8.09 reaction.

[ash48]

I hated that beyond words.

I am literally sobbing as I type because this actually feels like the end.

What happened to my beautiful, bromancy, interesting, scary, intriguing show? My show that had "something up its sleeve", my show that only ever had brothers at odds with each other FOR A REAL REASON! My show that had brothers who loved each other. My show that knew it's history. My show that WAS NEVER a soap opera. My show.... *sobs*

My heart is breaking so much and it fucking hurts.

I trust that I missed something. To be honest I don't even have the energy to rant. I am so disappointed and hurt. The season cliffhanger is Amelia walking back into Sam's life... just. No words.

I have never witnessed so much distrust, disloyalty, dis-LOVE between the brothers....EVER. Even when they were fighting at the end of S4 there was at least passion. This was just...nothing. All those things without any reason. They were hardly even on the screen together. I think I even detected real hate between them. And if that's supposed to make me tune in to see how they resolve it?...well...yeah. Not so much.

The show has changed. I suppose it had to. So many of you already saw it. I glimpsed it and clawed myself back. But this is what the show has become and that saddens me so, so much.

I know I shouldn't post. I know you want positive stuff. But in one episode it cemented everything I feared this season would turn into. A boring soap opera.

(I will say that it was beautifully filmed. And if it was a soap opera then I am sure it was beautifully written).

Comments

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

*weeps*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh Ellie! It was everything you dreaded. Everything I hoped wouldn't happen.

I just can't believe it.

Sam really didn't look.
Sam really did just fall for a girl
Sam actually said some really cheesy horrid thing to her about him not ready for it to be over.
Sam coped out. Really.

Sam handcuffed Dean when he was unconscious.

Perception means nothing. It really was all as boring as everything we saw.

Dean hurt Sam in every way Dean should not have done.

Nothing makes sense.

There are not even any interesting parallels. Or, if there are I just don't care.

Both Sam and Dean have become awful people.

How do I come back from this?

It was just so so horrible.

*weeps*

(sorry. I just wrote everything I probably should have written in the post). I WAS hoping I could say to you...SEE! Everything is all right.

Man. I was so wrong.

[percysowner.livejournal.com]

You are not the only one feeling destroyed. They took my show and took a hammer to the heart of it. They wrecked the character of Sam and I don't think they can walk it back. Dean can do no wrong, Sam can do no right.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Dean didn't escape the character annihilation either. He used Amelia to hurt Sam. That was the lowest blow I can think of from Dean. Ever.

They were so horrid to each other it was beyond anything I have ever seen from them before. Neither boys were right as far as I can see. Neither of them had good reasons to act the way they did.

It was so sad to see.

:((((

[maenad.livejournal.com]

I will say that I don't think this was a bad episode, as such. As the sixth or seventh of the season, it would probably have been fine. What it wasn't was a strong mid-season finale.

It didn't offer up anything we didn't already know. It didn't throw in anything game changing. Benny is basically a decent guy, but also a vampire so there's always the risk that he might lose control - knew that. Sam is no longer seeing Amelia; also Amelia's husband is alive - knew both those things. Sam is desperately jealous of Benny and Dean is desperately jealous of Amelia - knew that. Hunters are rubbish at understanding moral complexity - knew that.

It was a solid enough monster plot but ... what am I supposed to be on tenterhooks until January to find out about? Amelia didn't give any indication that she had anything interesting to say, and while I bear her no ill will, I'm not exactly invested in her romance with Sam, either.

To be fair - I, at least, didn't see dislike. I saw some really dangerous jealousy in the way they each tried to use the other's relationship against him. That is passion, but it's also kind of childish - which is weird when they talked about this series depicting them as grown up. And weirder still in that it was in no way resolved, or even discussed.

I was surprised to see in the opening credits that Carver didn't write this one. I would have thought the show runner would want a hand in this one - and if he had to delegate, why to Loflin of all people? Hardly their strongest writer.

