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I hated that beyond words.

I am literally sobbing as I type because this actually feels like the end.

What happened to my beautiful, bromancy, interesting, scary, intriguing show? My show that had "something up its sleeve", my show that only ever had brothers at odds with each other FOR A REAL REASON! My show that had brothers who loved each other. My show that knew it's history. My show that WAS NEVER a soap opera. My show.... *sobs*

My heart is breaking so much and it fucking hurts.

I trust that I missed something. To be honest I don't even have the energy to rant. I am so disappointed and hurt. The season cliffhanger is Amelia walking back into Sam's life... just. No words.

I have never witnessed so much distrust, disloyalty, dis-LOVE between the brothers....EVER. Even when they were fighting at the end of S4 there was at least passion. This was just...nothing. All those things without any reason. They were hardly even on the screen together. I think I even detected real hate between them. And if that's supposed to make me tune in to see how they resolve it?...well...yeah. Not so much.

The show has changed. I suppose it had to. So many of you already saw it. I glimpsed it and clawed myself back. But this is what the show has become and that saddens me so, so much.

I know I shouldn't post. I know you want positive stuff. But in one episode it cemented everything I feared this season would turn into. A boring soap opera.

(I will say that it was beautifully filmed. And if it was a soap opera then I am sure it was beautifully written).

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Date: 2012-12-06 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
Wow - Dean sure fits for the BPD, doesn't he? I'm almost sure Sam could fit int here as well. He displays different symptoms than Dean, but it still fits pretty well, which means neither of them are capable of reacting rationally under intense emotional circumstances.

I absolutely see Benny and Amelia as substitutes, so how could Sam and Dean not see as well. No one likes to believe they can be so easily replaced.

@Sam Why does he care so much I think much of his talk is a prime example of no. 3 on the BPD list. Sam doesn't really know or understand himself. He grew up molding himself into who he needed to be (working cases) or in lashing out against it (John) Even at Stanford one of the first things he says to Dean is, "I never really fit in."

in many ways I think the boys are more in charchter than they've been since s.3.
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Date: 2012-12-07 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quickreaver.livejournal.com
This was REALLY interesting! Thanks for chiming in with your professional opinion. How, on EARTH, would you treat men as broken as the Winchesters?!
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Date: 2012-12-07 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quickreaver.livejournal.com
Hate you? NO WAY! We love this stuff. We looooove digging beneath their skins and exploring what could potentially make them tick and how their tragically dysfunctional life reflects in the strangest, most unexpected ways. And also...how they manage to rise about it. Sometimes.

I'm actually really interested in your professional spin on the Winchester's characters and behaviors. So if you decide to expound, I'm all ears! Or eyes, as the case may be. ;)
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Date: 2012-12-08 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quickreaver.livejournal.com
This would be fascinating! Totally friending you. I hope you do this!

Date: 2012-12-08 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
ditto what [livejournal.com profile] quickreaver said. It's fascinating stuff.

The co-dependency seems to be a major issue this season and I'm not sure that's because they plan to "resolve" that or it's just there to acknowledge that it exist. I think it would be pretty hard to watch a show where they are no longer co-dependent. As much as it's unhealthy it's great to see the brothers absolutely needing each other. Maybe they just have to learn to let the other need someone else also.

Messed up stuff.

xx

Date: 2012-12-07 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] locknkey.livejournal.com
This is kind of nice to hear. I've been contemplating a long fic that explores Sam and Dean from the POV of them being co-dependent and co-addicts - although I'm not a professional - many of Sam's behaviors also seem addictive to me.

Thanks for the info. it's always nice to have some research done by someone else. :)

Date: 2012-12-07 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quickreaver.livejournal.com
I WOULD TOTALLY READ THIS.

Date: 2012-12-07 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Hi,

Hee.. yep Obsessed is the word all right! I wouldn't be feeling so distraught if I wasn't so damn obsessed by it. ;)

And yeah... I get all those reasons. It all makes sense, but...I don;t know, it's just one big soap opera fest of relationship issues and I am just finding it so boring.

I absolutely think Sam is looking for a reason to kill Benny. I used to think it was because Sam was worried about Dean's safety. But it's not. He's just jealous and it's so damn petty.

And I am sure Dean is suffering from something. He sure has been through a lot, but show has never given us any info on him suffering from anything. I think we can definitely attribute his actions to this disorder or PTSD. (the drinking and the hunting...we haven't seen much fucking lately - or even him flirting. Until this episode).

I think I'm just tired of us having to make excuses for our characters. I know the show is grounded by the human element but I would love to see them rise above these issues and just get on with saving people, hunting things and being good brothers again.

Thanks so much for your thoughts. I totally agree - but unfortunately I seem to have lost the ability to care about all their traumas. I sure it will return at some point.

oxo
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Date: 2012-12-08 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
I think they're trying to cater to us fans.

Oh god really? Then they don't know this fan very well. I love the relationship stuff between the boys but man, they are going overboard atm.

And to be honest...I just don't care what they do between Dean and Benny. I do like the idea that maybe Benny turns Dean and Sam gets to save him but I'm not sure what that will achieve other than Sam saying "I told you so" and Dean saying "I'd rather be a vampire with Benny than be a brother to you". Yeah...I'm feeling just that bitter about it all. Sorry. :(

However, angry, possessive, make-up sex between them would totally work for me!! :D *seeks out fic*

xox

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