9.22 reaction (And I mean reaction - not a review).

[ash48]

Please don't enter if you don't want to read ranting, swearing, sarcasm, wank inducing comments and general lack of positiveness.

I'm not even kidding guys. It's probably due to the bad mood that I have been carrying all day and the lack of wine I drank during the episode. It's not even that I totally hated it. It's just that realisation (like the one I had in the middle of last season) that it's not going anywhere near where I was hoping it would. I'm mostly just venting (but please heed the warning. I am more than happy to hear your positive comments though - if fact, I probably need some cheering up).



I think I've figured out the one thing I really want from this show...

For it to make fucking sense!

That's it. That's all I really want. I mean sure, I'd love the brothers to be on the same page, I've like to actually recognise the characters again, I'd like there to be less boring angel shit, I'd like to actually care about what's going on but MOST OF ALL...make fucking sense!

I've been patient. I've been veeery patient because I truly believed this was all going somewhere (shut up tebtosca! ;D). I actually thought the issues they raised in the beginning of the season were actually going to MEAN SOMETHING. And I know many of you told me it wasn't going to happen, but I held on. I actually thought there was potential to dig deep into this relationship and GO SOMEWHERE with it.

But no. It's not about that. In fact. It's not about anything. It's not about Dean realising the lines he crossed when allowing an angel to possess Sam. It's not about Sam trying to understand Dean and his motivations and reasons for making the decisions he does. It's not about issues of trust or good intentions or fighting the good fight. Shit, is it even about family any more? Oh that's right. It's apparently about Team Free Will and therefore it's full of warm fuzzies and everything is going to be fine because TFW rides again! (Which would be wonderful if I actually gave a shit about that).

*deep breath*

I would like to try and step back and see what this episode was actually trying to do but because in the end it essentially did nothing I am at a complete and utter loss.

We saw Dean getting darker and a couple of those moments were hot as hell (and I wish that at least saved the ep for me) but now we just have an even dickier Dean than we've had all season. One minute he's a lying liar who lies and then he's a threatening scary mother fucker. I get why he's that way and maybe there is something interesting here. Maybe, just MAYBE his "It's a dictatorship" is tapping into a part of Dean he's always wanted in the relationship. In S5 Dean had to realise that Sam was his own person and as this is a rehash of that, that comment could actually be important to the story line (heaven forbid there might actually be something important here). Ha! And I like the one-upmanship of Dean's "we're not even partners". Go Dean! (listens for fandom hating on Dean...*crickets*..on that's right...). I love how Carver is showing Sam and Dean's maturing relationship. So fucking mature.

I actually don't have an issue with MoC!Dean because he's part of the storyline and now myth arc (and Jensen is embodying this new version of Dean) and that's what happens. He's dark, he's cut off from humanity, he's driven and uncaring and all that stuff - and that actually would be doubly amazing if we didn't have all that stuff that the first half of the season opened up (this is what he did last season didn't he? Second half completely different and unconnected to the first half? Why am I even surprised).

But why does have Dean being all dark and scary mean that Sam has to be an ineffectual, frowny face, "oh, I think that nasty Mark might be changing you Dean" type of character now? Yes, yes I know, I know it's all about drawing out the tension blah blah, but seriously? In S4 Dean knew when Sam was off the reservation and DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Sam is ...what? What the fuck is he doing? Oh, that's right. Nothing. Just taking orders because that's what he always does and he can just wander off with Cas because clearly leaving Dean to do what ever Dean is going do is fine with him.

Fuck that shit.

I'm sure Cas was interesting to those who are interested. I'm not, so I really don't care what was gong on for him. Though I did like the Sam and Cas scenes just because it was Sam and Cas. Even though it amounted to absolutely nothing. Not even a decent chat about what was going on with Dean. Cas knows about the Mark but didn't say anything to Sam. Because that always works. (I am sure in any other episode I would be squeeing about those scenes. There were some nice moments, but I'm so annoyed that I'll have to come back to them later).

I have nothing to say about Metatron because of ALL the big bads that have EVER EXISTED he is the most boring and most annoying. In fact, the only thing I will feel when he dies is relief so we don't have to see him any more. What even is his character? He's supposedly "writing" all this but what does that actually mean? It's doing my head in and in fact I don't care. So that's easy.

And then there's Gadreel. Is he dead? I kind of hope so because that will be one less angel to have to worry about seeing again. Though if he is dead what was the point of him? Other than to give Jared something interesting to work with at the beginning of the season. If he's not - well, why not? What's he going to be able to so in one episode? Side with Sam (who clearly was ready to hug him and welcome him onto the fold because he actually liked being possessed and his body used to kill someone) and help foil Metatron? Maybe Gad and Sam will be soul buds. They share soooo much now. All of Sam's memories for starters.