[de-nugis.livejournal.com]

Rumor has it that 8.10 was actually supposed to be the cliffhanger, and the network got in the way of the airing order.

I still think this ep was rife with a lot of the major problems the season has had, but it makes a bit more sense if you think of it as the lead-up to the hiatus ep and not the hiatus ep, though I have no idea what the source of that rumor is or if it is reliable.

[harrigan.livejournal.com]

Man, Ash! Me, too! I waited 45 mins after it aired to get online and see if anyone had anything to say about it, and it seems everyone was struck dumb. So I emailed a dear friend I'd met in this fandom who abandoned the show last year, told her she was right, and went to bed with a heavy heart.

(It does help, now, hearing that it wasn't intended to be the emotional note that holds us over for 6 weeks.)

I'm probably not quite as broken up as everyone who wanted there to be some mystery revealed about Sam's 'dream life' in their year apart. I've always been completely okay with Sam just deciding not to look. (I wouldn't have minded if there *was* a secret reason, but I'm still happy with my theory that Sam thought Dean might be in heaven. I'm even okay if it's simply that he had zero resources to tell him how to get Dean out if that wasn't the case, the deeply ingrained knowledge that tragedy always happens when they try, and he was too shattered to do anything else.)

But after season 4, when they embarked on this journey of mistrusting each other and unleashing anger, I've been ready for them to go back to being on the same side. Every year, I say -- this season they'll go back to that season 1-2 vibe of taking care of each other and making each other laugh and risking their lives to save strangers. And instead - I get episodes that I have no interest in watching a second time and wallowing in.

Oddly, I still have hope. I still care about the boys enough to tune in and see how they're doing. And I even hope they'll have a heart-to-heart and Dean will recognize (admit to Sam?) that his harsh attitude about Sam not looking was really his own guilt for not trying to get Cas out once he himself was safely back.

But I still think this was a lousy way to start a hiatus.

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

But we'll always have episode 7X02, right?????

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

*hugs* :-*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks hun.

Sorry I'm such a misery guts. :((

[fourtenpm.livejournal.com]

I haven't got around watching it yet, should I dread it or not?

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Um...depends what you are after. If you like dramas (read soap operas) you might like it. If you don't mind the boys being horrid to each other then you might be for you. Oh, and if you're desperate to know a lot more about Benny then you'll love it. :)

Hee..you can see what I thought. :((

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

Aw, hang in there, little soldier! Yes, it was an explosion of mistrust but think of how gorgeous it will be when they HUG AND MAKE UP! (From my fingers to your eyes, Carver...)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Ha! Thanks hun!

(it's probably telling that I can't even imagine a hug on the horizon. It'll be a nod and a wave and on with the next case...)

Ack! I promise my negativity will be gone soon(-ish).

xox

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

Me too.

This is what I've been struggling with all season because I read all the interviews and spoilers over the hiatus and Carver and others like him have consistently said that there is nothing "hidden" in Sam's behavior. Take it at face value. I kept hoping they were still trying to pull one over on us (ala Kripke saying there would never be angels.)

I am seeing some folks that liked the episode. But I posted something similar to your post myself. I am just struggling so much. :(

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah. It's just...idk...everything. I even tried to really accept that Sam just ran away. I could accept much more it if only they showed us the kind of mess Sam was. Instead we've only had him in this relationship. I have no issue with him having a relationship but essentially that's it. A year is a long time and all we get to see is that... *sniff*

Plus they are just horrible to each other these days. So sad.

*hugs*

[killabeez.livejournal.com]

{{{{hugs you a lot}}}}

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thank you honey. I think of you a lot when I have these reactions for some reason. I wish I could make a clean break but it's bloody hard.

xoxo

[badbastion.livejournal.com]

Ugh, I watched it this morning with breakfast, thinking yay, this'll start my day on a good foot. UUUUGGGGHHHH, it did not. I mean, I guess they did a good job at tearing the audience apart, which is kind of what the show is about, haha, but I just hate it when it's like that. Like Dean dropping the medallion in the trash, like Dean saying he couldn't trust Sam anymore. Those things are necessary to plot, yeah? but still hurt.

