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ash48Please don't enter if you don't want to read ranting, swearing, sarcasm, wank inducing comments and general lack of positiveness.
I'm not even kidding guys. It's probably due to the bad mood that I have been carrying all day and the lack of wine I drank during the episode. It's not even that I totally hated it. It's just that realisation (like the one I had in the middle of last season) that it's not going anywhere near where I was hoping it would. I'm mostly just venting (but please heed the warning. I am more than happy to hear your positive comments though - if fact, I probably need some cheering up).
I think I've figured out the one thing I really want from this show...
For it to make fucking sense!
That's it. That's all I really want. I mean sure, I'd love the brothers to be on the same page, I've like to actually recognise the characters again, I'd like there to be less boring angel shit, I'd like to actually care about what's going on but MOST OF ALL...make fucking sense!
I've been patient. I've been veeery patient because I truly believed this was all going somewhere (shut up![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
tebtosca! ;D). I actually thought the issues they raised in the beginning of the season were actually going to MEAN SOMETHING. And I know many of you told me it wasn't going to happen, but I held on. I actually thought there was potential to dig deep into this relationship and GO SOMEWHERE with it.
But no. It's not about that. In fact. It's not about anything. It's not about Dean realising the lines he crossed when allowing an angel to possess Sam. It's not about Sam trying to understand Dean and his motivations and reasons for making the decisions he does. It's not about issues of trust or good intentions or fighting the good fight. Shit, is it even about family any more? Oh that's right. It's apparently about Team Free Will and therefore it's full of warm fuzzies and everything is going to be fine because TFW rides again! (Which would be wonderful if I actually gave a shit about that).
*deep breath*
I would like to try and step back and see what this episode was actually trying to do but because in the end it essentially did nothing I am at a complete and utter loss.
We saw Dean getting darker and a couple of those moments were hot as hell (and I wish that at least saved the ep for me) but now we just have an even dickier Dean than we've had all season. One minute he's a lying liar who lies and then he's a threatening scary mother fucker. I get why he's that way and maybe there is something interesting here. Maybe, just MAYBE his "It's a dictatorship" is tapping into a part of Dean he's always wanted in the relationship. In S5 Dean had to realise that Sam was his own person and as this is a rehash of that, that comment could actually be important to the story line (heaven forbid there might actually be something important here). Ha! And I like the one-upmanship of Dean's "we're not even partners". Go Dean! (listens for fandom hating on Dean...*crickets*..on that's right...). I love how Carver is showing Sam and Dean's maturing relationship. So fucking mature.
I actually don't have an issue with MoC!Dean because he's part of the storyline and now myth arc (and Jensen is embodying this new version of Dean) and that's what happens. He's dark, he's cut off from humanity, he's driven and uncaring and all that stuff - and that actually would be doubly amazing if we didn't have all that stuff that the first half of the season opened up (this is what he did last season didn't he? Second half completely different and unconnected to the first half? Why am I even surprised).
But why does have Dean being all dark and scary mean that Sam has to be an ineffectual, frowny face, "oh, I think that nasty Mark might be changing you Dean" type of character now? Yes, yes I know, I know it's all about drawing out the tension blah blah, but seriously? In S4 Dean knew when Sam was off the reservation and DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Sam is ...what? What the fuck is he doing? Oh, that's right. Nothing. Just taking orders because that's what he always does and he can just wander off with Cas because clearly leaving Dean to do what ever Dean is going do is fine with him.
Fuck that shit.
I'm sure Cas was interesting to those who are interested. I'm not, so I really don't care what was gong on for him. Though I did like the Sam and Cas scenes just because it was Sam and Cas. Even though it amounted to absolutely nothing. Not even a decent chat about what was going on with Dean. Cas knows about the Mark but didn't say anything to Sam. Because that always works. (I am sure in any other episode I would be squeeing about those scenes. There were some nice moments, but I'm so annoyed that I'll have to come back to them later).
I have nothing to say about Metatron because of ALL the big bads that have EVER EXISTED he is the most boring and most annoying. In fact, the only thing I will feel when he dies is relief so we don't have to see him any more. What even is his character? He's supposedly "writing" all this but what does that actually mean? It's doing my head in and in fact I don't care. So that's easy.
