hun. I promise I will be joyful this time next week! (We'll have to work out a way of finding each other (and Lizzy). I'll PM you my mobile number when I get a chance).

Cheers.
xx

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Actually I have seen some mixed reactions. Couple of my flist have LOVED it. Like full on squee....So, I think it might depend on what you make of some of the characters in it and some of the (stupid, stupid) decisions that are made.

I love my boys too and it's why I keep coming back. But they did irk me in this one. But I'm going to blame the writing. Hopefully they'll be back on track next week...;)

But DO watch it. There were some "reveals" that make it worth it.

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

Aww....I'm sorry to hear this epi didn't work for you (at all!). *tries to comfort*

I do get your point. *hugs tight*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*takes comfort* - 'cause I'm needing it! <33

I'm sure I'm too emotionally invested in this damn show!!

*holds tight*

[smilla02.livejournal.com]

*hugs* It's horrible when an episode doesn't work. I said why it did on my post, although I wasn't particularly excited or even satisfied at the end of the episode.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks hun and I'll be sure to check out your post. I've been looking for posts that might help me understand what I might have missed.

Though I think it's purely emotional. I kinda get a lot of what they were showing us - Dean trusts Sam, Sam could control his anger when he needed too, the demons were after Sam back in Stanford - but my emotional response to Dean making a stupid, stupid decision clouded every thing in that episode.

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[varkelton]

I was too busy giggling like a little girl over Crowly's line about the things he heard in the Impala to be anything but amused by this episode, but I definitely see what you're saying about Dean. Very hypocritical. He should have at least discussed it with Sam. Begged Sam to understand that he couldn't let their only lead walk away (because if he didn't believe that, then, WTF?) I mean, I kind of got that, but it didn't look like Sam did, and that should have been clear to Dean.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Wow.. amused. Hee! Man, I wish I could have come away feeling like that. (Though yeah, to be a fly on the impala wall would be awesome....!!). It would be better than feeling completely pissed off with the whole thing.

I don't think I'll ever forgive them for showing Dean up to be so stupid. I'd love to have seen them "play" Crowley instead of Crowley playing them. I get that Dean didn't want to lose the lead, but.... I don't know, things just didn't seem desperate enough for him to ditch Sam in order to do that.

But. It's all cool. I've been cross with episodes before and then they surprise make me feel all squeeful again. :D

*huggles*

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

I'm in the neutral zone on this ep. Didn't love it. Didn't hate it.

I see valid points in your post. Mostly I'm commenting just to say that even I (or others) don't agree with your reaction to this post--I firmly believe we all are allowed to express *whatever* our opinions on around SPN episodes.

And the one thing I have to add is that at one point when Sam/Jared was all "squinty eyed" in anger I was somehow pushed out of the moment and found myself thinking that it looked like Jared was "acting"--in other words, I could see Jared acting rather than Sam getting angry. I also love Jared to bits and love his portrayal of Sam--but I have to admit I found myself thinking that at that instance. Someone else pointed out that this was the ep during which Jared took off for his marriage--perhaps he was distracted by other...kinda important...stuff.

I love Crowley--perhaps mostly because I love Mark Sheppard. I did have your reaction to Dean going with a demon over Sam. But it wasn't until I read your reaction that I found myself realizing just how uber-"trusting" Dean really was --and you're right, perhaps that's too OOC for Dean at this point in his evolution.

But I'm still in the "this is ok" episode mood. I'm enjoying the ride.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I firmly believe we all are allowed to express *whatever* our opinions on around SPN episodes.

Yeah. Thanks, I always respect other peoples opinions. I love reading the posts where peeps were really positive. Makes me feel like it wasn't so bad. (though for me, really it was..).

I like the reasoning that Jared could have been distracted by his wedding. That could make sense. Though, I also partly blame the writing. And maybe even the directing.

And Mark Sheppard was very good in the role. I mean, I thoroughly hate that character so maybe he did too good a job... ;) But the actor certainly gave the part a lot of passion and in fact might have been why the Js looked so flat.

And even though I didn't like this I am still enjoying the ride. I'm pretty forgiving of my beloved show. I just wouldn't want to feel like this too often... :)

xx

[yourlibrarian]

Tell me I missed something. Please. Tell me there was something actually relevant about that episode.

Well, maybe. I didn't dislike it as much as you did, but I was just baffled by the turn with Dean as well. Just posted my meta if that'll be any help.

