8.07 episode reaction (NOT a review...)
Nov. 15th, 2012 11:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Please do not enter this post if you want squee. Or if you want a rational, non passionate (objective-free) review of that episode. The passion doesn’t come from a good place I’m afraid.
I feel particularly bad after making new friends...*glings* I pride myself on being positive but I can’t be positive if I don’t feel it. Ack! I'm so sorry... (run!)
I was in two minds about even doing a reaction post because I believe if you can’t say something nice it’s better not to say anything at all. But I use my journal to post about my show so I figured I would. Plus, I seriously need to get some grievences off my chest. They are NOT character issues. It's not character bashing - it's just me being unhappy and therefore passionate (aka ranty).
So… turn back now (REALLY!) if you’re jumping about and want someone to share your squee with. However, if you can shed some light on what I might have missed then I'm up for it. :))
(I do have some positives which are at the end of the post…*g*)
Firstly. That was the most boring episode in the history of the show for me. I have never (never I tell you!) felt like either turning the show off or fast forwarding it more than I did tonight. In fact, I did fast forward it once.:((( (sorry show...I tried not to but I just DID NOT CARE!).
I have never been less interested in any of the storylines than that one. I have been trying to figure out why. Seriously. I really want to grasp what it was.
I think I will have to finally come clean with myself (and anyone who decided to read on) that I have completely lost interest and patience with the demons and angels story line. During the “previouslies” I actually groaned. Groaned I tells ya! I just didn't want an episode that revisited all that stuff...(so I poured myself a glass of wine to steal myself…)
It didn’t help. Try as I might (and fuck I tried many times) I just did not get into it. It isn't good that this is the major story arc this season /o\. I seriously have to get on board with this if I am going to make it through to the end. (Muttering "get on with it" every few minutes does not bode well...*sad face*)
Secondly. Oh man...my secondly is filled with so much stuff that I can’t even.
So let’s do this... (I need to get this off my chest….).
I hated (to the point of almost crying) that there was no mention, no NOTHING about last week’s episode. It was as if that incredibly important, powerful moment between them didn’t even happen. I kept trying to find things – some indication that it had mattered, or that it even occurred. But no. The most I could find was that Sam kept asking Dean if he was all right and hovering around him. Now, normally I would be all squeeful for this brotherly concern but it was difficult to be when I kept waiting for some acknowledgement of what had happened.
Was Sam’s constant worrying some show of his guilt maybe? Was he pandering to Dean’s every twitch because he knows how hurt he really is? I think not. It was just, from Show's POV...let's get on with the next episode. Who cares about what happened before this. I get that Dean could just move on because he couldn’t remember what he said…but Sam? I needed something.
It obviously wasn’t that important *sniff*
The torture was really hard going for me. That scene with Crowley and the angel guy was so disturbing. But also boring. I think torture works if it’s either on someone we care about because we have an established relationship with the character, or if it's poignant. That poor guy. (did he die in the end? I couldn’t tell…)
Normally Kevin and Mom provide some levity and interest, but all they did was shout (why did they shout and not just talk to each other?) and “act” and it was totally unbelievable to me. I just don’t get why they couldn’t have given us that wonderfully strong, clever and maternal mom we first met in Tiger Mom. Instead we had a caricature. It was all so very try hard. I don’t blame the actors. In fact I totally commend Osric for his performance. I could see him trying to bring depth to his character. He has made me like Kevin, which is no mean feat considering I really didn’t like the idea of him when he was first introduced. (His torture I really felt. And kind of hated because I really felt it! Arghhh... Poor Kevin!)
The holy water spraying was there as a joke (and I did love the water gun at toward the end) but it was totally stupid. Especially if it meant re-laying the salt line every time. Why couldn't she be smart?
And speaking of smart. We knew the witch was going to be bad yeah? So all that stuff was a complete and utter waste of time. And all those derogatory comments toward her? And then she dies? I could have done without that. (Actually, I tuned out of all her scenes… a complete waste of time).
Humans don’t matter. But worse than that....It doesn’t even MATTER that humans don’t matter. Dean killed that demon in the trunk.. WHY?! What’s wrong with a good old fashioned exorcism? Sam wiped out…what…3 humans with that bomb? Bring back blood drinking Sam just so he can save humans. Please! (no not really but I NEED them to care about human meatsuits. They just don't care about the human collateral anymore. The thing that makes Sam and Dean..SAM AND DEAN is that they care about humans. No longer it seems. D:)
I don’t mind Crowley in small (and I mean SMALL!) doses. I always think badies are best mysterious. We just see too much of him. I liked some of the one liners – they were amusing, but what he was actually doing was truly nasty (and ultimately boring).
