You know how I posted a disclaimer...

[ash48]

about changing my mind after a reaction post?

Weeeellll...

This isn't exactly a mind change as such, rather a certain amount of acceptance toward Sam after pulling together several things I have been reading.

I know Sam has been discussed and analyised to little pieces recently and I'm not posting this as any sort of revelation (as a lot of this has already been said), but rather a way for me to pull together all the reading I've done and settle with an understanding of Sam that is (believe it or not!!) making me feel somewhat better and more at ease with the idea they seem to be running with so far this season.



I'm slow on the uptake. I've said it before, but it wasn't until a comment sockkpuppett made that it all sorta fell into place. I moaned to her about Sam using Dean as bait in the last episode to be reminded that he has, in fact, been using Dean as bait since the beginning. I then read missyjack's excellent summing up of the facts and it all began to make more sense. And certain things the lovely dotfic mentioned to me has helped put it in to some perspective.

Of course, WHY Sam is the way he is still to be determined but it's clear to me now that Sam has been on a mission since the end of Season 5 and has been on this course all a long.

For some reason this makes me feel better because it means Sam has been written consistently. Even though he's made some comments that might have made us feel like Sam is really Sam (just different because he is still suffering from his time in hell perhaps) when looking at those lines in this context I can see that they could be interpreted differently.

For example: "Things are better with you around". It would be nice to think that was genuine Sam hoping his brother will help him recover from his trauma rather than a scheming Sam who knew that with Dean around his task of locating Alphas would indeed be easier and better accomplished with the (un knowing) help from Dean.

Even Sam's "I'm not sure what's going on with me" seemed genuine enough at the time but could also be interpreted as deflection. Both to us and to Samuel.

And even his observation (and what looked like admiration) that Dean is good with the baby. There were many arguments that Sam shouldn't have been surprised by that. As with many lines that have been uttered by not!Sam so far, I think a lot of it is lip service. Or rather "this is what I should say now". So much of that. Particularly in that last one. "Are you ok Dean?" .. oh please...

Initially I worried that the Campbells might be using an unwitting Sam to help them with their mission, but instead I now believe Sam is using them and in fact my well have been instrumental in their return to the living.

I remember not understanding why Sam would have called Dean when faced with a baby. Especially after confessing to wanting to have him have an "normal life". It makes sense that Sam's been luring Dean back.

Remembering that Sam used Dean as bait both for the Dijn, the Shape Shifter and then the Vampire helps me see a consistency. It's just simply not Sam. I believe it's Sam body, but he's not controlling it. I'm pretty convinced now that not only is he missing his own soul, he may well have someone elses in him.

Something else I read and loved (in destina's post I believe) about the imagery of the Impala being surrounded by barbed wire and the vampire victims being in cages may symbolise Sam's own trapped soul. Beautiful.

It's all been in the looks. We first saw it at the end of Season 5. His "cold" calculating, somewhat smug look had been established. Then there's the look we got during the hug. Not a nod of happiness or pleasure to be with Dean again, but pleasure in knowing he's a step closer to achieving his mission. And of course that almighty smirk at the thought of Dean being turned into a vampire.

It also makes sense to me now why Sam left Dean for a whole year. I see that Sam wanted Dean to not only become a "softer" hunter, but also create a strong bond with people that may later be valuable to his plans and maybe even make him itch more to be back in the hunt. It's part of the mission. I remember YED mentioning his "plans" when killing Jessica to "prepare" Sam for the mission ahead.

Why Bobby didn't say anything to Dean I'm still not sure. It seems somewhat inconsistent with what we know about Bobby, but maybe it makes sense that he really did want Dean to enjoy normality for a while. (?)

Of course this doesn't help the fact that for 5 episodes we've not been watching Sam - we've been missing his story. But, if, somehow Sam is trapped inside and is aware of what he is doing then we certainly know the hell he has been living. We never had the chance to see Dean in hell. Only heard about it. We could well be watching Sam in hell. Sam watching what he's been putting Dean through and in turn Lisa and Ben and maybe even the Campbells would constitute hell for Sam.