The one thing I really did like was Dean attacking Gadreel at the end. Now THAT MADE SENSE! I was worried that they were going to greet him with open arms but thankfully Dean remembered what he did to Kevin and Sam and got his revenge (at least the ep ended on a kind of exciting note).

How did Gad get in I wonder? Oh that's right. They left the front door open.

Don't even get me started on Tessa. It has taken me AGES. And I mean 9 YEARS to FINALLY be pissed off with them bringing back characters just to kill them. It made me nostalgic though for that wonderful episode she first appeared in "In My Time of Dying". Oh and... I thought she was a reaper? So are they actually angels? Did I miss something there? And I thought she could only be seen when someone was dying. LOL!CANON!

But, the turning point for me in this episode (because actually, I was mostly enjoying it up until this point) was when Metraton was addressing them all on the computer. That was when I lost my shit (and fell asleep).

Because it made me realise how damn STUPID angels are. What the fuck?! They change loyalties because they suddenly BELIEVE the angel that kicked them out of Heaven in the first place? The one that tells them he'll be their God?! Can they not think for themselves ?! (reminds be of humans actually). If angels this season weren't boring enough already (oh Zach how I miss youuuuu!!) they then make them STUPID on top of it. I hope they all go back to heaven and the gates or moving portals are closed FOREVER!

And then he asks Cas to kill Dean - because we know that's going to happen. My goodness! I was biting my nails with tension! Would Dean die?! Oh noes! Oh *phew* Cas chose Dean. I had no idea that would happen.

Oh and yes. Sam got to be all worried again (and now I am finally understanding why Dean!gals were getting pissed off with sidelined Dean when Sam had the story. I UNDERSTAND NOW!). Why the hell both characters can't actually have, you know, characters when something is happening to the other I don't know.


I'm sorry. Most of that was just getting it off my chest. I felt like this in the middle of last season and now I'm feeling it in the penultimate episode of the season. What I hate more than anything is I know...I KNOW...I am going to massively disappointed with the finale. I can't think of a single thing that will salvage this season for me. Maybe Sam will be allowed to grow some balls (but if he does fandom will hate him all over again. Becauyse yes, I've already seen someone say that at least Dean is being nicer to Sam than Sam was to him when Sam was pissed off. I JUST CAN'T WITH THAT SHIT). I'm BEYOND thinking we'll even get a SMIDGEON of his pov. Possession? What fucking possession?! Oh that's right. He's fine with that because he's so used to his body being used and abused by something else. He's fine with Dean making choices for him. ARGHHHHHHHHH

Actually. I know what will salvage this for me. If Dean kills Sam and then kills himself and they put themselves and everyone else out of their misery. (Well, mine anyway). And then Cas can rule the world and have his own SPN spin off.

(As much as I would love to say "I QUIT YOU", I know that I can't. I suppose there's this 1% of hope left that next week will actually give us some powerful Sam and Dean. Something that ties in at least a little bit of the potential of the opening episode. I will try and remain positive going into that episode).

Comments

[manzanita-crow.livejournal.com]

So glad you did the rant for me. I've been furious for so long I got hit by utter apathy this time

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I want to feel apathy. I really do. I don't WANT to care. I'm actually hoping that that will happen and I won't even care about not caring any more. I suspect feeling pissed off mean I still care a lot. :(

[lyryk.livejournal.com]

I am now totally used to tuning out completely and doing stuff on my second monitor as soon as the angels come on. Really, really hope they don't throw the next season away on angels and demons again. There's pretty much zero hope that S9 can be salvaged, even if the finale is spectacular; there are like three episodes in the entire season that I'd maybe want to rewatch.

At least Sam and Dean and Tessa all looked really really pretty?

*squishes*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I'd have to look back and see what episodes I liked. I know there are a few (mostly the good old fashioned MoTW ones) and ones that looked like they might have actually been going somewhere. But this one pretty much cemented the fact that they really aren't going anywhere interesting. Oh sure, Dean will feel compelled to kill Sam (or Sam will have to kill Dean), but we know that won't lead any where so...yeah...)

At least Sam and Dean and Tessa all looked really really pretty?

They didi! Tessa looked great!! Sam was HOT HOT laying in bed with the gun under his pillow and Dean was HOT HOT being all mean and threatening.

Dammit! I need to watch for the HOT not the PLOT! I must remember that! :DDDD

<3

(Thanks, that made me smile. I did in fact like some of it. My rage has darkened the good bits...;D)

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

Didn't watch the episode, don't have any plans to ever watch the episode, and have finally quit this show! Ash, my sweet darling girl, it's so liberating over here on the FUCK THIS GODDAMN SHITTY SHOW side! Come dance with me!