And then there's Gadreel. Is he dead? I kind of hope so because that will be one less angel to have to worry about seeing again. Though if he is dead what was the point of him? Other than to give Jared something interesting to work with at the beginning of the season. If he's not - well, why not? What's he going to be able to so in one episode? Side with Sam (who clearly was ready to hug him and welcome him onto the fold because he actually liked being possessed and his body used to kill someone) and help foil Metatron? Maybe Gad and Sam will be soul buds. They share soooo much now. All of Sam's memories for starters.
The one thing I really did like was Dean attacking Gadreel at the end. Now THAT MADE SENSE! I was worried that they were going to greet him with open arms but thankfully Dean remembered what he did to Kevin and Sam and got his revenge (at least the ep ended on a kind of exciting note).
How did Gad get in I wonder? Oh that's right. They left the front door open.
Don't even get me started on Tessa. It has taken me AGES. And I mean 9 YEARS to FINALLY be pissed off with them bringing back characters just to kill them. It made me nostalgic though for that wonderful episode she first appeared in "In My Time of Dying". Oh and... I thought she was a reaper? So are they actually angels? Did I miss something there? And I thought she could only be seen when someone was dying. LOL!CANON!
But, the turning point for me in this episode (because actually, I was mostly enjoying it up until this point) was when Metraton was addressing them all on the computer. That was when I lost my shit (and fell asleep).
Because it made me realise how damn STUPID angels are. What the fuck?! They change loyalties because they suddenly BELIEVE the angel that kicked them out of Heaven in the first place? The one that tells them he'll be their God?! Can they not think for themselves ?! (reminds be of humans actually). If angels this season weren't boring enough already (oh Zach how I miss youuuuu!!) they then make them STUPID on top of it. I hope they all go back to heaven and the gates or moving portals are closed FOREVER!
And then he asks Cas to kill Dean - because we know that's going to happen. My goodness! I was biting my nails with tension! Would Dean die?! Oh noes! Oh *phew* Cas chose Dean. I had no idea that would happen.
Oh and yes. Sam got to be all worried again (and now I am finally understanding why Dean!gals were getting pissed off with sidelined Dean when Sam had the story. I UNDERSTAND NOW!). Why the hell both characters can't actually have, you know, characters when something is happening to the other I don't know.
I'm sorry. Most of that was just getting it off my chest. I felt like this in the middle of last season and now I'm feeling it in the penultimate episode of the season. What I hate more than anything is I know...I KNOW...I am going to massively disappointed with the finale. I can't think of a single thing that will salvage this season for me. Maybe Sam will be allowed to grow some balls (but if he does fandom will hate him all over again. Becauyse yes, I've already seen someone say that at least Dean is being nicer to Sam than Sam was to him when Sam was pissed off. I JUST CAN'T WITH THAT SHIT). I'm BEYOND thinking we'll even get a SMIDGEON of his pov. Possession? What fucking possession?! Oh that's right. He's fine with that because he's so used to his body being used and abused by something else. He's fine with Dean making choices for him. ARGHHHHHHHHH
Actually. I know what will salvage this for me. If Dean kills Sam and then kills himself and they put themselves and everyone else out of their misery. (Well, mine anyway). And then Cas can rule the world and have his own SPN spin off.
(As much as I would love to say "I QUIT YOU", I know that I can't. I suppose there's this 1% of hope left that next week will actually give us some powerful Sam and Dean. Something that ties in at least a little bit of the potential of the opening episode. I will try and remain positive going into that episode).
I'm not even kidding guys. It's probably due to the bad mood that I have been carrying all day and the lack of wine I drank during the episode. It's not even that I totally hated it. It's just that realisation (like the one I had in the middle of last season) that it's not going anywhere near where I was hoping it would. I'm mostly just venting (but please heed the warning. I am more than happy to hear your positive comments though - if fact, I probably need some cheering up).
I think I've figured out the one thing I really want from this show...
For it to make fucking sense!
That's it. That's all I really want. I mean sure, I'd love the brothers to be on the same page, I've like to actually recognise the characters again, I'd like there to be less boring angel shit, I'd like to actually care about what's going on but MOST OF ALL...make fucking sense!