My hope is that Sam is returned very soon. That somehow the "big bad" is released from him and we then get a good chunk of Sam's story. And I mean a GOOD CHUNK!

It's extraordinarily sad of course. Both boys are being maliciously played and toyed with (story of their lives!) in order for some higher perceived purpose. The new apocalypse probably. Last week really bought home how devastating this "thing" is that is manipulating them. Dean is truly by himself. No Sam, no Lisa and Ben and even Bobby pretty much told him "it's not all about you". Go away. Dean is the toughest character I know.

We are yet to find out the effects this will have had on Sam. Especially if he is witness to all this. I sincerely hope they do justice to his side of the story. They seem to enjoy making Sam the one we hate. Something else missyjack said that for me is spot on It’s an ongoing frustration for me that Dean’s character flaws are viewed almost as noble (as loveable) by fandom, but Sam’s are seen very differently, as failings. Amen!

Will Sam be ever forgiven for this? I've heard even die hard sam!girls say they are loosing patience with him. I'm not. Sam is a victim here as is Dean. I think they should be supported in their efforts. As much as it has been extremely hard to watch it certainly makes for an interesting story (and I will only stick with this if they do justice to all this in upcoming episodes).

One thing I will say, Jared has probably had the most difficult task this season in that he has being playing Sam for five seasons and now he's had to re-invent Sam, play a new character and I think he's done a mighty fine job.

I am not spoiled at all for next week. Only the title. If it turns out that no part of this is Sam I will be disappointed. If it turns out that this is indeed Sam but some sort of psychopathic version, I will be disappointed. If Dean doesn't play some part in bringing Sam back or even realising it's not Sam I will be sad and disappointed. If they drag this on past the mini hiatus I am likely to kill something.

I love my show. Or I will until the next time it smashes my heart into the dirt. Which will probably be next episode. *G*


ETA: Something I also meant to say: Sam doesn't pay for sex. He doesn't. He was most indignant when Dean suggested such a thing when sprung with Ruby in the opening of Season 4. He is also not vain. Building up his body as we saw in 5.03 is not his style. (He wore that "not!Sam" expression during most of that scene also). Which is incredibly disturbing if we consider that Sam might not have control of this. Reminds me of the Show's decision to make sure Ruby occupied a dead person.

More evidence of Sam's "hell" maybe?

Comments

[counteragent.livejournal.com]

If they drag this on past the mini hiatus I am likely to kill something.

Heeeee.

OMG MY VID IS ALL F'D if it's not Sam! Please, please, please let it be Sam. It's almost done!

But, wait. I don't really want it to be Sam, because even this die-hard SamGirl is ready to kill him, and I certainly don't think Dean should ever take him back.


Arggggh. I'm so torn.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

OMG MY VID IS ALL F'D if it's not Sam! Please, please, please let it be Sam. It's almost done!

It's Sam! It's Sam!! (only, not really..) But I do really think it's Sam... only... not entirely... or something... argh.

But, wait. I don't really want it to be Sam,

It's not Sam! It's not Sam! (well maybe just his body...)

Vid will be AWESOME either way. There are so many ways we can look at Sam.... anything is possible. (though it bloody better not be Sam or I will will be ready to kill him too... or at least the writers).

Really looking forward to seeing the vid. :D

[redblueskies.livejournal.com]

...if, somehow Sam is trapped inside and is aware of what he is doing then we certainly know the hell he has been living.

I wish I had something more interesting to say other than... this breaks my heart a little. But it would explain so much if Sam wasn't in the drivers seat, so to speak, and if whatever was in him was using the Campbells and Dean to get something (closer to the alpha's, maybe?)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh it totally breaks my heart too. I suppose I so desperately don't want this to be Sam because he is SOOOOO wrong and yet I don't want to have missed out on what Sam might be going through at the moment.

This is the best way I can reconcile the two.

