6.05 Episode reaction.
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ash48After I watched that episode I wanted nothing more than to scream and rant and cry and just....just... PUNCH something. Then I remembered it's a TV show and it's fiction and it's not worth the emotion I invest in it.
Then I remember it's a TV show that I am emotionally invested in and it has ripped my heart out so many times that I should be used to it by now. I should expect it. It should be water off a duck's back.
But it's not.
THAT WAS THE GOD DAMN SADDEST AND MOST DISTRESSING EPISODE FOR ME TO DATE! Well, next to Swan Song maybe. But at least in Swan Song THEY WERE THERE FOR EACH OTHER. They were HEROIC. There was LOVE. There was PASSION.
Sam standing by watching and smirking as Dean got turned was THE most painful moment ever. Even when they are fighting each other there is at least EMOTION and LOVE.
I get it. I do. Something Is Wrong With Sam. There is ALWAYS something wrong with Sam. It's obviously the "mystery" this season. What Is Wrong With Sam... but why does it (again!) have to be Sam hurting and alienating Dean???!! Why do they keep doing that?! I don't even have an issue with something always being wrong with Sam. When he first started having "visions" that was cool. Something was changing and the pay off was big. When he turned to Ruby in S4 it hurt sure, but there was a damn good reason for it.
But this. It's hurts so much more because by taking away Sam's empathy it means the connection between the boys is completely lost. That connection is what I tune in for. Them fighting their battles together, working out each others' issues, a beer, a smile, a chat. Teamwork.
But it's gone and if they don't fix it pretty damn quick I might... I want to say quit you, but I'm not sure if I could actually do that... but it's what I would like to do. The heartbreak is getting to be too much. And yes, I know it's a TV show, but what's the point of turning into something for entertainment when it just keeps squashing all the reasons why you tuned in in the first place.
I hate the way they are playing with us. Deliberately having them be at odds with each other MORE THAN THEY HAVE EVER DONE BEFORE. This was supposed to be the season that was going back to the way it was. Wasn't it? And even though I don't expect, or really even want a repeat of season 1 or 2, I want things to be BETTER between them. So much better.
I actually wonder if this is the Sam we were meant to get in Season 3. Remember all that "did Sam come back from the dead wrong?" Are you sure's is 100% Sam?" etc. That never really played out during that season save a couple of mentions. I think we are getting that Sam now. Friggin' 2 seasons later. Thanks for that.
So. All I can say is the pay off better be HUGE! I can go with Sam not having a soul. I even think he might have traded it to get free, or even made some sort of "deal". He's obviously on a mission to do with these alpha monsters and maybe he had to complete this "mission" in order to get his soul back.
He better get it back pretty damn quick! And. I want A BIG DAMN HUG FEST REUNION WHEN THE REAL SAM RETURNS!!! I want weeping for christ's sake!! And hugging. Like REAL hugging. Did I mention the hugging.... and weeping?
Moving on: There were some things I did actually like. Though my viewing was completely skewed by my worry of non caring, emotionally void, manipulative, soulless LOST Sam.
Counting the ways....
1. Bela Lugosi's Dead!! For the Win!! (Hubby would totally approve too!) Great song choice.
2. Twilight shout outs did make me chuckle. I admit it. And I like that they used the romanticism that Twilight has created of vampires as a way of luring in people. (not so impressed that they had to only be young attractive women. Bothered me a tad).
3. Dean's phone call to Lisa. It's been really nice to see him happy and that call conjured up moments of them cuddling up together. Loved the "coming home". It really felt like Dean had a place to go. A place he was still loved. (Shame that was completely and utterly shattered). I really hoped we'd have a not so angsty Dean so he could take on the problem with Sam more clearly. Not so... um... (oooh, don't hate me)... self pitying.
4. Dean thanking Lisa. Really bought home how much she really did do for him.
5. As much as I hate what they're doing with Sam I like that we have been given real confirmation that Sam is WRONG! Having Samuel's POV on this was the ultimate confirmation. And I love the way Jared is playing this Sam. The way he's delivering the "I'm supposed to say this now" lines like "Dean, are you ok?". Listen to that. It was brilliant I reckon. Damn you Padalecki for playing robot!Sam so well!