I've been patient. I've been veeery patient because I truly believed this was all going somewhere (shut up
tebtosca! ;D). I actually thought the issues they raised in the beginning of the season were actually going to MEAN SOMETHING. And I know many of you told me it wasn't going to happen, but I held on. I actually thought there was potential to dig deep into this relationship and GO SOMEWHERE with it.But no. It's not about that. In fact. It's not about anything. It's not about Dean realising the lines he crossed when allowing an angel to possess Sam. It's not about Sam trying to understand Dean and his motivations and reasons for making the decisions he does. It's not about issues of trust or good intentions or fighting the good fight. Shit, is it even about family any more? Oh that's right. It's apparently about Team Free Will and therefore it's full of warm fuzzies and everything is going to be fine because TFW rides again! (Which would be wonderful if I actually gave a shit about that).
*deep breath*
I would like to try and step back and see what this episode was actually trying to do but because in the end it essentially did nothing I am at a complete and utter loss.
We saw Dean getting darker and a couple of those moments were hot as hell (and I wish that at least saved the ep for me) but now we just have an even dickier Dean than we've had all season. One minute he's a lying liar who lies and then he's a threatening scary mother fucker. I get why he's that way and maybe there is something interesting here. Maybe, just MAYBE his "It's a dictatorship" is tapping into a part of Dean he's always wanted in the relationship. In S5 Dean had to realise that Sam was his own person and as this is a rehash of that, that comment could actually be important to the story line (heaven forbid there might actually be something important here). Ha! And I like the one-upmanship of Dean's "we're not even partners". Go Dean! (listens for fandom hating on Dean...*crickets*..on that's right...). I love how Carver is showing Sam and Dean's maturing relationship. So fucking mature.
I actually don't have an issue with MoC!Dean because he's part of the storyline and now myth arc (and Jensen is embodying this new version of Dean) and that's what happens. He's dark, he's cut off from humanity, he's driven and uncaring and all that stuff - and that actually would be doubly amazing if we didn't have all that stuff that the first half of the season opened up (this is what he did last season didn't he? Second half completely different and unconnected to the first half? Why am I even surprised).
But why does have Dean being all dark and scary mean that Sam has to be an ineffectual, frowny face, "oh, I think that nasty Mark might be changing you Dean" type of character now? Yes, yes I know, I know it's all about drawing out the tension blah blah, but seriously? In S4 Dean knew when Sam was off the reservation and DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Sam is ...what? What the fuck is he doing? Oh, that's right. Nothing. Just taking orders because that's what he always does and he can just wander off with Cas because clearly leaving Dean to do what ever Dean is going do is fine with him.
Fuck that shit.
I'm sure Cas was interesting to those who are interested. I'm not, so I really don't care what was gong on for him. Though I did like the Sam and Cas scenes just because it was Sam and Cas. Even though it amounted to absolutely nothing. Not even a decent chat about what was going on with Dean. Cas knows about the Mark but didn't say anything to Sam. Because that always works. (I am sure in any other episode I would be squeeing about those scenes. There were some nice moments, but I'm so annoyed that I'll have to come back to them later).
I have nothing to say about Metatron because of ALL the big bads that have EVER EXISTED he is the most boring and most annoying. In fact, the only thing I will feel when he dies is relief so we don't have to see him any more. What even is his character? He's supposedly "writing" all this but what does that actually mean? It's doing my head in and in fact I don't care. So that's easy.
And then there's Gadreel. Is he dead? I kind of hope so because that will be one less angel to have to worry about seeing again. Though if he is dead what was the point of him? Other than to give Jared something interesting to work with at the beginning of the season. If he's not - well, why not? What's he going to be able to so in one episode? Side with Sam (who clearly was ready to hug him and welcome him onto the fold because he actually liked being possessed and his body used to kill someone) and help foil Metatron? Maybe Gad and Sam will be soul buds. They share soooo much now. All of Sam's memories for starters.
The one thing I really did like was Dean attacking Gadreel at the end. Now THAT MADE SENSE! I was worried that they were going to greet him with open arms but thankfully Dean remembered what he did to Kevin and Sam and got his revenge (at least the ep ended on a kind of exciting note).