I think most definitely this "thing" is using them all to get closer to the alphas. Might even be some sort of alpha itself. Ooooh - that might be interesting... :)

[destina.livejournal.com]

This is really an excellent post. You've taken all the little hints and cues I've been thinking about in the back of my brain, and pulled them all together beautifully - especially the ways various statements could be misinterpreted. Pretty much from the beginning, I've been of the camp that says something is dreadfully wrong with Sam, and I think now there's not much doubt it's something externally caused, not just a 'damaged' version of Sam. I like your theory about what constitutes his hell. And I still say, Castiel's remark about feeling it if Lucifer escapes the cage doesn't tell us anything about what constitutes the cage.


Something else I read and loved (sorry, can't remember where I saw this comment) but the imagery of the Impala being surrounded by barbed wire

I think that was me, in my ep post. :) But I'm sure I wasn't the only one to notice it.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

This is really an excellent post.

Oh thank you so much. I had some sort of epiphany this morning in relation to all this and just had to put it into words somehow.

And I still say, Castiel's remark about feeling it if Lucifer escapes the cage doesn't tell us anything about what constitutes the cage.

Oh yes. How interesting if our perception of a "cage" is not something physical like bars and locks but rather something metaphysical - much more abstract. How exciting if Show has explored this.

I think that was me, in my ep post.

Oh yay - it could well have been. I know you mentioned the barbed wire around the Impala. I'm thinking there was a comment about it being symbolic of Sam's soul being cages also. Such awesome imagery. Again, I'd love to think Show has been that deep in its hints about what might be going on.

(I'll credit your post hun)

<3

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

Excellent post! I'm glad you've got your mind in a place where you can deal - at least, for the time being.

I'm trying hard to relax and enjoy the ride, as I read someone posted elsewhere. It's hard when they break my freakin' heart week after week, but I am trying. :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks hun. And I'm glad my mind is in a better place to deal too. I've been so pissed and annoyed that they've been messing with Sam's character but coming to this conclusion has somehow helped me understand that maybe they are being clever here. That's my hope at least.

It's hard when they break my freakin' heart week after week, but I am trying. :)

Yeah - it kinda sucks. It's so much more fun coming off an episode like Weekend at Bobby's thatn one like last week's. But Show is like that. Having said that though, this level of satisfaction hinges very much on what they do from here. Having reached this point if they screw it up it's probably going to be even more devastating to me.

Then you'll see some ranting!!

Thanks again hun.

xx

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

I love my show. Or I will until the next time it smashes my heart into the dirt. Which will probably be next episode. *G*

And like me, even if it does, you'll still love it.


I'm beginning to get a feeling I'm not sure I'm gonna like if it happens. Of course, it could go in any direction at this point in the season.
And they may keep the ball in the air as long as possible to see if there's gonna be a 7th season.
You know how if there's a scene where you wonder if they're gonna go there? And they always do. Like the plumber working on the garbage disposal.
*gack!*
Well, I'm thinking to put it in Bobby's words, I think it's gonna end "Bloody and bad".

Now most people like and want happy endings. Me, not so much. Not if it interferes with a good storyline. It would be like putting a "they all lived happily ever after on the end of "Psycho". That would be worse than fingers on a chalk board.
Same thing if they end SN on a TALHEA ending. It would be a total sellout to the masses. I hope they stay true to the horror and darkness aspect of the show.

I think it's possible both Bros will be killed and taken to Hell. Think about what a great movie it would make to get them out of Hell!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

And like me, even if it does, you'll still love it.

Oh yes. Very likely. But I have to say...I've never been quite so set on an idea as this, so if they screw with it too much (and make either of the boys "evil" or stupid or continue with Sam being not!Sam or make Dean clueless ) I might just find the end of that rope...

But I am good a reassessing... so who knows... :)


Now most people like and want happy endings.

Hee! Me! That's me! Even if they end up dead I want them dead together. That constitutes a happy ending for me. That's why Swan Song killed me. It was such a sad ending. I sincerely hope they hadn't planned on that ending if the series had finished. I would never have lived with that. Driving off into the sunset or going down in a blaze of glory for me is the ending for me.:)

It would be like putting a "they all lived happily ever after on the end of "Psycho". That would be worse than fingers on a chalk board.