*dances around the burning corpse of Jeremy Carver's AU version of Supernatural*


/now off to write a crackfic coda to the show as a whole, because that's how I do

[ash48.livejournal.com]

HAHA! I bet it is liberating! Why am I hanging on for dear life?! I can still do fandom can't I? Just 'cause show is horrid at the moment doesn't mean I can't still hang around (I'm not sure why I put the two together. I figure if I don't watch the show I can't do fandom stuff...)

*dances around the burning corpse of Jeremy Carver's AU version of Supernatural*

Yes!!

/now off to write a crackfic coda to the show as a whole, because that's how I do

YAY! I need to make a crack!vid coda or something. Or maybe I'll just drool over the pretty on tumblr and forget that there's even an attempt to have plot on this stupid show.

(Of course, I'll be back next week to watch the finale. I am sure I will be singing the shows praises because in one episode it will all come together and make sense and be amazing. I just know it will. It will).

xx

[fourtenpm.livejournal.com]

Honey, but the show has never made sense……

Someone who hasn't watched since s9e19 or so.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

haha! I'm glad you said from 9.19.... It WAS making some sense. Well, at least that I could see, But that? Threw all that sense out of the window.

It terrifies for what they are going to do next week...

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

I can't disagree with a single syllable of this. But at least your sarcasm made me snicker this morning!

Since Carver took over, I haven't felt my heartstrings tug, even once, while watching the show. (Okay, maybe just a little, when Sam thinks of what Gadreel did to Kevin, but that's all Jared, not the writing.)

Now, fandom has written some stuff that has given me awesome feels! But Show itself? Nope. Nada. Nyet. I watch it very differently than I used to. Boo.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hee...I needed the sarcasm to reign in language...:D

I have felt a few heart tugs, but looks like they were all for nought. It's weird - I've felt for not having Sam POV but I've also really felt for Dean's characterisation this season. Carver's been pretty horrid to both characters over the two years. It's just so sad.

Fandom is awesome! They make it all bearable. I will forever love the characters and I think they will forever inspire me - no matter how horrible Carver makes them.

(I feel like Sam in your gorgeous picture. Sitting there, contemplating our once gorgeous show...*sniff*)

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

You know what? I agree. With all you said. And I had this utter low about Show last week. It broke my heart. So I took all the characters I love inside me to hide them in my heart and keep them safe there. I severed my deeply rooted attachments to Show and watch it more with an attitude of mere entertainment now. Today's ep worked for me that way. What other choice is there other than not watching amymore at all? Yep, I know. Not an option.
Everything, including characters, in Carver's universe is a short lived plot device, even the plots it seems. lol. He's destroyed Show from the inside out. I watch what is left. And kinda hope that Carver might drop out and somebody with deep love for Show grabs the reins and brings us back on course.

I was just going to write a "hug" again, like I did on my post but maybe holding up a punching bag for you is the better idea? Who's face shall I draw on it?..

Ahh.. I want to hug you anyway! ((squiiiidddgeee))

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You're so wonderful. <33

I was so happy that you were happy with this episode. Truly. I love to see people happy with episodes because I KNOW how nice it is to love it and be happy by the end. I have this weird relationship now where if I'm NOT feeling something at the end of the episode I'm annoyed. Which is not really fair. And as I said at the top, it's not so much this episode, but the overall season and where it's just not gone.

But I can still love the characters. I always will. No matter how much Carver destroys them.

And kinda hope that Carver might drop out and somebody with deep love for Show grabs the reins and brings us back on course.

That would be great. To see the heart of the show return would be amazing. And maybe it will - even with Carver on board.

I am SO glad it's the end next week. I just can't do this any more. I will need the hiatus just to recover. I keep telling myself that I will be more detached - but it's NOT WORKING!

Hee.

Thanks as always BB! *huuuuugggsss*

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

I was much more restrained but basically you sum up exactly what I went through - except my anger is coming later, the more I think about it the more fucking pissed off I am with this whole shebang (rather than just this episode). When the episode finished I was more whuh? than WTF. Now it's the other way round.

More and more I'm joining the 'I fucking hate Carver' camp for what he's done to my show. Where are my boys? Neither of them exist any more, and I'm growing to hate Cas simply because he's the focus of this angel crap, not through any real fault of the character.

Hearing Misha has been confirmed as a series regular for Season 10 really made my heart sink. Where is the hazard? Where is the uncertainty? Where's the tension we used to have? Not there, that's for sure.