How did Gad get in I wonder? Oh that's right. They left the front door open.
Don't even get me started on Tessa. It has taken me AGES. And I mean 9 YEARS to FINALLY be pissed off with them bringing back characters just to kill them. It made me nostalgic though for that wonderful episode she first appeared in "In My Time of Dying". Oh and... I thought she was a reaper? So are they actually angels? Did I miss something there? And I thought she could only be seen when someone was dying. LOL!CANON!
But, the turning point for me in this episode (because actually, I was mostly enjoying it up until this point) was when Metraton was addressing them all on the computer. That was when I lost my shit (and fell asleep).
Because it made me realise how damn STUPID angels are. What the fuck?! They change loyalties because they suddenly BELIEVE the angel that kicked them out of Heaven in the first place? The one that tells them he'll be their God?! Can they not think for themselves ?! (reminds be of humans actually). If angels this season weren't boring enough already (oh Zach how I miss youuuuu!!) they then make them STUPID on top of it. I hope they all go back to heaven and the gates or moving portals are closed FOREVER!
And then he asks Cas to kill Dean - because we know that's going to happen. My goodness! I was biting my nails with tension! Would Dean die?! Oh noes! Oh *phew* Cas chose Dean. I had no idea that would happen.
Oh and yes. Sam got to be all worried again (and now I am finally understanding why Dean!gals were getting pissed off with sidelined Dean when Sam had the story. I UNDERSTAND NOW!). Why the hell both characters can't actually have, you know, characters when something is happening to the other I don't know.
I'm sorry. Most of that was just getting it off my chest. I felt like this in the middle of last season and now I'm feeling it in the penultimate episode of the season. What I hate more than anything is I know...I KNOW...I am going to massively disappointed with the finale. I can't think of a single thing that will salvage this season for me. Maybe Sam will be allowed to grow some balls (but if he does fandom will hate him all over again. Becauyse yes, I've already seen someone say that at least Dean is being nicer to Sam than Sam was to him when Sam was pissed off. I JUST CAN'T WITH THAT SHIT). I'm BEYOND thinking we'll even get a SMIDGEON of his pov. Possession? What fucking possession?! Oh that's right. He's fine with that because he's so used to his body being used and abused by something else. He's fine with Dean making choices for him. ARGHHHHHHHHH
Actually. I know what will salvage this for me. If Dean kills Sam and then kills himself and they put themselves and everyone else out of their misery. (Well, mine anyway). And then Cas can rule the world and have his own SPN spin off.
(As much as I would love to say "I QUIT YOU", I know that I can't. I suppose there's this 1% of hope left that next week will actually give us some powerful Sam and Dean. Something that ties in at least a little bit of the potential of the opening episode. I will try and remain positive going into that episode).
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Date: 2014-05-15 05:54 pm (UTC)I think Sam seems ineffectual because he doesn't know what the MoC is doing to Dean. In S4 Dean saw Sam trying to exorcise demons with his mind and Dean knew about Sam's possible powers, so he knew what he was dealing with right from the start (well, he didn't know about Sam drinking Ruby's blood, but he knew enough). And because the Mark didn't turn Dean permanently into a green rage-monster the moment he touched the Blade, Sam may have thought that he had more time to figure out what's going on.