Hmm..I actually love those kind of endings. But for films mostly, not for a long running TV series that I have invested my emotion and time in. Psycho was brilliant (Hitchcock is one of my all time fav film makers) but I wasn't invested in the characters the way I am here. If my boys don't have some sort of reward in the end for all their efforts it will indeed break my heart.

Though you'll have to translate "TALHEA" for me.. eekk.../o\ No idea..

I have no issue with remaining true to the horror though I'm thinking SPN is more than just a horror genre show. It's dark and I love that about it but for me it's also about that characters that try and carve some light into that. (wow! that sounded wanky didn't it?! I better stop now!! *g*)

Think about what a great movie it would make to get them out of Hell!

Ark! I think the only way I could accept them dying and going to hell is if the DID make a movie about them getting out. These boys don't deserve hell. Love to see a movie though. <33

[heartlessbytchh.livejournal.com]

"TALHEA" = They all lived happily everafter

I sometimes think Nothappy endings are the best. Maybe I'm just a little twisted. But you can't always have the bubble gum flavor. Sometimes you gotta have the habanero surprise.
LOL

I'm thinking SPN is more than just a horror genre show.

Totally agree. I think that's why we love the show so much. Not just for the pretteh, but the quality of the show and depth of characters and the range of the actors. Gotta admit the special effects are pretty cool too.
:D

[dotfic.livejournal.com]

Sorry to threadjack -- I have to disagree that it's a sellout to the masses to have a happy ending on SPN. The show has always been about hope to me and each time they seem to be going somewhere irretrievably dark, there's always a turn (here's hoping there's one this time.)

Despite the fact that it's a horror show, I think SPN for a long time had a happy ending as part of its possibility and design, and they darken their heroes but only so far. The loss of that would be a fundamental change to the show's nature as I understood it.

It's really personal preference and how people see SPN, each to their own. But it's not a "selling out" to let them be happy.

Whatever else it is, it's the emotions and relationships that drew me in to begin with.

[dotfic.livejournal.com]

I like your idea about Sam is in his hell right now, really there with Dean in body but in the cage of his own bones and Sam is in there forced to watch himself be horrible -- and then maybe we'll have Dean saving Sam from hell?

It's hard for me to think Sam has been playing Dean right along with the kinder moments so far this season. That's really chilling and I would rather it not have been Sam at all in that case, even if it's his actual body.

My best guess now is actual Sam does peek through at moments, but maybe his soul is damaged or maybe he and Lucifer are doing a timeshare without Sam being aware of it. With Sam's soul maybe it's like a lightbulb on the fritz, sometimes he's there and sometimes the lights are out. That would allow for the kinder glimmers to be genuine, while the damaged or missing part of his soul changes his behavior.

Sigh. I just really wanted Sam to have a human, emotion based arc but the best option now is supernatural victim/still in hell/soul-damaged or gone MIA. Because if Sam is in charge, I don't see how to come back from this, and Sam already has his redemption arc, he had a powerful redemption arc, including gaining control over an addiction. And I'm sorry on his behalf for how this story seems to be going.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

It's hard for me to think Sam has been playing Dean right along with the kinder moments so far this season.

Yeah it is for me too. I think the ramifications of that will be massive, but strangely I am more settled with that then the idea that he's either not there at all or is in some way damaged enough that this is his actual behaviour.

but maybe his soul is damaged or maybe he and Lucifer are doing a timeshare without Sam being aware of it

I think this it is totally possible. I've been liking the idea that remnants to Lucifer's souls in still be in him. But the more I thought about (and um... :koff:: can you tell I've been doing a lot of thinking about it../o\) it's easier for me to think that we've never seen Sam poke through. Mainly because if he did I would imagine seeing a very torn, angst Sammy trying to reach out to Dean for help. But equally I suppose, he could be damaged and unaware enough not to do that.