6. I liked Samuel. I like that we really don't know what's going on with him but he seemed to really care about curing Dean and he was truly surprised to find out that Sam was using him to get intel on the alphas (OH SAM!!!!)
7. Fake vampire guy. <3
8. Dean. Aside from him being ridiculously hot, I felt like he was really trying to make something of what he was given this week. Script = not the best. That dreadfully long scene in the vampire's nest (where the cells were) was ....um....boring to me. Jensen always brings such a great energy to what he's given. At times I felt he was a little "tired" and maybe that was Dean just being damn tired of being in peril again. I went into this ep being concerned for another Dean centric episode. It was but, idk... I ended up being ok with it. Jensen sold it to me more than I expected. And Dean being leered upon by that vamp was ... UNF... vulnerable Dean just does things to me. :)
9. Dean's dreams. LOVED!! (And all I could think was I hope to be able to use that in a vid one day). In fact, that might just have been my favourite thing in this ep. Adored the editing and visuals of those. Show looked pretty good overall. Some of that red and green colouring appeared again. Representing the boys' conflict maybe?
10. Ummm.... er.... *to be filled in by anyone who has something else* *g*
Also...
Not sure why, but Samuel's line about Dean... "maybe he has some Campbell in him after all" REALLY irked me. What?!! Dean can't slice off a few vamp heads??! I know maybe Samuel hasn't seen this side of Dean (I assume) but I resented the dumbing down of Dean here. Or maybe that it just alienated him even more from the Sam and Samuel camp. Made it feel very us and... Dean. *sniff* Stop doing that. Please.
I ranted. I'm sorry. But that hurt. Last week's episode made me complacent I suppose. Made me think that show remembered how to deliver a mighty fine episode. And maybe it was awesome. Maybe my emotional attached has clouded my judgement. Or maybe the sheer fact that I was SO emotionally wrapped up in it meant it was, in fact, an amazing episode.
Was it? I couldn't see through the tears...
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Date: 2010-10-23 10:55 am (UTC)And: ahahaha Robot!Sam. Jared is actually owning it right now. Like, I hate it, but HE DOES IT SO WELL.
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:27 am (UTC)The entire dream (or it was a vision?) sequence was beautiful and creepy with the two little girls. I was so hearbroken and hurty at this episode that I didn't mention it at all.
I didn't see Dean dumbed down to be honest (and I'm very sensitive to that). I saw Dean resisiting his craving in a lair frull of human blood and vampires and killing many. Samuel just doesn't know this side of Dean.
I'm crossing my fingers that the mystery of Sam is enlightened soon. I'm not expecting a solution, obviously, but some more clues.
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:36 am (UTC)I wouldn't say I'm a fan of the 'What's the matter with Sam' plot device. However I am surprisingly pleased by how well it's being played. Right from the start I was expecting it to play out in a manner that was probably uncomfortable, but so far, idek, probably it's Jared's acting (because, you are right, he is disturbingly good at being bad), but I'm not as worried by it as I feel like I, maybe, should be?
I'm really not too unhappy with the disconnect between the boys. I would hate for it to be this way for long. But I'm thinking the show has to bring them back together again (they HAVE to. If they don't I will cry. And wail. And gnash my teeth and abandon the show altogether. So... on that score I suppose I'm putting my foolhardy trust in the writers) and while they are so very disconnected it gives us a chance to see just a little bit more of both their characters. I suppose I've always wondered what Sam was capable of being (they've hinted, and downright slapped us in the face with implications before... but they've never actually gone there) and I like to think this'll produce some very interesting stuff. And Dean's being given similar room to develop. However, on the note of Dean, I agree with you 100% about not liking Samuel's comment. I would go so far as to say I hated it. I think Dean being 'soft', even if it's only in the eyes of the Campbells, is just wrong. Because he's not 'soft', not at all, and it just rings wrong every time it's intimated.
Also on the negative... unsubtle writers are unsubtle and that annoyed me. I would have liked a less obvious 'Sam betrays Dean's trust' moment. Also, the worries about this episode's writing definitely translate into larger worries about the way in which it will play out.