So I'm just gonna be holding my breath over the hiatus, waiting to see if the other shoe will drop, or... if... the first one will get put back on its foot, haha. Honestly, hearing that this wasn't supposed to be the season mid-finale or whatever has made me feel better. Quite a bit, even if it turns out not to be true. And spoilers that snuck past my spoilercatcher mitts have also made me feel a little better. Still love the show in general, and still trust the creators, (though they lost a little bit this ep) and I... still want there to be more to sam's year away from Dean. Which I think there is. I just want to KNOOOOOOOOWWWWWW.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey hun. You too huh?

I think if their aim was to tear the audience apart then they did a good job. I know show has a history of fans gnashing their teeth at certain times. And there really have been some horrible moments in the past, but they all seemed to be in much more conflict then they do at the moment.

Maybe because I though the shoe was gong to drop in this ep I was left so disappointed. I am pleased that this wasn't the actual mid-season finale. but that does leave me worried about the actual one. It probably means the next one is going to be even more heart-breaking. But I won't dwell on it.

I will probably spoil myself though. ;)

I seriously want to trust the creators. I always have but this season has been the hardest for me so far...;((

xoxoxo

[cordelia-gray.livejournal.com]

*all the hugs*

I feel so much the same, and I am so sorry. All I can hope is that eventually Sam & Dean will be back on the same page, and we can try to forget that any of this happened.

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

I feel so much the same, and I am so sorry. All I can hope is that eventually Sam & Dean will be back on the same page, and we can try to forget that any of this happened.

I really do believe this will happen. Shows take wrong turns, and this is just a very wrong one. Seeing as how they are planning to go through Season 10, I think they were trying to "shake things up" and managed to break all their shiny toys in the process.

I will start watching again once they figure this out! Hope springs eternal and all.

[dragonfly-sg1.livejournal.com]

*cries with you*

I'm working up to a rant.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*hands tissues* I have a box here.

<333

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

Oh, hon!!!!! I haven't even watched (nor do I intend to) but I feel your pain, every bit of it.

My basic plan is that I'm skipping this arc entirely. I really do believe they will work they way out of it, eventually, maybe after a few more episodes, maybe after a season, but I just don't want to watch it happen in real-time. I haven't watched the last few eps, and if I need to, I'll just freeze my head-canon to 2/3 of the way through Season 7. That being said, I really do think they will turn this around, once they figure out they've lost their way. And I do believe they will figure it out because they are smart writers, original thinkers, creators, etc....I think they just decided that DOING SOMETHING NEW was important.

Deep breath. In and out. We can all do it. And if nothing else, we'll always have 7X02...remember the awesomeness of that episode?

(((hugs)))

(Is Arrow good?)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You're doing the right thing. I wish I had your will power to wait and see. I just keep on thinking they will get this right at some point. Skipping this arc is a great approach and I have to remember that it will be ok at some point.

Hee....*breathes*

Arrow is enjoyable. Hubby likes it so we can watch it together. There's a bit of everything in it - action, mystery, romance, hot lead actor, bromance..all the ingredients my darling show used to have...;)

Thanks deb. I always love your words of wisdom.
<33

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the episode yet and likely won't be able to watch it before tomorrow afternoon *damns the move to Wednesday* but I am sorry to see you so distraught! *hugs* Let's just hope that some of your optimism returns over the hiatus and maybe things will be looking up after the winter break. I am not ready to give up on our boys yet!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I am hoping it will return also. Show is giving me so little to be optimistic about. Even though there are parallels being made all over the place between Amelia/Sam and Benny&Dean I'm too tied to try and interpret them.

With about 5 weeks until next ep I'm sure there will be stuff from to make it all better. :))

xx

[zubeneschamali.livejournal.com]

"Over the course of the next two episodes, Sam's relationship with Amelia -- and how it fell apart -- will be explored much further. We'll finally learn why he left her (and his dog!) in the middle of the night."