And I get it. Demons are nasty. Crowley is nasty. But do we need to see traumatized children and women being exploded into bits? I just… can we please be done with him. *feels disloyal* (though I have never really liked him so I don't feel turncoat).
EXTRA WARNING! (if you are still reading) Here's my Cas and Dean stuff...so PLEASE move along if you have come this far because I need to say this but I know some of you will be cross with me. *sheepish*
I think because I don’t give a rats arse about Cas and Dean’s relationship I find anything that’s all about their relationship completely and utterly boring. (I've said boring far too many times yeah?) That’s not to say I find Cas or Dean boring at all. I just find Show’s attempts to make that “something” really friggin’ try hard. I know that’s not fair and I get that Dean/Cas fans will be squeeing to high heaven and I am happy for them, but for me I just don’t feel it. Dean and Benny’s friendship makes so much more sense to me. It’s gritty and honest and they seemed well matched in terms of their personalities. But I just can’t see why Dean and Cas are friends. Why? I really need someone to explain that to me. Dean seems to suddenly have this..omg I’m not leaving you thing going on when Cas actually left Dean to fend for himself in Purgatory (and dammit there's so much more... I’m not going to even go into it all). I suppose I just have to trust it’s there. AGAIN! I'm sick of just trying to find reasons why they get on. (and actually, I wonder if that's the same for fans who wonder way Sam and Dean get on? Maybe opposites attract? Maybe it's the way I can see every little nuance when it's Sam and Dean but not see it when it Dean and Cas. I get it, but I want to see more than just the ship on the show. I want to see the real friendship...) And I am NOT having a go at Dean/Cas fans. AT ALL! I just want the show to make sense to those who aren't shipping Dean/Cas. Give me something I can grasp here. PLEASE! And why do all DeannCas episodes have to exclude Sam (perhaps there lies be the rub...).
And ...um...was Sam even in that episode? Oh yes.. that’s right. He was on the computer. You are such good exposition Sam. Thanks for that. (I did like you reassuring Dean though. I know you don't need any reassuring because you are just so stoic and friggin' cardboard cut out...D:)
And there was this. This fucking killed me:
Dean: I was there. I know that place. I know we had to scratch and claw and kill and bleed to find that portal
Oh really? Because all the footage we’ve seen so far didn’t give us that. I’m surprised there weren’t violins playing in the background. There were (awful) camera zooms – jerky little…THIS IS IMPORTANT…signals from the director.
For fucks sake! Treat us like intelligent viewers. (I commend Jensen for giving us his extra serious face. He was trying to sell that, but it just didn’t wash with me). Or maybe the director was making the most out of clunky dialogue.
Now for the positive:
SAM IN BED AND FACING DEAN! Yeah...I'm grasping all those little, TINY Sam'n Dean moments. And sleepy Sam in a Tee...thank you! Sam hand on Dean's shoulder? \o/ Thank you! (but in context....grrrrrr.....)
The effects were great (yep, that’s like saying to an actor the set was awesome). There seemed to be more effects in this than we’ve seen before. The storm was cool, Cas as a full on angel was super cool (love the extra blue eyes!). The leviathans in Purgatory always look great. There were others…they were all pretty smooth for TV.
The reminder of the "perspective" theme was good. Dean remembered it one way – Cas gave him the “truth”. (So I wonder how much "truth" Dean isn't remembering?)
The hotel was interesting. (I spent a lot of time looking at the motel). Lots of prop reuse – the fridge, lamp, floor …WALL (yay!)
LOVED the wallpaper! Lots of flowers…again. They love flowered wall paper - and those flowers were awesome! (warning me that there was a lot of clunky, "meaningful"and completely empty moments in that motel room. *snark* sorry...).
One last thing. (*yikes* back to negative) Cas is on call for the boys - which is great of course because as soon as they are in danger they just have to call on Cas to save them. Oh yay! Cas can fix everything! \o/ Let's have entire episodes of them trying to work things out, get hurt and Cas can swoop in and fix them. Or what? Cas can't be found because he's busy in heaven?
I know, I know. I shouldn't resort to sarcasm but from where I'm sitting they have (one again!) worked themselves into a corner. If they have an angel on their shoulder they can do anything. Now Show has to work out ways that Cas CAN'T help them because he's...I don't know... crazy or a megalomaniac (I did like that comment!) or impotent or busy maybe?