As to the other stuff you said, I also loved the Lisa moments in the episode, and Dean in all his ridiculous hotness. Because boy was Dean hot, I could talk about how he looked when he was all shaken with the vamp coming onto him; his face (oh, his FACE) after he was force-fed the blood; the way he was sitting after having killed all the vampires in the building. Basically, Dean! But I wont, because this comment is of epic length already.
So yes, sorry it's tl;dr I got a bit carried away by the meta. But I love what you have to say about the show, your episode reactions are making me very happy (and thinky.. which is unfortunate for you...).
Hope your tears dry up soon. *hugs*
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:40 am (UTC)....is there something wrong with me? :/
I must have changed over time. The brother thing used to be of utmost importance to me like it still is for you. But I'm really enjoying all the wrongs now...
That fake vampire guy was funny.. :)
But for some comfort for you at least some JJ hugging...♥
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Date: 2010-10-23 12:39 pm (UTC)Xx
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:13 pm (UTC)Yeah - when I step back and not let my emotion blind be I totally agree. I think it is being well played. They are really teasing it out. It just hurts so much and I have no idea why I care that much because I know it will be ok in the end, but... yeah. Hard.
and while they are so very disconnected it gives us a chance to see just a little bit more of both their characters
Yeah. I like this too. Especially Dean. I think we are seeing a different Dean and I've really enjoyed that. I just hope they don't take him way back to being full of self loathing so he can't see what's actually going on with Sam. Or himself. I've been really enjoying Dean this season.
So yes, sorry it's tl;dr I got a bit carried away by the meta.
Oh, I love hearing other peoples thoughts. It's my favourite thing. I am totally prepared to be turned around on this episode. Though... can I ask (because I'm not ashamed to) what does tl;dr mean? I see it and I get it's inference, but have no idea what it stands for).
Thanks so much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts :D
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:13 pm (UTC)Even when it's been the worst of the worst for Sam, there's been a skerrick of an emotional bond between the boys; some saving grace....here there was none.
Even though I, too, am hedging my bets on some type of mission; right now, I can't see what can ever make up for that:(
"maybe he has some Campbell in him after all"
Ugh, that pissed me off too. "After all"? Geez, it's not his first outing.
That's one of the aspects I've hated about the Campbell clan so far this season - their apparent contempt for Dean.
I'm very on board with your thoughts tonight:) particularly the good stuff. Despite the trauma, there was a lot to like:)
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:24 pm (UTC)Oh I SO do agree. But thank you for such accurate formulation :)
And this connection between those two - yes, that is THE thing the writers destroyed by creating the new Sam and Dean. I mean, they had to do something new and change of characters seems to be the simplest was of going further with the show. But they destroyed the main part of the brotherhood...
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:26 pm (UTC)And yes, incredible acting. I love this season. It's not just watching and enjoying the show, it's an emotional investment, an all out roller-coaster ride that better not make me puke when I get off.
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:32 pm (UTC)I actually hadn't even thought of this happening. Now I'm really scared it will! No, we must not lose our more emotionally competent Dean! I've enjoyed him too much!
I am totally prepared to be turned around on this episode
I'm not sure I'd advocate being totally turned round on this episode. I was pretty much in it for Hot Dean (tm). I think it's just I didn't find the breach between the boys the main point of concern. I was more worried about things like how the depiction of the Twilight fans was pretty much an insult to fans everywhere (though possibly in character for the boys, idek?), and the fact the ONLY the GIRLS were caged in the vampire lair. I mean what? Really? We live in a world where ONLY GIRLS need to be caged up? Guys don't need that treatment? (In context I'm not sure whether that's a compliment of an insult... but I'm pretty sure it's just not on!).
As for tl;dr it means 'too long; don't read'. I tend to use it as a sort of apology for dripping at the mouth. Which I do. A lot.
Thanks so much for dropping by and sharing your thoughts :D
Glad to know I didn't just bore the socks off you :D And thanks for giving us your thoughts. They are very... thinky. And awesome. Don't forget the awesome! :D
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:37 pm (UTC)I meant to reply to the main post and only just noticed I must have hit the wrong button. So... really sorry to have subjected you to that... *slinks away to hide*
*Sneaks back* Oh, yes I forgot to say: JENSEEEEEEN <3333333!
