So ya know...

[ash48]

I'm not going to be writing up a reaction or review of 10.12. In fact, it's unlikely I'll be writing them any more. I feel I only want to complain these days and that's not fair on anyone (though I'm thinking of writing up some general stuff - mostly to help me try and work why I'm feeling just over it all).

I am still curious about what every one thought so I'll still do the polls (if you're all still happy to fill them out *g*).

[Poll #1998102]

Comments

[giacinta2.livejournal.com]

I always browse your comments page after an episode, and each time I tell myself that I'm not going to comment because I have only bad things to say, which are never pleasurable to read, but then I get caught up and so...

I have loved all the seasons from 1 to 7, outwith the occasional episode.
I have never been one of those who thinks the show should have ended with Swan Song. I hated that Sam had to take the punishment for errors and bad choices that were not all his, so I was really happy that the show continued on and he got out of the Cage.

But from the moment Carver took over, the show changed completely.
I loathed season eight from the first ten minutes it aired, with the ridiculous 'Sam not looking for Dean fiasco', but I will admit there were a couple of good episodes, the Mol one and the Golem one, to name two.

Funny how you think something has hit rock bottom just to find out that the bottom was false and things get even worse. For me season nine was worse than eight, just as ten is worse than nine.
It's because I love Sam and Dean that I can't stand to see how their complex and charismatic personalities have been completely trashed by Carver and his talentless writers.
The writing is shallow and puerile, the characters of Sam and Dean have lost all the depth they used to have and have been reduced to Scoobie-Doo cartoonish figures.

The brother touching, the shirt-fisting, the shoulder bumps, the eye-communication etc., have been either eliminated or toned right down, and though these things may seem of no importance they were integral parts of the brothers' characters.

I hate what Carver has done to this show.
His dislike of his two lead characters is palpable. He couldn't give two figs about Sam and Dean.
When he is forced to give us a 'brother' episode it's done shoddily without any care, causing the Winchesters to look silly and incapable, and when the brothers are separated, which is most of the time, they are only useful to play off against Carver's preferred 'monster' and guest characters, and to keep the core audience of brother fans tuning in.

Even TPTB must have a low appreciation of Carver and co, as Pedowitz practically called them out on their incapability of coming up with a decent spin-off. "We'll see if the writers can give us something we can use!" I believe he said.

The most terrible thing of all for me is that the show could still be great.
The J's ,who were, are and will always be the heart and soul of the show are still there.
All that is necessary to bring the show back to its heyday is good writing, a scary villain, hard rock, urban legends and gritty lighting, but unfortunately Carver writes as badly as he speaks, one can understand neither.
So very sorry for the negative rant. :(

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hi there!

Thanks for dropping in. Never worry about being negative (even when I'm positive). I love hearing different points of view. :)

I hated that Sam had to take the punishment for errors and bad choices that were not all his,

It never sat well with me either. I hated the idea that it could end with them separate in such a bad way. Sam rotting in Lucifer's cage is horrible - especially for someone like Sam who ended up there essentially because Dean brought him back from the dead in S2. Dean never gets called out on the choices he makes for Sam, choices that later effect Sam greatly. It's an area of their relationship that I find both intriguing and highly frustrating. S9 brought that to a major head with Dean making a choice for Sam - resulting in him being used to kill someone. I had very high hopes that S9 was finally going to address that.

but I will admit there were a couple of good episodes, the Mol one and the Golem one, to name two.

I agree. A couple of my faves from that season too. First half was absolutely terrible. :(

The writing is shallow and puerile, the characters of Sam and Dean have lost all the depth they used to have and have been reduced to Scoobie-Doo cartoonish figures.

*nods*

Whereas I am enjoying S10 A LOT more than S9 and S8, it feels false because nothing from the last 2 seasons has been addressed. Everything Sam has endured has been skipped over and it's just so damn frustrating. For me (now), I "see" everything they are trying to do (especially with all the anvils) and it means the magic is lost.

"We'll see if the writers can give us something we can use!" I believe he said.

Ha, yes. Bloodlines was a farce (in terms of being a spin off for Supernatural) - it made it look they completely missed the point of why we watch SPN and why it's sooooo popular with fans.

All that is necessary to bring the show back to its heyday is good writing, a scary villain, hard rock, urban legends and gritty lighting

It would be amazing if they could go back there. I accept that the show has had to change though. The Js need/want more time off and to do that they've had to make it more ensemble. It doesn't excuse them for writing story lines that they don't resolve, or writing the brothers out of character. They could have explored all those things they started to (Sam not looking, Dean in Purgatory, the failed trails, Sam's autonomy, Dean's choices etc) and it might have been reeeeally interesting.

But alas. As many have said here, it's easier to lower expectations and watch for the pretty (which, I have been trying to do now for ages. I just feel so sad sometimes for what it could have been).

So very sorry for the negative rant. :(

Never apologise! And I came back with lots more negative stuff :/

[casey28.livejournal.com]

Sam rotting in Lucifer's cage is horrible - especially for someone like Sam who ended up there essentially because Dean brought him back from the dead in S2. Dean never gets called out on the choices he makes for Sam, choices that later effect Sam greatly

The angels would've brought Sam back from the dead eventually (just like they brought Dean and Adam back), cause they needed him to start the Apocalyse. Also, if Dean is to "blame" for anything bad that happened to Sam after he saved him in season 2, then we'll also have to "blame" Dean for every person who lived, because Sam was there to save them. It's the same thing in season 9... Kevin died, but others lived who would've died.