THIS VID! omg...

[ash48]

This is a gorgeous Sam vid. It shows why his world "imploded". Why he might have had a meltdown after Dean disappeared. Why he ran. *guh*

by DemonicLullabyMV2


On one level I can totally accept Sam mentally snapping and choosing to live in a "dream" world. A world that was safe and free of potential mistakes, but on the other hand ...NOOOOOO! You can't just NOT look for your brother Sam!

Also, (while I'm here and this damn story line just WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE!! DAMN YOU!) I wonder if Dean not trying to get Cas out of Purgatory is somehow tied into Sam not looking for Dean. If Dean was so messed up by the thought of failing to get Cas out surely the first thing he would do when he got back was to go mad looking for a way to get him out.

Just curious. Lots of little breadcrumbs are being dropped I think.

Comments

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

Beautiful. I should've known that a vid recced by you would be awesome.

I wonder if Dean not trying to get Cas out of Purgatory is somehow tied into Sam not looking for Dean.

O_o Oh, wow. How did I miss that parallel? From your mouth to Carver's ears.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I seriously hope Dean not looking is going to be considered. I don't think it's fair that Dean calls Sam on not looking when he didn't. (or rather..it is fair because that's going to be a major point later on).

Vid breaks my heart just a wee bit...:(
xoxo

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

That's a beautiful vid and yep, maybe it does explain why Sam didn't look, why he just ran and the vid makes me feel so much sympathy for Sam, what he's gone through. I don't think it will ever sit comfortably with me, I think I'll have to readjust some of my personal head canon about who I thought Sam was, I'm having to do that anyway this season.

However it does nothing to alleviate the anger I feel towards him over this whole Amelia thing. Now after her stupid statements about the dog, you probably already know I really don't like her, but JFC she doesn't deserve to be lied to, put in so much danger, how on earth is she supposed to deal with finding out the truth about the man she was hoping to set up home with or was he intending to lie to her for the rest of their lives together? How horrible is that?

**shakes head**. I, - words pretty much fail me after last week. If Sam's life with her was true, all above board, no memory twists, no heaven's green room fantasy, I just don't know how I can come to terms with it. Unless I find out Sam was putting down salt lines, has a devil's trap under the new rug, threw holy water in dad's face and she has an anti-possesion tattoo? Then no, I'm going to stay pissed at Sam no matter how sorry I feel for him, and I do want so much to feel for him, he deserves so much for saving the world, but deliberately putting this innocent "messed up" woman in the path of every fugly with Sam Winchester's name on their hit list? Every demon in hell and Crowley once Kevin escaped?

Nope, I'm hoping like shit for the Whammied!Sam to be revealed soon, because this selfish Soap!Sam is too infuriating to watch much longer. Like you I just wish the damned mystery would get cleared up one way or the other, I'm pretty sure the correlation between Dean not looking for Cas and Sam not looking for Dean will be made and the whole dangerous situation with Amelia will get shoved under the rug. I wish I could quit, I really do - hah, bet you do too! Sorry, ranting all over your journal, I really should just get over it eh?

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Unless I find out Sam was putting down salt lines, has a devil's trap under the new rug, threw holy water in dad's face and she has an anti-possesion tattoo?

I KNOW! See ... this! This is why this is all so WEIRD! At least when Dean was with Lisa he acknowledged that monsters were out there. So far we haven't seen that from Sam. But then again we really haven't seen ANYTHING about this time with Amelia. It's as though NOTHING about Sam's past life has been brought into this. Now, I don't know whether to be excited by that (because that could feed into all his flashbacks being unreal) or worried because it looks like they haven't considered this. (seriously?)

Even the vid (I think) suggests that it's a mental thing.

I have to say I haven't even considered Amelia being in danger. That's an excellent point and...*guh*...a man like Sam would consider that. You're right. I just HAVE to somehow accept that Sam has removed himself completely from that world and just didn't want to see or acknowledge that that world even existed. (or his memories are being tampered with...or something).

I have to admit (different to you I'm thinking *g*) last weeks ep spoke to me about how screwed up Sam was. It was all so wrong so I don't see it as a soap opera life or story but rather a wish on Sam's part for it to be just that. I am hoping (!!!) that they are being clever here. IF it turns out that he's just been living this "normal" life with nothing else going on then yeah...I'M RIGHT WITH YOU! There just has to be more.... (please!)