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Date: 2010-10-23 01:52 pm (UTC)Hee! Oh yes.. not THAT bit... :)
I was more worried about things like how the depiction of the Twilight fans was pretty much an insult to fans everywhere
For me it was pretty hilarious. I'm not a Twilight fan but I truly appreciate what it is to be one. To be honest, I don't think they could do worse then what they did with the "book" series of Supernatural. Tearing down the 4th wall was just a bit too close. I enjoyed the fun of it, but can't say I enjoyed they way they did this.
Definitely didn't like the girls in gages. He mentioned the guys they trapped, but we didn't see any of that. Might have made for a nice balance.
Thanks for the translation. I would never have worked that one out. :)
Don't forget the awesome!
Hee! Thanks... I think I certainly do a bit of the tl;dr... but I just have to get it off my chest and lacking the real life place to vent my darling LJ is the next best thing.
*hugs*
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Date: 2010-10-23 02:17 pm (UTC)I tend to be ridiculously easy to please when it comes to Show, but I didn't really like that episode, and not just due to the shattering Sam smirk. I just didn't think it was that well written or well put together. It's the first ep ever that I truly wished I waited a week to watch. Ancastar wisely called it a bridge episode, and I think it's wise not to worry about it too much until we watch next week's ep.
I'm also kind of glad that amping up the "something wrong" thing, so maybe, we can hopefully get on with the fixing of it. I've been loving how almost "normal" Dean has been this season and how relatively happy. Wouldn't it be awesome to see a restored Sam interacting with this Dean? I missed pre-hell Dean so much over the past two years.... I really hope they don't do the same thing with Sam. Because this really isn't Sam, right?
Sigh.
Haven't had nearly enough coffee, so sorry if this makes no sense! I so look for your commentaries and await healing vids. :)
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Date: 2010-10-23 02:31 pm (UTC)I know. And I do know that but... argh... I'm feeling so impatient right now. To be honest I didn't actually think they were going to make Sam soooo wrong. In some ways I'm glad they've had the balls to do that (yay show!) but it still hurts and I really just don't want another 5 episode like that. I reckon it will be about 2 more.. maybe even the next one. I'm completely unspoiled so I suppose I'll have to wait and see.
I didn't see Dean dumbed down to be honest (and I'm very sensitive to that)
I'm glad. I just. Dean was so alone facing the enemy this time. He did so well and then to be met with that. But I agree, more about Samuel then Dean. Dean is such a god damn hero.
I'm not expecting a solution, obviously, but some more clues.
Argh! I want resolution!!... which is crazy only 6 episodes in.... *g*
*breathes* I'm good now... *hugs*
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Date: 2010-10-23 02:36 pm (UTC)Yeah - I didn't mind the dark. Actually, I think I need to go and watch it again and not be so caught up in Sam. The vamp thing was ok. I mean... vampires confuse me. The rules keep changing and I have trouble keeping up. I like the vampires in the SPN universe. They're pretty sexy. Though I think I prefer scary vamps to sexy ones. idk.
turned on by that vampire smeering blood on Dean's mouth...
Oh wow... that's one way of looking at it. Yeah.. I can totally see that. Hmmm... kinda yummy if I wasn't so pissed at him.. :D
That fake vampire guy was funny.. :)
Yep. A highlight for me! :D
Thanks for the pink hearts and our boys hugging. I NEED HUGS IN THE SHOW!! :koff: I'm ok now...
*smish*
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Date: 2010-10-23 02:46 pm (UTC)Like whoa!! I want the pay off to be so damn huge that I jump for joy!! And yes.. I want it to be more than a mission. I SO don't want Sam saying.. "but Dean, I had to do it. It was the right thing to do.. blah, blah". Oooh - I'd love that somehow "real" Sam is trapped and witnessing what his "shell" is allowing Dean to suffer.. I'm so cruel. :)
My fear is that Sam will once again, be left to apologise and Dean just having to begrudgingly accept it. I really hope they can turn the tables on that scenario. Really.