I want to like it so bad, and I fucking can't.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I was going to wait a day to type this up so I could be more restrained but then I thought, dammit. I'm so frustrated I HAVE to write something down.

Where are my boys? Neither of them exist any more, and I'm growing to hate Cas simply because he's the focus of this angel crap, not through any real fault of the character.

Ditto. I actually don't mind Cas as such, but because he's surrounded by all the stupid angels I just can't with him anymore. I know he's back next season but PLEASE GOD (carver!) send all the angels back and some how just leave him (but only for little moments).

Where is the hazard? Where is the uncertainty? Where's the tension we used to have? Not there, that's for sure.

That I don't understand either. They could have at least said nothing and then at least the finale might have held some threat. As it is we KNOW no one can really die. Well, there's Metatron and Gadreel left and if either of them die (as is expected) it all adds up to a big fat nothing.

Carver also said there was a "twist". I can't for a minute imagine what that could possibly be. Oh. Maybe the twist is it will actually make sense!!

[zubeneschamali.livejournal.com]

I, too, am thoroughly pissed off at what they did to Tessa and at the *crickets* response to Dean brushing Sam off in a much worse fashion than anything Sam has been accused of doing. And yes, the angels are stupid and Metatron is the most boring villain ever, no doubt about that.

The one thing I'm clinging to is that, in wondering why Sam is even bothering to stay around other than wanting to take down Metatron and free the lost souls, I remembered Sam at the end of S6: "I'm not leaving my brother alone out there." Sam's been researching Cain and Abel; he's got to know that he's in as much danger as anyone Dean wants to stick that blade into. But he's still in this. And that's worth something to me.

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

*butts in politely*

the *crickets* response to Dean brushing Sam off in a much worse fashion than anything Sam has been accused of doing.

*cough* I did call Dean out on that. AND on his infuriating "lets be buds" response to Castiel immediately afterwards. We can blame the Blade for his behavior, but still. NOT COOL.

[spnmonster.livejournal.com]

What I wouldn't give to have Zachariah back or Raphael or Uriel even. You're absolutely right that angels have become so stupid and boring.

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

Uriel really was the funniest angel in the garrison, after all!

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

I didn't hate the ep as much as you (though I will hate them forever for killing off Tessa), but I agree with your post.

Oh that's right. It's apparently about Team Free Will and therefore it's full of warm fuzzies and everything is going to be fine because TFW rides again! (Which would be wonderful if I actually gave a shit about that).

TFW became impossible way back in S6. Why they're even still trying is beyond me. And don't get me started on the difference between Dean's icy "we're not partners" speech to Sam -- immediately followed by his oh-so warm n'fuzzy "We (three) have always been (enough)." to Castiel. Really? WTF was that??

Cas knows about the Mark but didn't say anything to Sam. Because that always works.

Crap. I totally forgot about that. And here I am trying to convince myself that the angel won't be repeating his previous mistakes. So much for that. :(

Show has become all about the angels. But then again, look at the S9 opening. No matter what you (and I, and most of fandom) was hoping would happen on the brotherly front . . . could they possibly make the direction of this season ANY more obvious? SPN hasn't been about Sam and Dean for a long time now.

. . . Carver's "view" has just about destroyed the show we love.

I know what will salvage this for me. If Dean kills Sam and then kills himself and they put themselves and everyone else out of their misery. (Well, mine anyway). And then Cas can rule the world and have his own SPN spin off.

This should be amusing, but . . . yeah. I get you. I so very much get you. :(

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey darlin'!

It's funny, I didn't actually hate the episode as such. If this aired, say as episode 19, I would have been pretty happy with it (other than the lol!canon a reaper is an angel and now a dead reaper!angel). I've tolerated a lot of episodes this season because I kept thinking it was leading to something interesting. As this one was the mighty one before the finale I thought it might have at least been revealing. Or move the characters along a bit. I think Dean moved on a bit - but only more to the dark side. Nothing more really happened I don't think.

"We (three) have always been (enough)." to Castiel. Really? WTF was that??

I KNOW! That was crazy. One minute - I'm the boss and you can all shut up and then TEAM FREE WILL!! I almost had whiplash from that turn around. There's nothing "free" in this "team". And when the hell will Cas actually call Dean on his shit? He's always so..."Dean is right because he's my hero" and not actually saying anything that means stuff.

And here I am trying to convince myself that the angel won't be repeating his previous mistakes. So much for that. :(

Nah, that's more like the writer forgetting that Cas knows stuff about the Mark (or at least seems to). Man, if Cas is made to make the same mistakes again I will most definitely cry! Form boredom more than anything.

SPN hasn't been about Sam and Dean for a long time now.