Ultimately, with everything we know about Sam, I can't believe he wouldn't look. So yeah, I'm still hanging on to there being something more. (much the way I did in S6)

*clings*

[de-nugis.livejournal.com]

Given that Dean went into Lisa and Ben's minds without their knowledge or consent and erased their experiences, leaving them vulnerable to the supernatural with no indication that any measures were being taken to protect them (and I don't even think that that practical danger is remotely the worst thing about that whole thing), and THIS ACTION HAS NEVER BEEN MENTIONED OR CONFRONTED SINCE THE EP WHERE IT HAPPENED, not to mention Cas leaving Amelia and Clair Novak and poor plot device Daphne in his wake, I think the chances of the show ever really addressing the consequences for the women and children who have the misfortune to tangle with its protagonists' lives are pretty small.

/bitter

OTOH, maybe they are planning to end the series with Lisa and Ben and Clair and Daphne and both Amelias getting together and pooling their knowledge and getting mad as hell and taking out Dean, Sam, and Cas in an epic bloodbath.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Poor Daphne was the worse thing ever. IT MADE NO SENSE AT ALL. More than that...it was unnecessary. All that could have happened without the introduction of Cas being married. Please. And wiping Ben and Lisa's minds...man.../o\

And your comment has inspired me to continue with a vid I have been planning that explores this very thing. <3

[de-nugis.livejournal.com]

If you do the vid, you should definitely give honorable mention to Matt the doctor, Lisa's extraordinarily short-lived boyfriend, whose inexplicable corpse must have been quite a surprise to her!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Heh... oh yeah... there was that also. /o\

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

I've always wondered what happened to Daphne...he left her high and dry (not that I'm complaining, mind you). I wanted to know if they did the nasty, and how would he explain being an angel and what did that mean for their marriage...I'm a dropped plotline freak.

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

This is SO true, I was so angry about how vulnerable that left her - and confused as hell as her family had met Dean. I have to fanwank that one as Castiel removed Dean from Lisa's time line totally and changed her whole history, of course, if you really believe Ben IS Dean's kid then you're still screwed six ways from Sunday - but it works for me.

I have nightmares thinking about Claire and (the other) Amelia coming face to face with Castiel again, wonder how they coped when he was caught on camera when he was hosting the Leviathan, hope they never saw that.

Daphne - I'd like to mind wipe myself over that fiasco. Really? Find a naked man with no memory by the river? No problem, I'd marry that in an instant too, wouldn't you? *facepalm*

The problem with SPN and roles for women is very, very far from fans just not wanting a "girl" in the back seat.

By the by, I think you're series ending idea is fantastic! Yeah - brilliant - I'd watch it!

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

THIS.

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Now, I don't know whether to be excited by that (because that could feed into all his flashbacks being unreal) or worried because it looks like they haven't considered this. (seriously?)


The possibility of it all being absolutely true is horribly scary isn't it? I think that's why I call it Soap!Sam - because, right now I ain't buying it, and until Amelia shows up pregnant and Bobby steps out of the shower I'm sticking with mind whammy!Sam. Hee!

And one other point - umm - daddy's never heard of Google then? *facepalm* really, Sam's face is ALL over the damned net, and he's using his REAL name! That poor bloke should have had a heart attack right there at the door!

It's not real. It's not real. It's not - is it?

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You mean Sam Winchester the criminal? The one who shot those people in the bank and cafe? The one who...oh yeah. That was a different series so that doesn't count now...

Ack..sarcasm.

(Personally I'm liking the theory in the comment below this. Mixes with yours about Sam being in a mental hospital...)

[auntmo9.livejournal.com]

Beautiful video. The more I think about it, the more I wonder about Sam. Interesting parallel you have drawn. I believe Amelia is real, but I do have to wonder after all Sam has been through if his thoughts, perceptions, memories, etc are real. And while I don't want to spoil anyone, after accidentally seeing the sneak peek of 8 x 09 (I thought is was the promo) I really have to wonder if they might actually deal with some of Sam's PTSD/mental health issues given a previous character who was mentioned in the sneak peek and is scheduled to guest in the episode.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I took a sneak peek also - but only pic so I know who's in it. I am both nervous and excited for the ep because it looks like a good story arc episode.

I definitely have a feeling that Sam's mind is still an issue this season (which...yay!)

xx

[auntmo9.livejournal.com]

I definitely have a feeling that Sam's mind is still an issue this season (which...yay!)