That's one of the aspects I've hated about the Campbell clan so far this season - their apparent contempt for Dean.
Yeah. I just don't understand this. The constant belittling. Dean is a friggin' HERO. The strength he portrayed in this episode in resisting the blood (more than Sam was able to do) is testament enough. Cut the man some slack. Please...
Despite the trauma, there was a lot to like:)
Yeah there was. I was totally engaged and for that I am grateful. In fact less engaged might have been better... *g*
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Date: 2010-10-23 02:50 pm (UTC)Yeah. It seems unforgivable. They have really torn it apart. I mean, they've been doing that since season 1 really (though there has been so much bonding in between it), but they're really done it this time.
It will take something mighty to pull it together again. I really hope they have a cunning plan up their sleeves.
:)
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Date: 2010-10-23 03:04 pm (UTC)Also, if Sam is soulless why would he lie to Samuel? Why would he care what Samuel thought of him if Sam was okay with what he was doing? Plot hole....
And such a missed opportunity of having Dean understand what the blood lust and the whole 'I'm a monster that needs to be put down' feels like.
You are right. There had better be a HUGE payoff and it better be soon before there is too much damage done. I almost turned off the TV last night...
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Date: 2010-10-23 04:12 pm (UTC)ABSOEFFINLUTELY to the Samuel line re "maybe he has some Campbell in him" - and this is where I beg to differ on the whole liking Samuel point - there's just no way his character is ever gonna redeem himself for me in terms of the way he's interacted with Dean. My only grudging approval of his presence here was that I think he was purely there to show that Sam's not just lying to Dean he's lying to everyone, which is kind of a relief to me in a rather sick and twisted way (there is no Sam and Samuel camp I think there are different agendas at play here). But hey with show like this I'll take any ounce of relief going!
The dream sequence was awesome and I predict much brilliant usage of it amongst excellent vidders or note (read not most of the ones that post on YT - I did read that post by the way ;-) - yes to everything you said there too!)
I actually liked Dean's dialogue this episode - and the scene that finished with Sam and Samuel coming upon him as he sits there in profile with foot on the head of boss guy? - that was really well done. I was GLUED to the screen then.
The Twilight mocking was suitably amusing - Stephenie Meyer will be delighted I'm sure.
Re the Sam elephant which is more like an enraged stampeding mammoth now after tonight's episode - I'm taking a theoretical physicist approach to the whole thing which is to say I am absolutely fascinated and intrigued by what could be the extenuating circumstances for the Current State of Sam and what are the ramifications of being in the cage as Lucifer's vessel and then be topside again? I think underlying my more scientific and clinical interest (and stubborn refusal to acknowledge my whole "WTH? Where's my Sammy?? Traumatised stamping feet of a tantrum") is the unfailing belief that Sera will get the boys back together for us eventually. Now her idea of eventually and my idea of eventually may be somewhat different but whatever show has done nothing if not instil in me a sense of patience.
So yes I am worried - but I'm allowing my curiosity free reign to trample all over that worry for a while.
What? It's called a coping device okay? You can stop sniggering now. :P
In conclusion both Winchester boys are still my heroes. Forever and ever.
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Date: 2010-10-23 05:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-10-23 09:18 pm (UTC)I've always loved their relationship and bond as brothers and the love they show each other (in a platonic way since I'm not a Wincester) and I was telling my GF that this season has been really hurty because of that. In Season 1 I liked Dean and thought Sammy was kind of whiny. Then the visions started and Sam had this horrible past and (literal) demons to contend with, and I cheered for him a little more.
During Season 4 I always thought Sam was working with Ruby because he knew he had no other choice. Dean couldn't handle Lilith he thought, and he had the power to do so, so he purposely sacrificed himself and his humanity to do what he thought was right. Then he did it *again* by throwing himself in the pit. I can't see Sam as anything other than a pure hero, so I really want to know how they are going to fix him. It surprised me how painful it's been to watch them like this, with Sam cold and calculating and removed from the love he shared with Dean.
Sam is one of those rare characters that has truly grown since we met him in Season 1. I want to see our Sam back.