If the Zap2It article posted last Thursday was right, then de_nugis's rumor is right, too: we've only seen one of these "next two episodes," and based on what aired last night, there's no way we've seen why he left her in the middle of the night. So I'm withholding judgment for the moment, too, even though it's harder to do that right now than it's been all season. :(

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Apparently (and I'm going from missyjack's tweet) that was the planned mid-season finale. I can accept that it's a two parter though. It felt like a "to be continued".

Unfortunately the quote is no less upsetting for me. I feel like just saying...so? (not to you of course hun, but to Carver ;D) I am curious why Carver would think this is something that a mid-season finale should end on. I feel like he honestly thinks that Sam's relationship to Amelia is that compelling.

But...maybe her walking back in at the end is as "shocking" as Sam acted like it was because of the way he left her - in the middle of the night. There probably is more there (though I dread that it's probably as mundane as everything else we've seen. As in it's a relationship thing, nothing to do with anything supernatural).

Man....I am so sorry for spewing all that. You don't deserve that. I am desperately trying to cling on to something positive and you have given that to me so thanks. <333

[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

I skimmed it and even on fastforward, I felt bad enough that I watched the initial confrontation with Benny and Dean, the Sam and Dean call at the end, weeping Elizabeth, dead Martin and Amelia showing back up. I'm probaby not going to watch the full thing until after hiatus and things have moved on, if I watch it at all. I'll probably read the transcript if anyone is kind enough to do one. I wish the show was still about scary stories. I miss wendigos and scarecrows. RL has been pretty sucky lately and I don't have the emotional fortitude required to deal with these guys hating each other. I also feel like whiplash to go from last week to this. This was the episode that was obviously supposed to come right after Southern Comfort and the fight rages on. I can't tell if any of these guys are characters I can find any way to relate to any more. I wonder how J2 are doing with this season. I can't believe I would actually miss soulless Sam. I'm going to go get on with my life now, I guess......Thank goodness The Hobbit opens next week and I can have a distraction. Sean Bean must be dying in something this week to cheer me up. Oy!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*massive hugs* Oh hun. I am so sad you are feeling this too. Worse if RL is sucky too. The show should be an escape - a place to hide from our RL woes.

This is exactly the episode that should have followed Southern Comfort. If it had I probably wouldn't have had the big issue I have with it. In fact, the episode has strength but it's such a drama I felt like I had tuned into another show.

I can't tell if any of these guys are characters I can find any way to relate to any more.

That's it for me totally. Dean telling Benny not to underestimate his little brother was not said with pride but just fact - more of a warning to Benny. And when benny says "you have family" Dean says "yeah" in a way that was almost distain. There was not love there at all. It was all "yeah - if you consider Sam family".

SO SO painful and horrible. If that had been said in S5 it would totally fit in. In this season it just makes no emotional sense. They are both so bitter. Dean bitter than Sam didn't look for him and Sam is bitter that his brother, in fact, alive. (Jared said that in the pre-season spoliers. I just couldn't believe it, but it seems it's true).

Jared tweeted about how awesome the episode was. I think he likes it when the brothers are fighting. IDK. If I want siblings fighting I can just look to the real world. I don't need to see it in my favourite brothers. :(((

Oh man... you know the thing that really saddened me. The bedhead is one that gets used all the time. it's one of my fav bedheads and all I could think was how lazy it was that they keep re-using props rather than get excited about it. Whaaaaaaa so sad.

(There WAS some beautiful imagery though).

*HUGS* Talk to me if you need to. I can't bear the thought of you being upset too.

<333

[alienat.livejournal.com]

I just watched it and I don't really now how I feel. I mean overall the episode was good in my opinion, but I was so excited about the mid-season finale that I guess the episode could only have delivered if it had Sam and Dean having a deep heart-to-heart ending with them hugging it out. LOL My expectations where obviously too high. So now I feel a little lost.