I just really wanted Sam to have a human, emotion based arc

Yeah. Me to. But I think that's slipping through our fingers. I've tried to somehow make some sense of what we've seen and put it in a place I can now deal. Having said that though I have much a stronger idea of where they could be going with this and if they shatter that and make Sam YET AGAIN seek some sort of redemption or have him have somehow know what he's been doing to Dean, well, then...I'm thinking last straw. :(

I can still see Sam having a human, emotional story after this is revealed. They will have a lot of catching up to do but the potential is there. Will they use it? Unfortunately I doubt it. But, as per usual, we will have to see.

Thanks honey. I've been thinking about the WAY to much. Guess that's what happens when hubby leaves me on my own.

(And damnit! I've even putting together a picspam for later. Not on Sam though *g*).

*smish*

[cece-away.livejournal.com]

You've put a lot of thought into this. The living hell right now is a new one for me, but it totally makes a kind of sense.

I love the show no matter where they go with. Of course I want it to go a way I want it to, but sometimes it's nice to see how it all spirals out of my own little happydom too.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You've put a lot of thought into this.

/o\ I have haven't I?! Far too much me thinks, but it's been BUGGING be and it kinda fell into place in my head and I needed to write it down.

The idea of Sam in hell kind of emerged has I was writing. It seemed to be one option. It allows Sam to be around while all this is taking place. Awful though - but to me quite an interesting angle.

Of course I want it to go a way I want it to, but sometimes it's nice to see how it all spirals out of my own little happydom too.

Hee! Yes. I have no doubt that none of this will actually transpire. I enjoy being surprised and I hope if they do surprise me it will be in a good way!

:D

[girlyghoul70.livejournal.com]

As much as it has been extremely hard to watch it certainly makes for an interesting story

That's what I'm loving at the moment. I was REALLY hoping for a Season where the Brother were back to being Brothers- saving people, hunting things, having each other's backs. But from episode one it was obviously not meant to be. I felt let down, but was willing to go along and see where they took it all.

I sincerely hope they do justice to his side of the story. They seem to enjoy making Sam the one we hate. Something else missyjack said that for me is spot on It’s an ongoing frustration for me that Dean’s character flaws are viewed almost as noble (as loveable) by fandom, but Sam’s are seen very differently, as failings.

This is something that's always bugged me in the fandom. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions and to view the show as they wish to view it. But it always surprised me that so many folks are always pointing out how one brother (usually Dean) is so awesome and perfect while the other (usually Sam) is so irredeemably flawed and can do nothing right. I never thought that was the way these characters were being presented on the show. Even as they had so many people insisting it was their destiny to be pitted against one another like Lucifer and Michael, going all the way back to Cain and Abel, yadda yadda- They fought against those roles. I never thought it was meant for the fans to have to choose one side or the other. I always saw two very well-rounded characters each with their own strengths and weaknesses, flaws and redeeming qualities, both cursed in their own ways and coping the best they knew how. I felt for both of them.

Then Sam comes back from Hell all wrong and off and I got worried. I was afraid they had given in to the fan!girls and were going to play the Sam = Big Bad Meanie and Dean = Perfect Put Upon Woobie. By the second episode I felt pretty sure they were in fact going in this direction and was ready to throw in the towel on the Show. (But they lured me back with Castiel and Shirtless Sweaty Sammy... damn them!)

But now that they've acknowledge that there is something very wrong with Sam (and not that he's being the big bad meanie to woobify Dean) I'm deeply intrigued and wondering "What's it all about, Sammy?"

Will Sam be ever forgiven for this? I've heard even die hard sam!girls say they are loosing patience with him. I'm not. Sam is a victim here as is Dean.

This is how I see it too. Sam, for all his flaws, has always been a character who's struggled to rise above his circumstances. It's that struggle to make things better, to set things right that's made him seem sympathetic to me- even when it's obvious to the audience he's going about it all wrong (*cough cough* most of Season 4) This is the Sam I'm rooting for and watching for and expecting to rise above... what ever the heck is going on now.

I may be putting too much faith in the powers that be. But as of this moment I'm excited to see what they'll do to a)explain all this and b) resolve it. Here's hoping!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Absolutely! I agree with everything you've said here.