Yeah. They are obviously trying to free the Js up from the long hours. I understand that, but it's just so sad that the whole season has been consumed by angels. Why couldn't they have at least made them interesting I wonder.

*huuugs* I am SO worried for next week. It's going to be just horrible I know. :((

[antrazi.livejournal.com]

While I didn't hate the episode as much as you I'm not happy with it either. I would be so happy if the writers would just stop f*king around with canon.
What I hope to see in Season 10: no angels. If Cas has to be there (Misha is confirmed but we don't know what Cas will be and let's be honest, Cas is of no interest to me in any way other than as an adjunct to the Winchesters) then make him the only angel. Angel politics was boring enough in Season 6, they didn't have to make it worse this season.
Dean going completely darkside, Sam rescuing him bacause he is his brother and he loves him.
It's so simple to make me happy!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I would be so happy if the writers would just stop f*king around with canon.

Amen!

Dean going completely darkside, Sam rescuing him bacause he is his brother and he loves him.
It's so simple to make me happy!

THIS! See this. It's not hard is it? Piss off all the angel crap and show us Sam doing everything in his power to save Dean. Unfortunately, they seem to think we CARE about whether the angels return to heaven or that Metatron dies (which I do want because I can't bear him). Nope! Just what our boys are doing. It's not hard.

[reggie11.livejournal.com]

Breathe honey.

I haven't seen this episode or the three or four preceding it. I'm not even doing anything to try and get hold of them. The show has lost the plot...literally. I've seen enough on tumblr to get an idea of what went down and frankly, I'll always love this show but I don't really have much love for this season or interest in watching the next one. I think perhaps that Supernatural jumped the shark when Carver took over. For a number of seasons it was Supernatural with angels, now it's Angels with supernatural - they seem to be far more the focus of the show than the Winchesters now.

I'm not even sure I'm going to bother with watching anything other than previous seasons on DVD anymore. And of course reading all the delicious fanfic written by people who could have made the show 100 times better than the wind-up monkeys that are paid to write for the show.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh I haven't had the courage to visit tumblr. I haven't been there in ages. I don't think I even want to see gifs from this episode.

For a number of seasons it was Supernatural with angels, now it's Angels with supernatural

Yes. Sadly.

fanfic and fan art is our saviour! So many more awesome possibilities that we are seeing now.

xx

[winsangel.livejournal.com]

I won't repeat all my bitching here (that I've already said on twitter) - I'll just say ditto to your rant.

Our show has gone the way of the dodo bird in regards to the boys and their journey. It's a cluster fuck mess now.

I'm pretty much numb :(

[ash48.livejournal.com]

It's a cluster fuck mess now.

That pretty much sums it up perfectly. And now I'm pretty such Sam will have to kill Dean to save him and I have no idea how I'm going to cope with that (or randoms reaction to it).

[growyourwings.livejournal.com]

How did Gad get in I wonder? Oh that's right. They left the front door open. I totally LOL'd at this line. Perfection. Sarcasm becomes you.

Honestly I don't even know how I feel, that's how confused/muddled this has become for me. As a indication of how muddled this is for me, last night I started seeing gifs from new scenes show up on Tumblr. First I just stared & thought that it was weird that I could no longer remember what ep scenes were from because what I was seeing didn't look familiar to me. Then I assumed there had been a release of a new promo so went looking for it. I couldn't figure out how EVERYONE else seemed to have seen this new promo but I couldn't find it. Plus somehow a PROMO was pissing people off. It literally took me 30 minutes to realize it was Tuesday and the 2nd to last episode had just aired. And then I realized that I wasn't all that upset that I didn't remember that & I had to think about whether I wanted to go watch it then or later.

Frankly I think I'm only watching now because of all the cast & crew & fans. At one point last night during a scene I cannot recall I remember wondering if Sam & Dean had any feelings at all for each other any more. Which did cause a moment of sadness for me. But I cut that off because I just didn't want to go there, again.

And I just kinda *sighed* at TFW stuff at end. Whatever.

So while I agree with all you say, I have trouble working myself up over it. Which, now that I think about it, kinda makes me mad. SPN had something special. (A quiet part of me is whispering that maybe Carver will still make it better and surprise me in the last ep. ha!)

I do admit that dark!Dean does something to my insides. Just like dark!Sam did.

I think they did already in some previous episode make reapers into a type of angel. The ep where Sam rescued Bobby from hell via hell's back door.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Perfection. Sarcasm becomes you.

haha! I was compelled!

So wow, you forgot it was show day?! I am actually looking forward to that happening to me because I might mean I'm not so invested. I make the mistake of getting excited and then I get SO disappointed when it lets me down.