As for Dean realizing that he crossed a line when he let an angel possess Sam, to me it felt like he's known it since he made the choice. Especially since "Zeke" told Dean that Sam couldn't know, so basically from the 1st ep of the season. Then his guilt culminated in letting himself be MoC'ed because he didn't care about what would happen to him because he didn't have Sam anymore and he could at least take down one Big Bad. Maybe I'm a bit more content with the season because I never felt that Sam's main problem with being angel-possessed was the non-con body usage but the fact that Dean made it happen which caused Sam to lose his trust in Dean. The lost trust they addressed this season, so I'm happy enough with the situation. However, Dean never really connected the dots to see what in Sam's opinion he did wrong and the 'working but not as brothers' scene could've been clearer, but I'm still mostly okay with the way things went down and hoping that after Dean gets de-MoC'ed, the boys will sit down to talk this whole thing out. Even though objectively what happened to Sam was non-con body usage, I'm maintaining my earlier opinion (that I think I wrote in a comment somewhere in your LJ earlier this season) that it was not the same exact thing as a demonic possession because Gadreel's intentions were very different from what a demon would be doing in that situation. Like Sam said in 9x21 he wasn't afraid that he'd be hurt and that it was more like "shared housing" than possession (and Sam would know the difference). Anyway, that's how I'm reading this and I'm letting Sam decide what most hurt him about the whole thing and I'm refusing to let anyone piss in my Cheerios. ;)
Metatron is annoyingly smug, like he's stuck in an Evil Overlord monologue mode, but that's angelic villains for you, I guess. *shrugs* He really needs to go and I wouldn't mind Show scaling way down on the angel stuff next season. But I'm glad that this ep looked like much of the angel stuff will be dealt with this season and I'm excited to see it go. I wouldn't mind if Cas said goodbye as well, because its mostly his existence that makes the Show come up with boring angel stuff in the first place. Part of my 'YAY, finale' excitement is the anticipation of getting to see Metatron die a bloody death. :D I'm guessing Gadreel will give the boys info on Metatron's operation before he dies (if he dies because that wasn't an insta-kill), and he might even give Cas his grace if doesn't die too fast and if it's in any better condition than Cas's current one. Anyway, I'm happy that Gadreel gets a chance to right some of the wrongs he did.
In conclusion, hot MoC!Dean, will-step-up!Sam, and doomed!Metatron! And Carry on my wayward son. \o/
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Date: 2014-05-17 01:16 am (UTC)Thank you so much for your positive take. It has helped! I do sometimes wonder if it's fandom's overall reading on that opening scene that has left me hoping for more rather than what they show actually intended with it. I think Show probably HAS addressed some of the issues it raised and have given us enough hints about how Sam felt about it (which is essentially my major gripe. Not seeing Sam's pov on the possession). I suppose I just hoped that the actual possession would become a "thing" rather than just Dean's guilt about it. I think I also hoped that Show helped make people see that Sam was within his rights to be annoyed at Dean for what he did. I know some viewers have got that, but I still see Sam being hated on because he had the gaul to stand up to Dean. I know what he said was hurtful, but it needed to be said. I want those words to have mattered - to see that Sam meant that he wouldn't save Dean in the same manner Dean saved him and that Dean would get that. I know we still have one episode to go and those things might be addressed, but I'm thinking all that stuff was merely a catalyst to get Dean to take on the Mark.
The Mark storyline I follow really well. It makes sense. And I see Dean's guilt and how horrible he feels about himself clearly. But as he said to Sam "I'd do it again" it means that he hasn't progressed from the person he was in 9.01. He watched Sam be tortured, saw Kevin killed, felt the guilt and pain and yet he said he'd do it again. I know he meant he save Sam again - but I think, as a character, he needs to understand there are some lines that probably shouldn't be crossed. I know family is EVERYTHING to Dean so maybe he'd come to the same conclusion, but it just feels like there's some genuine understanding that he's missed throughout this whole thing. And by that I mean the writers aren't giving him that growth. Of course, with the Mark it means he can't think about all that - but maybe after the Mark things will change for him.
and I'm letting Sam decide what most hurt him about the whole thing
Hee. I do like this. And if the Show would actually let us know how Sam feels about it I'd be right there with you! I don't even care if they make him say "I'm ok with that possession. I have had worse inside me so on that scale Gadreel was pretty good" at least we'd know that's how Sam is feeling. Though, I suppose he did say (upon reflection) he doesn't want to talk about it so we have to assume he's not ok with it. And he gets pissed whenever he sees Gadreel. Which means if he's not ok with it are we going to see what kind of effect that's having on him? We haven't been allowed to see any effect on him (um..maybe a death wish in the episode with Castiel - but that didn't really go anywhere ).
Mostly I need to get past wanting more from what started the whole shebang. I did expect some to be addressed in that episode and that is purely why I was so down on it. If that had aired a few weeks ago I wouldn't have had an issue with it at all (expect the lol!canon angel reaper and all the boring angel stuff).
Aaanyway. Thank you!! That will help me go into the next episode more positively. :)))