I still have faith that they'll fix it. I was so disappointed after the season six finale, like so disappointed that I wanted to stop watching. But then 7x02 aired and it brought me back so to speak. I hope this'll happen in January. :)

Both did awful things last night but I still have hope that some writer comes along that'll get what this show is about. I mean I know we have good writers. I guess they went on Thanksgiving vacation early and that's why one of the mediocre writers had to take over. ;) I also agree with maenad about the boys being jealous and jealousy can lead to resentment and anger, and sometimes it ends horrible - I hope the boys will find a way to overcome it before it ends that way.

Well, honey, I'm just gonna go and read some nice Sam/Dean over the next few weeks to make me feel better. ;) *hugs tight*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey,

Yeah - I think a lot had to do with expectations for me also. I suppose I was hoping for more from them rather than their temporary other halves.

I'm usually good with the conflict. It's part of them after all. I'm not sure why this time I'm so heavy hearted about it. I think I'm just tired of them fighting.

I agree! MUCH Sam/Dean needed. ;))

xx

[cherry916.livejournal.com]

My problem with the Season was that the writing was spectacularly corny and ooc. I know I know fans call OOC when their favorites do things they don't like but given I am not the ONLY one to notice the amount of horrible lines this season:

"But you're not strong enough!" Actually from Dean's mouth to Cas. yuck

"I may be going to hell for saying this." Is this supposed to be a joke? I don't think Sam and Dean find it very funny.

Honestly, this isn't character growth/maturity like Carver promised. If this is some big lead in the show will have lost half it's viewers by the time they get around to resolving anything. Because the problem is fans have lost faith in this show and lost trust in the writers to do this show justice. The really strong virol coming from Dean is really stunning.

I posted an ep review in my journal but I basically deduced Sam and Dean are acting like children. "I'm going to hurt you because you hurt me." It's terribly petty and something they both have been through in Season 4 and you can't tell me they haven't LEARNED from these mistakes countless times. To me it feels like Carver is erasing ALL the character growth and starting from scratch. It's frustrating to say the least and I understand now why so many fans were already disheartened from the start. I used to accuse them of being whiny and complainers but honestly it's devastating to say the least and now I finally understand the feeling.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yes. This is exactly how I am feeling also. When I heard the boys would be more mature this season I actually thought we might be over this keeping secrets and not communicating and having petty jealousies. It seems not.

I used to accuse them of being whiny and complainers but honestly it's devastating to say the least and now I finally understand the feeling.

That's me also! I feel so guilty because I just couldn't understand why fans were being so negative. So many ditching the show, but now I get it and it is SO heartbreaking. They saw the writing on the wall long before I did. :(

I think (I HOPE!) show will pull itself together at some point. I just wish I could leave it alone until that day.

xoxo

[locknkey.livejournal.com]

Wow - Dean sure fits for the BPD, doesn't he? I'm almost sure Sam could fit int here as well. He displays different symptoms than Dean, but it still fits pretty well, which means neither of them are capable of reacting rationally under intense emotional circumstances.

I absolutely see Benny and Amelia as substitutes, so how could Sam and Dean not see as well. No one likes to believe they can be so easily replaced.

@Sam Why does he care so much I think much of his talk is a prime example of no. 3 on the BPD list. Sam doesn't really know or understand himself. He grew up molding himself into who he needed to be (working cases) or in lashing out against it (John) Even at Stanford one of the first things he says to Dean is, "I never really fit in."

in many ways I think the boys are more in charchter than they've been since s.3.

[colls]

When Martin showed up, I thought maybe that mental hospital theory was going to pan out.

Dude, this episode hurt.



I think Sam and Dean are both acting like jerks to each other and I'm tired of the internal conflict. I don't like them at odds with each other for so long.
/whines


I also don't like stories where the conflict is built on a misunderstanding that would be entirely eliminated if the characters in question would pull their head out of their ass and simply TALK to each other. That sort of thing happens on sitcoms all the time and it's probably why I haven't watched sitcoms in ages.
I don't know that's what's happening, but it's starting to feel like it. And... just no.