And on top of that he won't remember his "reporting back" so he's "betraying" them which will play into Dean's betrayal issues and...*yawn*. And then there's Cas's "I'm not worthy issues' *double yawn* (oh me! How the fuck so cynical?!)
This is the closest - THE CLOSEST I have come to being so pissed off with the show that I could conceivably quit it. (hee..rage quit hubby just told me! He wishes...). That's really drastic for me and i think I have finally understood why there are disgruntled fans.
WHAAAAA! I don't want to quit you! I can cope with all the shit between Sam and Dean. AS LONG AS IT'S ABOUT THEM! I DO care if I'm bored! I do care if YOU DON'T MAKE FUCKING SENSE! I DO care when you FORGET THE PREVIOUS EPISODE!
I love you! Don't leave meeeeeeee *glings*
It's completely my fault of course. I often thought..."I can't imagine why fans aren't interested in the show anymore", then they give me an episode that makes me actually understand that. :(
I'm going to be one of those fans leaving the show kicking and screaming I'm afraid. If it continues like this (next 3 eps say?) then I promise I'll leave quietly. :((
*deep sigh*
(apologies for typos...it's late. I'm annoyed and sad. I'm not good at proof reading).
Please do not enter this post if you want squee. Or if you want a rational, non passionate (objective-free) review of that episode. The passion doesn’t come from a good place I’m afraid.
I feel particularly bad after making new friends...*glings* I pride myself on being positive but I can’t be positive if I don’t feel it. Ack! I'm so sorry... (run!)
I was in two minds about even doing a reaction post because I believe if you can’t say something nice it’s better not to say anything at all. But I use my journal to post about my show so I figured I would. Plus, I seriously need to get some grievences off my chest. They are NOT character issues. It's not character bashing - it's just me being unhappy and therefore passionate (aka ranty).
So… turn back now (REALLY!) if you’re jumping about and want someone to share your squee with. However, if you can shed some light on what I might have missed then I'm up for it. :))
(I do have some positives which are at the end of the post…*g*)
Firstly. That was the most boring episode in the history of the show for me. I have never (never I tell you!) felt like either turning the show off or fast forwarding it more than I did tonight. In fact, I did fast forward it once.:((( (sorry show...I tried not to but I just DID NOT CARE!).
I have never been less interested in any of the storylines than that one. I have been trying to figure out why. Seriously. I really want to grasp what it was.
I think I will have to finally come clean with myself (and anyone who decided to read on) that I have completely lost interest and patience with the demons and angels story line. During the “previouslies” I actually groaned. Groaned I tells ya! I just didn't want an episode that revisited all that stuff...(so I poured myself a glass of wine to steal myself…)
It didn’t help. Try as I might (and fuck I tried many times) I just did not get into it. It isn't good that this is the major story arc this season /o\. I seriously have to get on board with this if I am going to make it through to the end. (Muttering "get on with it" every few minutes does not bode well...*sad face*)
Secondly. Oh man...my secondly is filled with so much stuff that I can’t even.
So let’s do this... (I need to get this off my chest….).
I hated (to the point of almost crying) that there was no mention, no NOTHING about last week’s episode. It was as if that incredibly important, powerful moment between them didn’t even happen. I kept trying to find things – some indication that it had mattered, or that it even occurred. But no. The most I could find was that Sam kept asking Dean if he was all right and hovering around him. Now, normally I would be all squeeful for this brotherly concern but it was difficult to be when I kept waiting for some acknowledgement of what had happened.
Was Sam’s constant worrying some show of his guilt maybe? Was he pandering to Dean’s every twitch because he knows how hurt he really is? I think not. It was just, from Show's POV...let's get on with the next episode. Who cares about what happened before this. I get that Dean could just move on because he couldn’t remember what he said…but Sam? I needed something.
It obviously wasn’t that important *sniff*
The torture was really hard going for me. That scene with Crowley and the angel guy was so disturbing. But also boring. I think torture works if it’s either on someone we care about because we have an established relationship with the character, or if it's poignant. That poor guy. (did he die in the end? I couldn’t tell…)
Normally Kevin and Mom provide some levity and interest, but all they did was shout (why did they shout and not just talk to each other?) and “act” and it was totally unbelievable to me. I just don’t get why they couldn’t have given us that wonderfully strong, clever and maternal mom we first met in Tiger Mom. Instead we had a caricature. It was all so very try hard. I don’t blame the actors. In fact I totally commend Osric for his performance. I could see him trying to bring depth to his character. He has made me like Kevin, which is no mean feat considering I really didn’t like the idea of him when he was first introduced. (His torture I really felt. And kind of hated because I really felt it! Arghhh... Poor Kevin!)