Me, too! At least I hope the writer's deal with it. It would explain so much. I have thought about it in terms of why he didn't look for Dean and why he didn't answer his phones. Maybe he couldn't because he was somehwere in a psychiatric facility getting help and they don't let you have phones in those places. And just because you know people, doesn't mean your memories/perceptions of those memories of them are correct ( hello Dean and Cas). I mean, maybe Amelia needed help too, because of what she went through with her husband? And that is why Sam's memories are altered? He constructed this "dream world" for the two of them. Maybe her dad's visit "to the facility" was real, but not like we saw? ( cue Sam rubbing his devil-be-gone hand) And it could be a theme...I mean Cas said he is suicidal...that is why he didn't want to go back to Heaven because he would kill himself because of all the damage he did... And I am done babbling.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oooh....the Sam in a mental facility I've heard in other speculations but I haven't heard of Amelia being in there with Sam... that's very cool.

I think I would squee rather loudly if this was the case.

Hmmm...Amelia was in a blue gown (like Sam and Dean were when they were in that mental institution in Sam Interrupted) when Sam first met her...

Curious...

[auntmo9.livejournal.com]

It is an idea that has grown over the last week...from dream world to mental patient to mental patient with Amelia...and I would squee very loudly too if any of it were the case.

[runedgirl.livejournal.com]

That was my original thought/hope, but I have a feeling it's not going to be what pans out. But if it is, I will squee so loudly, you'll hear it no matter where you are!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah - it's wishful thinking I think.

But maybe they'll give us something to squee about soon!! (I hope! ;D)

*clings*

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Oooh, these are excellent thoughts, putting Amelia in the same place as Sam and a real person who he has constructed his "dream life" around would really make sense, as would her dad being a visitor. Or even their doctor? Oh babble some more I LIKE this one, fits very well.

[auntmo9.livejournal.com]

Or even their doctor?

Ooh..I hadn't thought about that. That is a good one! I had actually thought about trying to put together my own post on this before the next episode airs...but I have so much going on in RL at the moment...*sighs*

[roque-clasique.livejournal.com]

I loved this vid! SAMMY ;_; He's been through so muchhhhhhh. It breaks my heart.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

He's been through SO SO much! Oh man...the both have *hugs them*

xoxo

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

LOVE this vid!!!! Thanks for sharing it!!

(still haven't watched this past week's episode and am still nail-bitingly nervous whether I should!)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

It's awesome yeah?

Oh - still haven't watch it? Arghhh...ummm...I didn't mind it I have to say. Not great, but ok. The flashbacks were really hard to watch but so much more meatier than the past ones. I think it begins to show what had really happened to Sam.

xox

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee...we are gluttons for punishment that's for sure. :)

The song is so perfect for Sam. :(

[geckoholic]

If Dean was so messed up by the thought of failing to get Cas out surely the first thing he would do when he got back was to go mad looking for a way to get him out.

I might be wrong, but I was under the impression that Dean thought Cas was dead.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Ahhh...yes... that could be so actually. I thought Dean's caginess around the mention of Cas in the beginning was his guilt at leaving him behind, but maybe he assumed he had died when he let him go. Or just died from being left in there.

I can go with that. Actually it would tie in nicely with Sam thinking that Dean was dead (maybe).

xoxo

[geckoholic]

Yeah, I never took it any other way, tbh. When Dean said that he "saw enough" I understood it as "saw enough to be sure he was dead/going to die for sure".

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping there's going to be something deeper going on with Sam and Amelia, otherwise it's just very badly written domestic scenes. Besides, didn't Amelia say she had no one, and then her father pops up? Is that meaningful or bad continuity? My money's on the latter.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah - probably just poor continuity. I'm sure they are trying to make her similar to Sam but...yeah. Different situation.

[juhli.livejournal.com]

Hi ~!
You don't know me, I'm a total lurker...but I love your videos and all your meta analysis, etc. ....it's so awesome to read ♥

And sometimes I miss the support for Sam in this fandom, so your journal entries are always a joy to read ♥

Thanks for that and happy Christmas !

[juhli.livejournal.com]

And I just saw that I repeated myself:

*a joy to dive in to

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi there!

Thank you!

Poor Sam does get the short straw when it comes to support I think. I love him to pieces and even when they are giving him crappy story lines I can make it make sense somehow.

Happy Christmas to you to!
<33

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

This isn't a theory, more of a request as we go forward after Hellatus:

http://cuddyclothes.livejournal.com/222790.html

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I can't say I wish her dead (they kill off too many characters) but I suppose I wish the relationship made some sort of real sense. I don't get the sense that they are in love at all. I suppose we have to assume that they are. But mostly, I just don't care. The love story can put put into another show.