I still have hope though. I have to, because I'm not giving up this show.
a) Sam's perceptions are still all sorts of fucked up, something's there. Even with Amelia in the bar. I still have no idea what's going on there.
b) I don't know what happened to Benny and I don't know why Dean is so insistent that Benny is trustworthy.
c) I'm beginning to suspect the angels.

I'm glad to find out in comments that this wasn't the intended hiatus episode. That does make me feel a bit better. It felt odd for that.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yes! Martin in the promos made me squee!

But yeah...that certainly didn't pan out...;(

I also don't like stories where the conflict is built on a misunderstanding that would be entirely eliminated if the characters in question would pull their head out of their ass and simply TALK to each other.

Oh god yes. These kind of things drive me nuts. I mean, we know that Benny is innocent and uet we have to live through Sam not knowing that - so it makes him look like a dick because he's not trusting Dean. Now, if we the audience thought that Dean was actually in danger and he WAS killing people then we might have been able to understand Sam's actions. I would have loved it if maybe Sam too could have found out that Benny was innocent. In days gone past Sam would have definitely trusted Dean. Sam knows not all monsters are evil.

And yeah...those are thing to give us hope. The angels are the only thing that's keeping me interested (which I cannot believe I said that because I don;t like the angel and demon story line either).

I am so worried that they are just going to patch over this conflict, do another hunt and then go back to deep distrust. I fear this is going to be going on all season.

I just can't..../o\ :((

xoxox

Re: THERE IS HOPE!!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I have no doubt they will find their way back to each other. They have to.

I live the idea that Sam is relieving the break up. I can see that now. I knew there was a parallel in there somewhere, I just didn't have the energy to find it. So thanks hun. <3

[(Anonymous)]

I have to agree with the above poster re: Dean and Borderline Personality Disorder. He definitely fits the diagnosis criteria. No fixing personality disorders (just controlling them in some way, shape and form) and it makes it really hard on the people having to deal with a loved one who has these types of issues. However, at this point, I'm so ticked off with the showrunners with the way they are depicting Sam and his year off that I could strangle Carver. Or pick his scrawny geeky ass up and use him to beat Singer, Michaels and Edlund over the head. I didn't even watch the episode last night because I just knew it was going to turn out like this. What do I want to have happen now besides trying to forget about the show and immerse myself into the fandom of the Walking Dead (now that is how to treat the storyline of a little brother!)? Have Benny attack Sam and turn him into a vamp who only likes demon blood and goes around slaughtering Crowley's minions. I don't even care if they kill him off in the end. I am just so sick of Sam getting his nose shoved in the choices he makes and being hit on the head with the newspaper of Dean's righteousness. Bad Sam, bad! How about bad writers and plots that throw 7 years of canon out the window. Also, we know more about what happened with Cas in the last year with the little bit of screen time he has had than we know about Sam despite all the flashbacks. Hell, we know more about Benny at this point than we do about Sam and that is disheartening for me. Thanks for letting me rant.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You're most welcome to rant. It's all I've felt like doing. Only now I'm just kind of numb. Numb and bitter - and for all the reasons you've stated here. It hurts beyond reason that Sam's back story consists of having a melt down (that we didn't see) falling in love (which we've been told but never really saw. Unless having a picnic is falling in love) and breaking up. No one loves him. It's so very very sad. I'm sure Dean does but he's just not showing it. Sam must feel so lost and we're just not allowed to witness that or care for him in any way. At no point has Dean been allowed to understand what Sam might have been through without him around. And we are left just having to believe he ran away and for a whole year didn't once try and figure out where Dean had gone.

Hee...there. I had a rant too. Felt good. <33

xox

[locknkey.livejournal.com]

well, bb - you've got everyone talking. :)

::giant smishes & pets::

I have to say I found the ep. pretty bland.