The holy water spraying was there as a joke (and I did love the water gun at toward the end) but it was totally stupid. Especially if it meant re-laying the salt line every time. Why couldn't she be smart?
And speaking of smart. We knew the witch was going to be bad yeah? So all that stuff was a complete and utter waste of time. And all those derogatory comments toward her? And then she dies? I could have done without that. (Actually, I tuned out of all her scenes… a complete waste of time).
Humans don’t matter. But worse than that....It doesn’t even MATTER that humans don’t matter. Dean killed that demon in the trunk.. WHY?! What’s wrong with a good old fashioned exorcism? Sam wiped out…what…3 humans with that bomb? Bring back blood drinking Sam just so he can save humans. Please! (no not really but I NEED them to care about human meatsuits. They just don't care about the human collateral anymore. The thing that makes Sam and Dean..SAM AND DEAN is that they care about humans. No longer it seems. D:)
I don’t mind Crowley in small (and I mean SMALL!) doses. I always think badies are best mysterious. We just see too much of him. I liked some of the one liners – they were amusing, but what he was actually doing was truly nasty (and ultimately boring).
And I get it. Demons are nasty. Crowley is nasty. But do we need to see traumatized children and women being exploded into bits? I just… can we please be done with him. *feels disloyal* (though I have never really liked him so I don't feel turncoat).
EXTRA WARNING! (if you are still reading) Here's my Cas and Dean stuff...so PLEASE move along if you have come this far because I need to say this but I know some of you will be cross with me. *sheepish*
I think because I don’t give a rats arse about Cas and Dean’s relationship I find anything that’s all about their relationship completely and utterly boring. (I've said boring far too many times yeah?) That’s not to say I find Cas or Dean boring at all. I just find Show’s attempts to make that “something” really friggin’ try hard. I know that’s not fair and I get that Dean/Cas fans will be squeeing to high heaven and I am happy for them, but for me I just don’t feel it. Dean and Benny’s friendship makes so much more sense to me. It’s gritty and honest and they seemed well matched in terms of their personalities. But I just can’t see why Dean and Cas are friends. Why? I really need someone to explain that to me. Dean seems to suddenly have this..omg I’m not leaving you thing going on when Cas actually left Dean to fend for himself in Purgatory (and dammit there's so much more... I’m not going to even go into it all). I suppose I just have to trust it’s there. AGAIN! I'm sick of just trying to find reasons why they get on. (and actually, I wonder if that's the same for fans who wonder way Sam and Dean get on? Maybe opposites attract? Maybe it's the way I can see every little nuance when it's Sam and Dean but not see it when it Dean and Cas. I get it, but I want to see more than just the ship on the show. I want to see the real friendship...) And I am NOT having a go at Dean/Cas fans. AT ALL! I just want the show to make sense to those who aren't shipping Dean/Cas. Give me something I can grasp here. PLEASE! And why do all DeannCas episodes have to exclude Sam (perhaps there lies be the rub...).
And ...um...was Sam even in that episode? Oh yes.. that’s right. He was on the computer. You are such good exposition Sam. Thanks for that. (I did like you reassuring Dean though. I know you don't need any reassuring because you are just so stoic and friggin' cardboard cut out...D:)
And there was this. This fucking killed me:
Dean: I was there. I know that place. I know we had to scratch and claw and kill and bleed to find that portal
Oh really? Because all the footage we’ve seen so far didn’t give us that. I’m surprised there weren’t violins playing in the background. There were (awful) camera zooms – jerky little…THIS IS IMPORTANT…signals from the director.
For fucks sake! Treat us like intelligent viewers. (I commend Jensen for giving us his extra serious face. He was trying to sell that, but it just didn’t wash with me). Or maybe the director was making the most out of clunky dialogue.
Now for the positive:
SAM IN BED AND FACING DEAN! Yeah...I'm grasping all those little, TINY Sam'n Dean moments. And sleepy Sam in a Tee...thank you! Sam hand on Dean's shoulder? \o/ Thank you! (but in context....grrrrrr.....)
The effects were great (yep, that’s like saying to an actor the set was awesome). There seemed to be more effects in this than we’ve seen before. The storm was cool, Cas as a full on angel was super cool (love the extra blue eyes!). The leviathans in Purgatory always look great. There were others…they were all pretty smooth for TV.
The reminder of the "perspective" theme was good. Dean remembered it one way – Cas gave him the “truth”. (So I wonder how much "truth" Dean isn't remembering?)