(oh and peeps were pissed off on tumblr? I haven't dared go over there because I just don't think I'm quite ready to face it.

I remember wondering if Sam & Dean had any feelings at all for each other any more.

Doesn't seem like it any more does it? So sad.

I have a horrible feeling I will be the kind of fan that will go out kicking and screaming and not go quietly. I am still holding on to hope.

Dark!Dean is pretty hot, that's for sure. :))))

The ep where Sam rescued Bobby from hell via hell's back door.

Yes. The horrid Taxi Driver episode. Boo!

[chomaisky.livejournal.com]

These days the only thing in the episodes that could move me was Sam's hair. I think he's getting prettier as S9 goes. I thought he was pretty enough in the last episode, but guess what, he's even prettier this week! Is that supposed to compensate for his weak presence in the story?
I also feel this season has the most annoyingly sloppy lines. My god. I don't think Cas's pop culture savviness is important to be voiced. Did that develop the character of Cas? No. Cas is cute and curious about humanity. We already know that. I don't think a lot of lines are worth my attention.
Even the most Sam-centered part of the show (S4 I guess) didn't put Dean aside like what S9 is doing to Sam now. Dean actually had a great arch in S4, and he had the most beautiful and painful breakdown, after he realized he was the one that broke the first seal. And he was very important in moving Sam's storyline in that his attitude influenced a lot which way Sam was gonna choose. Sam said Dean was right about everything twice in S4, when he temporarily severed his connection with Ruby and when after the voice mail, he sorta gave up went ahead to kill Lilith. So if Deangirls think they are pained/annoyed/agitated by Dean's lack of story in S4, they can never taste the pain Samgirls feel now. Like, we only have Sam's hair.

[tebtosca.livejournal.com]

Like, we only have Sam's hair.

I'm sorry for laughing, but this is the saddest thing I've ever read and it's adorable.

[fufaraw]

::pats you. holds your hand.::

All I could do was nod, wide-eyed, at everything you said. Including the "quit you" line. Would that I could, because it really really feels like the show has quit me. Us.

Back to read comments. Maybe edits after. ETA: Nope. Nothing much to add, except that I've been so apathetic about show for such a while I hadn't even noticed how I'd slipped into feeling that way. I show up, I watch, but it's been a long time since I gasped, or teared up, or even got angry at anything that's happened onscreen. I'm watching for completism's sake, and only because it would pain me more to cut those last ties.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

because it really really feels like the show has quit me. Us.

This exactly. :((

I'm watching for completism's sake, and only because it would pain me more to cut those last ties.

That will be me. In till the bitter end, even if it's doing nothing of me. I'm just still hoping it will actually still DO something for me.
xx

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

Hmmm...so I am seeing so many unhappy posts, each having their own variation of what pissed them off...so we should give Carver credit for uniting fandom in hatred of where the show has gone, even though fandom can't quite agree on where it should go...

I have to say, I was interested in where things were going in the ep, just not invested in it, if you get the difference? I can watch it and say 'interesting dramatic twist' as long as I'm not expecting to relate to it as the Supernatural I fell in love with...

[ash48.livejournal.com]

so we should give Carver credit for uniting fandom in hatred of where the show has gone, even though fandom can't quite agree on where it should go...

Ha, well, there is that. And I suspect that no matter where it goes not everyone would be happy. Though I suspect if he put back that one missing ingredient - a brother relationship we enjoy watching - then more people might be on board. I don't know. Having them at odds is one thing but the now, seeming, total disregard for each is just painful to watch.

I was interested in where things were going in the ep, just not invested in it, if you get the difference?

Yes I do. I'm still both and to be honest I'd like to get rid of the "invested" part. Perhaps them I wouldn't feel so much annoyance with it all. I keep trying!

[runedgirl.livejournal.com]

I actually wasn't all that negative about this episode until I got online and realized that so many of the people I adore in this fandom were gutted. Not that I don't agree with just about everything you said here, but I also had lower expectations for what they would do with the potential the first half of the season had, and I do appreciate decent dialogue and a coherent episode that flows instead of skipping around between storylines. And I liked some of the MoC moments alot. I can even be hurting so much for Sam and yet appreciate that this is Dean going dark and I expected it not to be pretty - and to have him lash out at the one person he really does love and care about and was hurt by.

That said, I'm no Carver fan. I really wish he hadn't squandered some of the deeper potential for storylines set out early in the season, or the amazing promise of last season's finale. I don't mind some strife between the brothers, but I want more of the love I still stubbornly refuse to believe is not there. I don't think J2 are completely uncaring either, but I don't think they write the show.