It's been a damm roller coaster ride of emotion. I was really upset after last weeks episode (hence long rambly meta post *g*) because they really showed an awful side of Sam, but in hindsight they made it very clear that something is so very wrong it has now become intriguing.

For me, so much will depend now on how they play this out. I've said a few times around the place I really hope to look a back on these first few episodes and see how truly clever they have been.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :)

[yaya-wr8t3r.livejournal.com]

*hits head on desk* in a good way ;) because now I'm thinking of more theories about Sam! One of mine is that Sam is suffering from multiple personality disorder. That we see glimpses of the real Sam but then the other thing inside Sam (Lucifer maybe) takes over and the calculated approaches to everything is really him and Sam is trapped inside his body and mind. Sort of like Swan Song and the mirror scene. I'm hoping we get some answers quick cause with every episode we are getting hints and clues, we need answers as well and it better be some satisfying ones too!

It's sad to think that our Sammy is trapped witnessing all this horror and not being able to do much about it. And when he is let go for a bit he's probably too weak to react as fast as he would like. Huh! Some really interesting thoughts here :D

Can't wait for the next episode \o and I'm still a Sam fan, no way can I turn my back on him now, no way no how.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi!

It's certainly a hard one to pin down isn't it? At the moment I think anything is possible. I've read many different takes and this one is the one that sits well with me at the moment. (Of course that will all probably change next ep!).

It worries me to think that any of what we've seen is Sam. I'm not even convinced that even the very "Sam" type moments have been him. The reason I think he's in there is because he is still very much like him (memories, things he says, looks he makes), but his actions are nothing like him. I can see that could also be read as multiple personality disorder. If that's the case that boys sure has a lot of healing to do. Though, he's going to have a heap of healing to do in any case I reckon.

It's sad to think that our Sammy is trapped witnessing all this horror and not being able to do much about it.

Yeah - it's awful isn't it? And to be honest I don't think show will take it there. I mean, they did for BUaBS. I'm just wondering if they would risk extending that kind of possession. Ark! I suppose we'll find out.

and I'm still a Sam fan, no way can I turn my back on him now, no way no how.

Me too! *clings*

[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

Sam has seemed like it's his body but he's not in the driver's seat. Maybe like possession. There is a surface knowledge of how Sam would act in situations but not even really enough for a good impersonation. If that's the case, whatever is at the wheel really has it in for Dean. The look that Sam had when Dean got turned struck me as more than a smirk. There seemed to be a certain satisfaction and an interest and focus on the whole event could have been an inhuman reaction, kind of bloodthirsty. I've wondered about a possessed Sam since the look that Sam gave Dean and the Impala keys when Dean offered the car in the first episode. Like there was no recognition of what significance the offer really had.

If they drag this on past the mini hiatus I am likely to kill something.

Totally agree.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah - I've been not really wanting it to be possession but more and more it looks like he's not in the drivers seat, as you say. It's sad because it would mean we have been watching something other than Sam for 5 episodes. The only way I can reconcile that slightly is that he could somehow be aware of what's happening to him and therefore we are witnessing some of his story.

I've wondered about a possessed Sam since the look that Sam gave Dean and the Impala keys when Dean offered the car in the first episode. Like there was no recognition of what significance the offer really had.

Yeah - so many instances when it's just clearly not Sam. Dean's offered the keys before and there was much more emotional attached then we saw here. Oh Sam... :(((

Looking foward (but also biting nails) for the next episode.

:)

[sothcweden.livejournal.com]

Just finished watching the most recent ep about an hour ago, and I'm still kind of appalled. They had better fix things between the guys at some point, and we'd better find out what the hell is going on with Sam. Your post is made of awesome.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

It's a shock isn't it?! My episode reaction was very ranty and appalled. I've had time to think things through here, but I'm still saddened by the course of events.

They had so better fix this soon.

xx

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

I have nothing constructive to add to this. Just wanted to say (again.)

"What she said!"

Especially this..

"If it turns out that no part of this is Sam I will be disappointed. If it turns out that this is indeed Sam but some sort of psychopathic version, I will be disappointed. If Dean doesn't play some part in bringing Sam back or even realising it's not Sam I will be sad and disappointed. If they drag this on past the mini hiatus I am likely to kill something."