The hotel was interesting. (I spent a lot of time looking at the motel). Lots of prop reuse – the fridge, lamp, floor …WALL (yay!)
LOVED the wallpaper! Lots of flowers…again. They love flowered wall paper - and those flowers were awesome! (warning me that there was a lot of clunky, "meaningful"and completely empty moments in that motel room. *snark* sorry...).
One last thing. (*yikes* back to negative) Cas is on call for the boys - which is great of course because as soon as they are in danger they just have to call on Cas to save them. Oh yay! Cas can fix everything! \o/ Let's have entire episodes of them trying to work things out, get hurt and Cas can swoop in and fix them. Or what? Cas can't be found because he's busy in heaven?
I know, I know. I shouldn't resort to sarcasm but from where I'm sitting they have (one again!) worked themselves into a corner. If they have an angel on their shoulder they can do anything. Now Show has to work out ways that Cas CAN'T help them because he's...I don't know... crazy or a megalomaniac (I did like that comment!) or impotent or busy maybe?
And on top of that he won't remember his "reporting back" so he's "betraying" them which will play into Dean's betrayal issues and...*yawn*. And then there's Cas's "I'm not worthy issues' *double yawn* (oh me! How the fuck so cynical?!)
This is the closest - THE CLOSEST I have come to being so pissed off with the show that I could conceivably quit it. (hee..rage quit hubby just told me! He wishes...). That's really drastic for me and i think I have finally understood why there are disgruntled fans.
WHAAAAA! I don't want to quit you! I can cope with all the shit between Sam and Dean. AS LONG AS IT'S ABOUT THEM! I DO care if I'm bored! I do care if YOU DON'T MAKE FUCKING SENSE! I DO care when you FORGET THE PREVIOUS EPISODE!
I love you! Don't leave meeeeeeee *glings*
It's completely my fault of course. I often thought..."I can't imagine why fans aren't interested in the show anymore", then they give me an episode that makes me actually understand that. :(
I'm going to be one of those fans leaving the show kicking and screaming I'm afraid. If it continues like this (next 3 eps say?) then I promise I'll leave quietly. :((
*deep sigh*
(apologies for typos...it's late. I'm annoyed and sad. I'm not good at proof reading).
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Date: 2012-11-15 04:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-11-16 02:44 am (UTC)Crowley tortured and was generally awful to a lot of innocent people so he could get someone to read the tablet (something about kidnapping future prophets). Mrs Tran was stupid so they were found and Kevin got whisked away. Mom fought off the demon and wasn't killed.
Kevin had his finger cut off (totally gruesome) and so he read the tablet and it was confirmed (I think) about hell's gates. In the end I have no idea what that was even all about.
Um... Dean got out of Purg with Benny (which we knew) and Dean felt guilty because he didn't have the strength to pull Cas out. It TURNS OUT that Dean remembered it wrong! REVEAL! Cas actually pushed Dean out and chose to stay he because he wanted to be punished some more for all his sins. Dean can stop feeling guilty about at least that now.
Lot's of meaningful eyes at each other. Sam was happy to see Cas. Dean didn't trust him - so more meaningful discussions.
Ooh and....IMPORTANTLY....Cas is now a double agent. He's allowed to go when the boys call but he'll be reporting stuff back to another angel (I should get her details but I think I had fallen asleep by then). Not really sure why.
Sam felt bad for Dean. No one cared about Sam.
The end.
:)
(I'm sure you didn't want the summing up but I figure if you're going to miss it on my account I should fill you in on all those important details. :DDD)
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Date: 2012-11-16 02:57 am (UTC)Boy that sums up this episode and this season so far.
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Date: 2012-11-16 04:14 am (UTC)You know....I think I need to just admit to myself that I'm a Sam girl, will always be a Sam girl, and I don't like to share. Dean's attention, that is. I'm still over the moon for those two boys trying to find the demon who killed their mother. I love this show, but I'm like you. If they leave their center - Sam&Dean - then, it will probably be best for me to bow out.
But episodes like last week do give me hope.
Do we know who wrote this one?
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Date: 2012-11-16 04:30 am (UTC)The writers (Buckner and Ross-Leming) have written a number of episodes -
Route 666
Shut Up Dr Phil
The Slice Girls
Of Grave Importance
Heartache
Er...Mixed bag.
I too still have hope. (though...um... I've just been warned for something in 2 weeks so I think I'll be doing what you are doing. Get someone to tell me if I should watch. I'm away at camp that night anyway, so it will be a delay watch.)
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Date: 2012-11-16 04:49 am (UTC)