10.22 poll and, a different approach..

[ash48]

[Poll #2011057]



This might not work, but I'm keen to try it. I have a heap of thoughts about this episode. So many I'm not really sure where to start. So, instead of writing it all down, how about you share what you thought and we can chat about it? OR ask me a specific question and I'll answer it. That way the conversation will become the episode reaction. If that makes any sense (if not, I'll write something up later…*g*).

I adore talking about the show and accept the individual responses to it. I won't harsh your squee, nor will I spew rainbows over your discontent. At the moment I'm all over the damn place about the episode. I could squee and I could bitch. I saw brilliance and I saw major fail. I'm just…what is this show?! How dare you make me care so much when I see through your contrivance.

In other words…I need to talk!

Comments

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*I just don't get why Sam went in to kill Crowley just armed with what Rowena gave him. Why would he trust her hex bag? I missed Sam being smarter on that one.

Yeah, good question. I pondered this also. My thinking is Sam didn't know how to kill Crowley. He is the King of Hell after all. He knows Rowena really wanted him dead so assumed her hex would work. Sam doesn't have anything in his arsenal to kill Crowley (that knife wouldn't have either I don't think).

*Why did Cas go down so easy and almost end up killed?

This is the biggest problem I have with the episode. How did MoC!Dean beat and angel And also - why wasn't Cas called to try and save Charlie once the boys found her? How did he not know everything that was going on? I can only assume he's more "human" than he's ever been. On twitter, someone suggested he has no power because he's cut off from heaven. To be honest, I have no idea. I don't why they gave Cas his juice and now he can't use it. He could hold demon!Dean but not MoC!Dean? My "fanon" is that he didn't want to hurt Dean AND he felt he need the beat down because he failed Charlie (much like Sam felt he deserved Dean's wrath at the funeral).

it makes me want to write my own ending where Cas goes to Heaven to fetch Bobby so he can help co-ordinate a plan to save the Idgits!

Oh please!!! These idjits need saving! From themselves! :(( (and yes, yes, do write something!)

That is probably the watching past seasons talking right there.

Yeah, hard that. The boys have never been so hateful toward each other as they have been these last 3 seasons. Carver likes his drama!

[fireheart13.livejournal.com]

I agree, I felt Cas didn't WANT to hurt Dean, and was willing to take the punishment instead.

[cuddyclothes.livejournal.com]

That was my take on it. He doesn't fight back. I also think Dean has some sort of superstrength from the Mark--look how he busted out of that leather cuff.

[fireheart13.livejournal.com]

Excellent point!!! (about the mark strength)

[fanspired]

The 'exiled from heaven' explanation doesn't fly (pardon the pun). Cas was cut off from heaven in season 5 but he could still fly and respond to prayers until he was made human. Also, the only time he ever bled was when he was human. He flitted around Purgatory just fine. He wasn't cut off from heaven there? Last season all the angels were cut off from heaven, but it didn't seem to hamper them much. Gadreel was still able to resurrect Charlie and Castiel despite supposedly being in a weakened state.

No. Show has simply castrated Castiel to suit the convenience of the plot and is no longer bothering to explain his impotence. We're just supposed to accept it. Current policy seems to be to write under the assumption that cuurent viewers haven't seen, don't remember or don't care about previous canon.

[amnisias.livejournal.com]

I thought that Cas was holding back on purpose, because he thougoht that seeing the damage he was doing to his friend would 'snap him out' of his killer mindset. It wasn't like we was fighting back and Dean was stronger, he just let Dean pummel him.