It seems to me that with 2 episodes to go they are going to cram getting Pest's and Death's ring to lock Lu up. And that will be the main focus. If that's the case that will make me sad and quite possibly very angry.

Yes, this is another thing I realized with the end of this episode is that we only have two left in which to wrap up a whole bunch of stuff. Why they can't do proper pacing on this show I will never understand. I suppose they might leave things on another cliffhanger and not actually get Lucifer caged again but, who knows.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yay. I will read you post as soon as I have a chance. I liked to know what I might have missed. Though in places where a lot of what was being made sense, I still feel pretty peeved with the whole thing.

I suppose they might leave things on another cliffhanger and not actually get Lucifer caged again but, who knows.

Oh please no. Another season chasing down Lu will not be good I don't think. They will really be stretching it thin. And yet they've left the last 2 rings for the last 2 eps. Which will be cramming a lot in in a short time. That's what I'm assuming. I would love to be wrong.... but it seems to be the way it's heading.

I am looking forward (I think!) to finding out... :)

[barkley.livejournal.com]

I was loving this season right up until last night and I am right there with you. This episode made no sense character wise dropped in where it was. And emotionally wise, it was retread material and it was old. This was totally two years ago when people were still considering trusting demons. And when has selling your soul ever been a good idea? So totally stupid.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I was loving this season right up until last night

Ditto! I really haven't had many complaints about the season. Ok, maybe a couple of messy episodes and reveals but on the whole I've liked it. But that. What was that?! It was old. I was mentioning to someone above that Sam carrying that level of anger (still) over Jess just didn't make a lot of sense. After everything they've been through. I know we needed to see Sam angry (for some reason) in this episode so that's probably the best they could come up with. But I agree... why now?!

And I might have been able to forgive one miss direction, but on top of Dean acting out of character and Bobby even LISTENING to a demon it was just too much. *sigh*

I so hope they can redeem themselves with the next 2 episodes.

xx

[nicefeet.livejournal.com]

The whole plot is kind of stretching thin imo. In two eps are they going to make the plan work and everything? probably not. which means all the grand ideas for s6 being something shiny and new are also out the window. Idk :/ It is possible for the next two to HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK, so I have hope!

Also it weirds me out when they separate the boys because isn't the lesson always that they never work well apart? I did like how Dean had Sam's back at the end. And I always like the idea of a sinister plan dictating their lives, so that stuff with Jess was a major revelation in just how manipulated they have been. So it was nice for Sam to get some closure even if it only was in the form of getting revenge.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yes. I was also hoping for a S5 wrap up, but it looks like maybe we're in for it spilling over into S6. Which could be a shame if they don't add something "new and shiny" to the mix.

And the boys separating never seems to work out well. I know that sometimes they have to do that, but at this stage in the game it seems ill advised. I can see why Sam was so angry about it ... he knew things wouldn't work out well for Dean.

So it was nice for Sam to get some closure even if it only was in the form of getting revenge.

Yes, it looks like it might have been to give Sam closure over Jess. Though to be honest, I thought he's closed that years ago with the death of YED. But it would seem not..

Thanks for popping in. :)

[stormcloude]

I didn't hate the episode as much as you did, (It mostly made me laugh in an "I can't believe they're doing this crap" way) but, man, I agree with a lot of your points.

Sam was... not Sam at all in this episode. This was Sam from the beginning of the season or something and I never bought that he and this demon were best buds at one time. There was no connection, no history, no regret there. And I kept expecting to see Pestilence. I mean the episode was all about him and he didn't appear once! This season really is kinda fucked up pacingwise. What the hell happened?!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

HEe! I really wish I did get a laugh out of it. Maybe I wouldn't have been so grumpy about it.

This was Sam from the beginning of the season or something and I never bought that he and this demon were best buds at one time. There was no connection, no history, no regret there.

Yes. In fact you've hit the nail on the head as to why this just didn't work as well as it could have done. He was angry at being "played" by this demon, and having Jess killed but there was no sense that there was any regret about what's happened to his best buddy. It might have been interesting to have a scene where Sam saw Brady before he realised he was a demon. So we could see the connection. In fact. I wonder why Crowley didn't use Sam as "bait". That way would could have had that scene (show them as being passed buddies) AND then we could have seen Sam trying to wrest his anger (which I think was the point of this episode), which would have given it more meaning.

When I think about it, the episode just wasn't very well constructed. Or thought about. Neither of the boys were in character at this stage of the story I felt.

Oh well. I'm still excited for the future episodes (I think!)
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