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and there's been drinking.



I've had many thinky thoughts about the show lately. Not in the terms of will Dean experience a complete melt down before the end of the season or is Sam coping as well as he seems etc. But more...I know this show is flawed (there are problematic story arcs and character arcs and plot holes etc etc and yet I am STILL totally in love and invested in it.

I've just happened upon something [livejournal.com profile] transfixeddream stated, nearly a year ago:

Sam is stupid. Dean is stupid. They're both fucking stupid, but it's okay because they're pretty.

That's it in a goddamn nutshell.

Sam's flawed. Dean's flawed But they're so goddamn fucking gorgeous it doesn't matter. In fact, it's BECAUSE they are stupid, flawed and gorgeous that it matters. Always has. Probably always will.

I heard recently that Jensen answered the question "why did Dean kill Amy?" with "because he's an asshole" at a con. I really love that. They are not only stupid and flawed but they are also assholes. (Of course! How could they have survived without being all those things?!).

They are also heroes. Who happen to have beautiful eyes and freckles and pecs and hair and.. *thud*). They are also brothers who love and adore each other (which can be taken as gen or so freakin' easily as soooo much more).


Oh Show. What the hell is it about you that let's me forgive all your inconsistencies? (answer.. eps like Slash Fiction and Hello Cruel World maybe..)



Evidence of the pretty! :D

Date: 2011-12-10 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maichan.livejournal.com
Sam is stupid. Dean is stupid. They're both fucking stupid, but it's okay because they're pretty fucking.

Date: 2011-12-10 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] galwithglasses.livejournal.com
Plus, no matter how badly you burn dinner you can still think "at least I didn't start the apocalypse." Kidding aside, the acting is usually pretty good even from guest stars playing the MOW. Oh ok.....really it's because SamnDean are hot and badass...I have no excuses....

The fans are fun too. I don't think I'd care near as much if there wasn't such an enthusiastic creative group of people who also cared.

Date: 2011-12-11 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zimshan.livejournal.com
It's the devastating, fucked-up, shared history between the boys. It's never not going to make me sob like a moron when I think about the full emotional scope of their story. But that the show always makes me laugh and lets them be silly and stupid and assholes even while they're being heroes and being flawed and ripping my heart out? All of that all together is why I stay around.

I was raised on Joss Whedon storytelling. Which I sum up with two core principles: A) "hold a character over the edge of the volcano and he'll show you who he really is" and, B) "Make [a story] dark, make it grim, make it tough, but then, for the love of God, tell a joke!" That SPN accomplishes this with that devastating, fucked up shared history for the last seven years, pretty much guarantees I will be the show's bitch for life. ;)

Date: 2011-12-11 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redteekal.livejournal.com
I like how they are stupid. I like how they can be assholes and are flawed. Makes me think these are totally two human beings with no superpowers who definitely could be anyone you might meet in this world today right now. This is why this show can be nominated for best drama AND best scifi/fantasy because it's the story of two realistic characters (who just happen to be scorchingly gorgeous which is very helpful) that has ghosts. As Dean would say "Its very compelling".

But would fandom be so intensely supportive if the leads were not as pretty? I muse on that one from time to time and then I think why am I wasting my precious Sam and Dean watching time here? I should be appreciating the pretty not thinking in What ifs...:)

Date: 2011-12-11 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherry916.livejournal.com
That's the beauty of the show.

Which is grounding people in horrible events and showcasing how flawed humans, monsters, angels can be and that NO one is perfect, we all make mistakes but the measure of the man isn't in the mistake he made but how he goes about correcting it.

Date: 2011-12-11 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amnisias.livejournal.com
Who would ever want to watch a show with flawless characters? What is the point of that? Humans are flawed, do not always behave politically correct or in a logical manner. They are train wrecks waiting to happen. That's the kind of people I want to watch on my TV.

As to the pretty. That's not just SPN, actors on the whole are prettier than 'normal people'. Buffy, Angel & Spike were pretty, and the BSG crew weren't downright ugly either. Flight 734 on LOST was heavily biased to the pretty as well. If I had to chose between pretty and good acting, I'd always go for acting, but unfortunately there seem to be enough people around who are atractive as well good actors, so I don't have to chose - Phew!

Date: 2011-12-11 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elsewhere91.livejournal.com
It's so weird i was thinking about this question on my long bus ride to college a few days ago about why i still love show. I love show, i do, but it's not perfect, it's very flawed. And sometimes i do become extremely pissed off at it in terms of character or plot development and sometimes the writing can be a bit sloppy but i still love it. There are episodes that are my favourite and that can make me cry, laugh or both and there are episodes that i hate, that piss me off, but i still love show.

So i was wondering why i still love show and i realised that i do love that ALL the characters, but especially Sam and Dean are really flawed, I love that they are so human, and that sometimes there are times in show when you just want to slap them or hug them or whatever but i love how just..human they are. That they make mistakes, that they argue, that they repeat their mistakes and actions, that they act like brothers and they can and have hurt each other. Also i like that they don't hug a lot or cry on each others shoulders a lot, that what's not said is just as important as what is said. I love how the characters have evolved and grown and changed yet still kept that same central core that makes Sam Sam and Dean Dean

I love how depressing this show can be but it still has hope, like life. That this show can make the two leads so dark and ambiguous with their actions and that they aren't so black and white and clear cut is so great.

I love how this show can still surprise me years later, can still make me cry and i love how i can still watch a season 1 episode and still notice things that i haven't noticed before.

i love how many things in this show aren't always shown and answered and that things are always up to interpretation and are ambiguous. Not everything is wrapped up or resolved at all and even if it is resolved it's not in a clean neat bow. I also love that there's these different layers to the show that i'm just starting to see.

Plus the acting is great, and of course Jared and Jensen are gorgeous, so you know that doesn't hurt :)

Wow, sorry this is really long. Oh and by the way can i friend you? I just love your episode reviews and posts.

Date: 2011-12-11 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] no-ones-sleep.livejournal.com
O dear- you have no idea what uproar you just caused in my little world. I won't bother you with explanations (it has to do with Heroes and what Milo Ventimiglia said about the character he played), but could you tell me where you found that Dean-is-an-asshole-quote from Jensen? I know it is stupid and that he probably didn't mean it, and maybe it was meant to be funny, but I am... I can't go through this again. It really hurts me. Fandom, I tell you...

I actually enjoy show right now. I watch it because it is dark, hopeless and tries to destroy the character I love so much, and as long as he doesn't break for good, all is well. Sort of. I need to know that we can be stronger than anything that is thrown our way, that fate, destiny or whatever enemy cannot make us give up for good, and Dean is the fighter par excellence. Like you said- a hero.

Date: 2011-12-12 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sothcweden.livejournal.com
I agree about the flawed and the pretty, but what brings me back week after week (other than sharing with other fans) is that while the boys are being assholes and fucking up all over the place, that they try not to. That they try to help others and be better, even if they often fail at both. They haven't entirely given in to the idea of just taking from the world, but try to leave it in better, safer shape.

Date: 2011-12-15 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-sigh.livejournal.com
You completely speak my mind on Show!!

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