Mostly, I'm gutted now because so many of my friends are, you included. I can't give up on this Show and I'm sort of terrified that I'll be the last one standing here, sobbing with no shoulder to lean on.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey hun!

You know, it wasn't really just this episode. Mostly, I think it worked ok (except for making Tessa an angel, which completely breaks canon). I mentioned to someone above it's about the fact that it's the episode before the finale and I had expect so so much more from it. I really wanted to see how this was going to start getting interesting - maybe even start to address the can of worms that was opened in the beginning of the season. Instead it served to remind me that we have angel wings in the title card for a reason. This is a season of angels and I suppose I just have no investment in that story. I don't mind it as a back story, but to spend so much time on them and almost nothing on the characters I watch it for made me want to cry just a bit.

It also looks like we are heading to a major confrontation between the brothers (which I have been expecting) but the reasons seem so messed up. Maybe it really will take that one last episode for the pieces to fall into place.

And I liked some of the MoC moments a lot.

I did too. It makes me just want to see more and more of that and less and less of the other stuff. Watching Dean descend into a murderous rage is at least interesting - if not rather shocking. His treatment of the angel (knocking her over) was a scary and confronting stuff - but exactly right for what we need to see in Dean. I suppose I'm just frustrated that Sam is not being allowed to actually do anything. I appreciate that he's probably not really feeling confident about what to do and it's just a slow build. But after everything he's been through - to still not get any POV is just so frustrating. Maybe even to see how he understands Dean because he's been through something like that himself. But no - he's made to follow orders even when he knows how lethal Dean is. To have an entire season of pretty much nothing from him is a bit heartbreaking.

Ack. Sorry. Seems, even after a couple of days I'm carrying some bitterness.

I don't think J2 are completely uncaring either, but I don't think they write the show.

I'm sure they do care. AND they have the benefit of seeing where all this goes. They have to trust the writers - as I suppose we need to do also.

I can't give up on this Show and I'm sort of terrified that I'll be the last one standing here, sobbing with no shoulder to lean on.

If it's any consolation all I've done over the last 2 days is think about this show. It's driving me nuts - but it also means I'm no where near over it. I WANT to quit it. I really do, but I'm too invested and I enjoy fandom far too much. I think even if I do ever give up on the show I will also want to be around fandom. No matter how badly they treat these characters, I will always remember the way they originally were.

(and next week, it will only be if Sam plays absolutely no part in either saving Dean or at least being involved with Dean that I will have to rage quit. But even then, I trust that Carver knows they HAVE to be involved with each other in some way in the finale).


xx

[sam-dean-lover.livejournal.com]

no comment. :( i got nothin' except no comment and i love this post

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

[meckman37.livejournal.com]

You've nailed it Ash. I've gotten to the point, as it sounds like so many others have, where I watch but don't really care. And as a Sam girl, I just... yeah the hair is pretty. And Jared is a good actor--when he's actually given something to do! RIP, the Supernatural I used to love.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

The thing for me is I watch and I still care very much. Even though I wish I didn't! ;) I want to simply watch for the hot, but the fact is I care very much about what they do (and are doing) to our beloved characters. It makes me want to...well...rant like I just did!

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

I think I have an advantage here. When Show was extended past Season 5 and the original team--Kripke, etc. (sorry, I don't have all that showrunner history down pat) had to fuck up the glorious planned ending, I lost faith.

I "quit" SPN after S6--which is to say, I've kept on watching like an addict, but I left the fandom, stopped reading posts like yours, and only dipped occasionally into highly-recommended fic. So the fact that from S7 onward this show completely stopped making sense to me didn't really bother me. The lack of permanent death for Sam and Dean (preferably together, preferably in some meteoric Butch and Sundance style) broke my heart so much that everything since than has been "ooh look at the pretties," basically.

Then I started watching Teen Wolf. Dear lord. There are elements of that fandom who actually seem to believe that total incoherence is a new form of storytelling--it's not a plot, it's just some ingredients that they give to the audience to make their own stories.

And maybe that's it. Maybe that is specifically and precisely TW showrunner Jeff Davis's conscious intention. If so, it's an artform that's beyond the capacity of my aging brain to encompass. And Dylan O'Brien alone is not strong enough to make me pay attention to the chaotic, meaningless mess that Teen Wolf has been since its second short season.

My point, if I have one (not guaranteed) is that I usually do quit watching shows that lose narrative coherence, but for reasons that can only be explained by a deep, sentimental, and terribly nostalgic fannish love, I've stuck with SPN. Even though every single thing you say in your post is absolutely spot on.