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Date: 2010-10-23 09:47 pm (UTC)I hope they'll not go the usual way "Sam thought it was right and Dean will someday forgive him".
I am really looking forward to the next week episode, hope they'll give us at least some kind of answer and brothers - some direction toward how to fix it.
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:16 pm (UTC)Oh god. PLEASE!
And I too have been really enjoying the season. It's felt very solid. I'm just incredibly worried about where they are going. So yeah. There better not be any puking when we get off! :D
xx
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:22 pm (UTC)I missed pre-hell Dean so much over the past two years
Yeah - it really was 2 years of a different Dean wasn't it. It's so scary to think they could do the same thing to Sam. There's no way I would survive. I'm thinking I'm needing answers pretty darn quickly.
And it all made perfect sense sweetie. And I will be starting on a healing vid today. Well, one for my winning bidder, but she wants good old fashioned Dean, S1/2/3 Dean. I think that will be good therapy for me. :D
*hugs*
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:29 pm (UTC)What are they doing to us hun??!!! It's just not right.
Why would he care what Samuel thought of him if Sam was okay with what he was doing?
Good point. I figured he didn't want Samuel wise to the fact that he used Dean. It might make more sense if that really isn't Sam. So he doesn't want to be found out. Though I'm running with the popular theory (as the moment) that he's living without a soul. But yeah..maybe he knows he has no soul (my personal belief for the time being is that he traded it or made some sort of Deal - which would KILL me if that is actually the case. I DO NOT WANT Sam to have made a deal for his freedom) and for some reason doesn't want it to be known. Hmmmm
There had better be a HUGE payoff and it better be soon before there is too much damage done.
Yes. The damage will be lessened if we get resolution on this soon. I REALLY don't want Dean to get all pissy about Sam not watching his back. It's not Sam Dean.... help him. Please.
*clings* Let's hope we don't end up having to turn off.
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:36 pm (UTC)I read your reaction post last night and then just got too tired to post a comment.
I have to say I LOVE you approach to The State of Sam. I want to try that to. One part of me is absolutely fascinated with what's going on with him. It is indeed very intriguing and I am desperate to know what they have up their sleeves. I will be better able to look at this like that when I know everything will be ok. Or more important HOW they will make it ok. I just can't go through more boy bickering - or more importantly Dean feeling dejected because Sam doesn't care about it him. I'd love Dean to have a clear head going into this and finding a way to help Sam.
Now her idea of eventually and my idea of eventually may be somewhat different but whatever show has done nothing if not instil in me a sense of patience.
HA!! Indeed! My patience is wearing very thin I have to say... but... I will remain as patient as I can going into the next episode. :)
In conclusion both Winchester boys are still my heroes. Forever and ever.
Oh mine too!! No matter what they do I will always love these characters.
xxxx
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:36 pm (UTC)*hugs*
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Date: 2010-10-23 11:41 pm (UTC)We decided that this episode is really like a part one to next week.
Oh - that would be cool. If they continue on straight after this one I might be good with that. I haven't seen the previews, I'm going to TRY and remain unspoiled so I have no idea what to expect.
bond as brothers and the love they show each other (in a platonic way since I'm not a Wincester)
Even though I do like wincest when it comes to the show I only ever see their platonic love. It's the thing I love more than anything about them. I just hope their love and survive this.
And yes to Sam's journey during all the seasons. It's been quite remarkable. Let's just hope they don't mess with it too much. There's a wonderful Sammy screaming to get out somewhere. I just hope they can find him soon.
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Date: 2010-10-24 12:09 am (UTC)That I could go with. Although can you imagine if Sam's soul has been in hell this whole time? Yikes. that boy will have issues... I want to see Dean helping Sam with those issues instead of just hating his brother for perceived betrayals.
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Date: 2010-10-24 12:30 am (UTC)Yikes. that boy will have issues.
Ay. And here lies the rub. If it turns out that Sam soul has been suffering in hell the whole time (wow - that will be even longer than Dean!) how are they going to play Sam's emotional recovery. At least Dean will be able to fully appreciate what Sam went through. But I image Sam's experience would be so much worse. But he would have to be a basket case surely?!
ARGHHHHH!! I want to know NOW!!