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee!

<333

[varkelton]

Amen, sister.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*high fives*

and

*smishes*

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

Oooh...I love your thoughts!! I'm all the way with you on this. :))
I didn't read much meta. I think I'm so busy enjoying strange!Sam that I haven't felt the need to look at the reasons why.

If they drag this on past the mini hiatus I am likely to kill something.

LoL! I know when to get out of your way then... :D

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks babe. I enjoy the meta reading I have to say. I mean, there's a few people I stalk and enjoy reading their thoughts. I've been desperately wanting to get a handle on this. But really - it's just something to do. :)

I know when to get out of your way then... :D

No no no... I'll need extra hugs if I get this desperate! :D

xx

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

I'm looking forward now to if this is what's going on with Sam or something else. You awakened my curiousity with your thoughts. :)

And I'm always ready to hug you. (After you killed something (else).. :D)

xoxo

[jo-anne8.livejournal.com]

Excellent, excellent post!!!! I was linked here from a post by my friend, growyourwings. :D

"Lackluster men" is what Meg called Sam and Dean at the beginning of Devil's Trap. Lackluster, is how I describe Sam's attempt at fighting everything evil since the season began. Here he has, in his own words, been hunting non-stop for a year. A year! Yet, in 6.01 when the Djinn is attacking him, he is ineffective and Samuel has to come in and save him. Once again, in 6.02, he cannot defend himself when the shapeshifter entered the panic room. Now, in 6.05 after smirking as he watched his brother being turned by the vampire, the attempt to attack the vamp was feeble at best. Sam is not even trying and I swear, I felt as though the vamp knew this, knew who "Sam" really was and that is why he left him alone and ran off. I briefly read someone else's review and they too felt as though Sam was not all alone in his body.
What you and your friends have said above is helping this all makes some sense now to me. The statement that Sam has been using Dean as bait all along - well, I heard a loud "click" when I read that.

You have made so many good points here and mentioning "the hug" and how that was clearly not a "Thank goodness, I have my beloved brother back" hug. Watching Sam help Dean sit up the other night and patting him on the chest with another smirk on his face - I almost expected a thumbs up and "Good Job!"

Just think of in Mystery Spot, Sam's whole demeanor when he got up from his bed, walked over to Dean and filled to the brim with emotion, hugged the stuffing out of Dean. Now, compare that to these 2 moments.

No - this is Not!Sam and like you have said, what complete torture it must be for real Sam, if he is somewhere inside looking out.

Thank you so much!

JoAnne :)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi,

The statement that Sam has been using Dean as bait all along - well, I heard a loud "click" when I read that.

Yeah. That was the sound I heard when I read a couple of posts about that. It just clicked into place a bit more. And as unhappy as I am that they've taken Sam down this route if that's been the plan all along and we are going to get a reveal and then some major healing I will be ok with that.

As long as they do it soon.

I'll be very interested to see if they play with the idea that Sam is still inside and seeing all this. I somewhat doubt it because I think it would be just too torturous - but at least it means we are seeing some of his story.

I'm glad this made some sense to you too. :)
xx

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

Excellent pulling together of all the hints.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thank you. And unfortunately the more I've been thinking about it, the more "hints" I think have been dropped.

We'll see I suppose. I'm hoping for answers in the next ep.

Thanks so much for dropping in.
<3

[tabaqui]

I agree with all of this. I'm a Winchester!boy!girl and i have nothing but love for both of them, and oh man. Watching this season has been fucking heartrending.

I love your cool analysis and you interesting ideas - more stuff to ponder! Thanks for sharing. :)

Um - no clue how i'm here. I've had this in a tab since early this morning and have completely forgotten. Possibly from the newsletter.
*waves*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi and *waves* back...

I love both my boys too and it hurts to see them so far apart from each other. I just hope they had a way of repairing this without taking them even further apart.

Thanks so much for stopping by. (I'm always curious how people come to find stuff... the newsletter is awesome for that *g*)

xx