@Sam - I still think there's something fishy about Amelia(in ep. one they show him sneaking out in the dark. In this ep. they show him leaving her in broad daylight and telling her up front) While I might believe other canon has been swept aside that's only 8 eps. back. Even if Sam just couldn't put himself together to look for Dean I'd be okay with that, but I don't think that's what they've shown us. I feel the viewer is much more upset over Dean's behavior than Sam is. He even had grudging admiration for Dean in his voice when he said, "well played." One upping the other is certainly their norm. Yeah he's angry, but I don't think he's destroyed over it. (I was a little weirded out that Sam left Martin basically as fodder when he ran away. That seemed OOC to me.)

@Dean. I don't think Dean using Amelia was OOC at all or makes him a bad person. I think Dean has a long history of pushing Sam at what he thinks Sam wants (college, various girls, etc.) while still wanting to have Sam right next to him. The fact that he switched up that cell a while back speaks volumes to me about his intentions. he knows Sam hasn't moved past Amelia. As much as he is jealous, he also wants Sam to have what he wants. That's always been Dean's underlying struggle. I think this case just gave Dean a convenient excuse to do it and it worked well with keeping Sam and Benny apart. (He owes Benny and it kept Sam safe.) After Dean's descriptions of purgatory, we know that Benny must be one tough S.O.B. (Sidenote: this makes Dean as culpable for Martin's death as Sam; he knew Sam would run away. People in the Winchester's lives tend to become fodder for their issues.)

They've both exchanged harsh words. I don't think either of them is right, but if they didn't truly love each other, the others perceived betrayal wouldn't seem so painful. Lashing out isn't pretty. In the past they've done it with fists. I think now it's with words which the viewer can feel more deeply than blows. Many of have never been hit, but we've all been verbally pummeled before.

Truthfully I've liked he season overall and I don't expect every ep. to be a winner. I really see S & D acting like a long term couple. S.1 & 2 they were fresh and new and everything reflected that. What they have now is hard won, tinted by tragedy and familiar. To me they seem in sync and supportive even with the deep-seated jealousy and the misunderstandings, but it doesn't feel like either one of them are going to leave the other or really want the replacement person they've had for the last year.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Thanks hun. <33

@Sam..I'd love to think that there's something fishy going on with Amelia (or the Sam/Amelia backs troy) but I've lost so much faith in that that I think I'm now trying not to think anything. I sincerely hope him leaving in the dark is actually significant and not just a continuity problem. But i he'd left in the dark just because he didn't want to say the final farewell then, yeah...it's just be another major disappointment.

And I KNOW! When Sam left Martin I couldn't believe it. (Just another thing to had to his impressive list of things he's fucked up. Martin's dead and I am sure Sam will blame himself. Well, the sam we used to know would. This one will probably shrug it off.

@Dean, Oh wow - I never considered that. None of Dean's actions spoke to me of him actually pushing Sam toward Amelia. I got the impression that Dean took the phone so he could use it exactly the way he had. To trick Sam. But I can see that that he might have kept it to maybe one day bring the two of them back together (man, I just wish they'd be obvious about this stuff...). And yeah - Dean is just as responsible for Martin's death. So sad....

And yeah - I get all that other stuff. And I like it. I know that show has to do new things (I'm usually the one telling other people that) but these issues just seem so petty to me after everything they have been through. And my issues with the episode aren't just about the state of their relationship. I mean, that's tough but out of everything that's still the most interesting thing going on for me. It's everything else....long scenes that hold no interest for me, a weak back story for Sam, corny dialogue... But I get that that is purely personal.

Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. they will definitely give me something to think about.
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[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hmmm.... I can see your reasoning. :))

[raloria.livejournal.com]

It was tough to watch the boys fall apart like that, but I still enjoyed the eppy. It'll all be fixed eventually though. After all there's no show without them. They just have to get past all this lack of communicating and talk things out. The past has to be revealed and some understanding done.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*nods* Maybe I'll tune in again when that happens. I know it has to happen eventually. Meanwhile I'll just have to accept this level of bitterness between them. So very hard. :(

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