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Date: 2010-10-24 12:48 am (UTC)Sam would know he missed Dean when Dean was hell but he wouldn't feel that gut sucking pain with the memory. He'd be pleased that Dean could be the inside man in the nest but not feel elation. He would worry about Dean on his own but not feel the anxiety that goes with it, if that makes sense... anyways, just me rambling...
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Date: 2010-10-24 12:56 am (UTC)I'm gearing up for answers over the next (I'll give it...) 2 weeks. I have faith!! (I do.. really..)
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Date: 2010-10-24 01:24 am (UTC)For once, I thought this trope was justified though. I mean, I am as tired as anyone of hardly ever seeing a normal looking person cross the screen (or an older one, which is another reason why Weekend at Bobby's brought a smile). But given the general plan to use first boys to lure in girls and then girls to lure in boys, it didn't surprise me that they'd be targeting attractive young women. If girls didn't find Lautner and Pattinson attractive, the Twilight movies wouldn't have gone over nearly so well.
That dreadfully long scene in the vampire's nest (where the cells were) was ....um....boring to me.
Weren't you the one who made the comment last week about how JA kept things moving along on screen as a director? Clearly he's needed back.
"maybe he has some Campbell in him after all" REALLY irked me. What?!!
LOL, case in point! I'd meant to comment on this myself but forwarded through all the walking in my second viewing and missed the line. Yes, it was a stupid comment, but it also drew my attention to how the boys are not Winchesters this season. I have mixed feelings about this, mostly because "Winchester" has been posed as this really manly image and now supposedly neither acting normal is tied into their mother's family line.
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Date: 2010-10-24 02:46 am (UTC)Not sure why, but Samuel's line about Dean... "maybe he has some Campbell in him after all" REALLY irked me. What?!! Dean can't slice off a few vamp heads??! I know maybe Samuel hasn't seen this side of Dean (I assume) but I resented the dumbing down of Dean here. Or maybe that it just alienated him even more from the Sam and Samuel camp. Made it feel very us and... Dean. *sniff* Stop doing that. Please.
JEEZE, THAT IRKED ME TOO. Mostly because I was all, WHAT THE FUCK, HE'S A WINCHESTER! And then I realized, Papa Campbell didn't know Hunter John Winchester. His only perception of John was a wimpy boy love-sick over his daughter! Hey, Samuel, you missed some shit in the last 30 years BEING DEAD AND ALL.
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Date: 2010-10-24 03:08 am (UTC)Ha! Of friggin' YES!
I think that's what it was that irked me so much. Suddenly "Winchester" isn't good enough any more or something. And it also seemed to imply Sam does have "Campbell" in him. What the...?!!?? It's going to be a Campbell v Winchester showdown or something?! Michael and Lucifer wasn't enough?!!
I just... *sigh* I hope to God they don't have them actually fighting each other again. That will most definitely be the last straw...
I live in hope that all will be reveal and fixed pretty damn soon.
Hmmm... why does that leave me even more worried.
*clings*
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Date: 2010-10-24 03:17 am (UTC)Yeah, I can see that it was justified. But I think I might liked to have seen some boys in there too. I can understand young and attractive, but I can only remember seeing girls in cages. (though I might have missed something). I might also like to have seen a powerful female vamp. Not sure. I was pretty out of it by the time that scene came around.
Weren't you the one who made the comment last week about how JA kept things moving along on screen as a director? Clearly he's needed back.
You know, I think this just shows what a great job Jensen did. I felt there was such a lot of chat in that scene and not a lot of action or um... idk... purpose maybe. Again - my objectiveness was struggling by the time we got there. :)
it it also drew my attention to how the boys are not Winchesters this season.
Yep. There it is in nut shell. They seem to have reinvented the Winchesters. I won't mind that IF they somehow retain what they really are inside by the end of it all (well, sooner than the end of the season would be good. I mentioned in a comment below that maybe we are going to get some sort of Campbell v Winchester showdown or face off. God help me no. But I'm not sure I like the way there's the "Campbell camp" including Sam and then there's Dean.
Oh, we'll see I suppose. I look forward to reading you review later. :D