I numbed my heart in S6 and none of it hurts very much anymore. That said, I hope you won't quit blogging about the show because your posts have become a real treat for me.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

You actually hit the nail on the head for me. I too watch Teen Wolf. I really enjoy it despite it making absolutely no sense. It's the craziest amount of crazy. I once posted about it and said that if I fanned it like I did SPN I would go crazy myself - because I would be trying to make sense of it. Instead, I just watch for the pretty (mostly Dylan) and go along for the ride. I groan, I shake my head, I think WTF and then turn it off and do something else. I LIKE watching my TV like that.

SPN is an entirely different experience for me. Even now, 9 years later, I'm still highly invested (perhaps even more so than ever) even though I can see how non sensical it is. I can't watch it like I watch Teen Wolf (or Hannibal, Orphan Black, Arrow etc) - though I really wish I could. If the season finale is as disappointing as I am imagining it will be I will be trying to make a much greater effort to detach (hee...she says...*g*).

I really like the notion of incoherent storytelling being an art form. I've never really seen that at work before, but after watching Teen Wolf, I have an appreciation for how that might actually work.

That said, I hope you won't quit blogging about the show because your posts have become a real treat for me.

That will only happen if I can't find positive things to say. I really don't want to be that fan who only posts about how bad a show is. I enjoying writing the reactions and engaging with my awesome flist, but it won't be much fun if I really start hating on the show. I'm hoping that won't happen either.
<3

[bittersweettwit.livejournal.com]

I quit watching the tasteless parody I personally refer to as Carver-natural six months back (The true show supernatural ended for me at the end of season 7) so I don't have anything to say about the episode itself.

I just wanted to say I'm sorry to hear that you're disliking it so much *hug*. It seems from the occasional lurking I still do of LJ friends and other on-line places like Twitter that everyone who has had the patience I lacked to stick it out regardless of what they are watching the show for seems to dislike it which is pretty sad *sigh*.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi.

It's been very sad to watch so many on-line fans either quit it or still watch with growing detachment and dislike. I've been going up and down, but certainly these last two season have been the hardest. I enjoyed much of S6 and S7 and looking back those seasons look a brother love fest compared to these last two seasons.

[cloex-brosluvr.livejournal.com]

*thumbs up*

[ash48.livejournal.com]

:DD I was Mrs McRanty Pants that's for sure.

[casey28.livejournal.com]

And then there's Gadreel. Is he dead? I kind of hope so because that will be one less angel to have to worry about seeing again. Though if he is dead what was the point of him? Other than to give Jared something interesting to work with at the beginning of the season. If he's not - well, why not? What's he going to be able to so in one episode? Side with Sam (who clearly was ready to hug him and welcome him onto the fold because he actually liked being possessed and his body used to kill someone) and help foil Metatron? Maybe Gad and Sam will be soul buds. They share soooo much now. All of Sam's memories for starters.

The one thing I really did like was Dean attacking Gadreel at the end. Now THAT MADE SENSE! I was worried that they were going to greet him with open arms but thankfully Dean remembered what he did to Kevin and Sam and got his revenge (at least the ep ended on a kind of exciting note).

Since you hope Gadreel is dead, and if he is alive, you only have sarcastic, negative things to say about Sam and Gadreel, and you like that Dean attacked Gadreel at the end... then I won't be talking with you about Gadreel anymore. We had some good discussions about him in the past, but I can't deal with the way you feel about him now.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Sorry hun. You may have noticed I am pissed off with EVERYTHING at the moment and Gadreel just came under fire. I am pissed off that they haven't done anything nearly as interesting as they could have done with his character. he was the one angel that had potential and then bam. Nothing. So yeah, Dean trying to kill Gad made sense to me because he was still pissed about what he had done and he's all dark and murderous. He didn't die I don't think so maybe they do have plans to still do something interesting with him. I dunno. I'm just so pissed off by the whole she-bang. What a waste of some fantastic story lines (and I'm generally bored with the whole angel thing and if they aren't going to do anything interesting with him - or any of the others - then I'm happy to see the back of ALL of them).

Hee..and it looks like none of our lengthy discussions mattered (other than enjoying them) as nothing we talked about even features. I don't even know what to do with that.

[glovered.livejournal.com]

LOL!CANON is right :( I would also like things to make sense and have some sort of continuity. It's all very disheartening. And I used to love angels s4&5 when they were scary and powerful, but this is all just really terrible.

Anyway, I'm very upset.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

These angels make the S4 and S5 angel positively amazing! Zach and Uriel were such strong characters. It was so rewarding watching Zach die (because he was such a deliciously smarmy angel). I fear that watching Metatron die will me more...thank god he's gone! I'm not sure how they're going to top all the killing that's gone on lately anyway.

(Oh and, I'm really enjoying your recent podfic atm!)