10.23 reaction / a few thoughts
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ash48I don't have my laptop (or access to a computer) so just flying by with a few thoughts on the episodes. The poll will have to wait until I return home (after the con \o/)
I don't want to harsh anyone's squee so I'm not going to list the issues I had with it. I will say, that I'm very relieved that I wasn't sobbing wreck by the end (which I was prepared for). Instead I felt a certain amount of relief. Relief that it looks like the MoC story is over and the boys are back to normal and their relationship seems to have been healed somewhat. It looks like they've been fully "reset" which means I'm not nervous about next season (yet). It mostly looks like they're in whatever they're in together - which is something that hasn't happened for - well, ever? (Will have to ponder thst some more...maybe when the demons were released from hell?).
The biggest thing I've come away with is that it's just easier not to think too hard about the show any more. It cemented that there aren't really any through-lines or season by season character journey arcs, so there's no point looking for that any more. Season endings (esp last two) are about giving us the epic bromance moment (not complaining!!!) and having that as a bandaid for anything that's been said and done previously between them. I seriously need to stop expecting it to be any more than that by now.
I loved the intensity of the scene between the brothers at the end. I did have a little tear with Sam's pleading eyes (and thinking about Jared at the moment) and just thinking that he's been hurt and used so much, that it seemed like a fitting ending if Dean did actually kill him. *sob*.
I have a few questions, but one really burning one: I don't fully understarnd what happen to dean. One minute he's a murdering badass and utter dick, then he looks in the mirror and sees the 2 people he's hurt (not going to deny I would have loved him to flash back to the way he hurt Sam at the funeral), and he then is able to fight the mark enough to call death? Did he regain control of the mark again then? But then when Death was there he said some more horrid things to Sam (seriously, if that had been Sam he would have been slaughter by fandom by now!) and it looked like the mark had taken grip again. THEN he gained control (after Sam's undying love and devotion was made SUPER DUPER clear). So yeah, I lost the thread there. I think Dean was fighting it, and failing sometimes but not all the time. And why does Dean (Carver) continue to blame things on Sam - refusing death his soul and not shutting the gates of hell for two... And does Dean really think Sam is selfish? Still? Or is that just payback for Sam saying it to him (*oops* there I go, trying to make sense of it all..).
I said in a review recently thst 'I want the boys to burn the world for each other". Looks like they have!! If they're going to show us their unwavering co-dependency I'm glad they're showing us the potential world ending result of it. Will the boys ever see the destruction of it? Clearly no, because they wouldn't be able to give us finales like that. Also, I don't think they're meant to. They've tried, many times, but it always comes back to the two of them destroying, then mending the world. All because of their massive love, needs and faith in each other. Is it right? Ha! Clearly no, but man, who cares. This is fantasy. And what ultimately draws me to the show.
I am glad Sam didn't fail, I am glad we have the brothers back on the same page (I think! I thought that after s4, then we had a season of Dean not trusting Sam and it was a very dark season. Oh man, will they do that? Will Dean STILL be hating on Sam for unleashing the spell...ok, now I might have a reason to cry. I'm am too tired of the contrived issues between then. And I am sick of dean's hypocrisy. If they take dean and Sam down that repeated route....*stops*. No speculating).
And now I'm curious to see how they get out of this one! (Though looks like s mix of leviathans and demons when they were realised on the world). Love it to be really, really dark - but I can't see how when they're a bit restricted by their format and budget. But still, new big bad (along with Rowena and possible the Stynes). Plenty to see them through s11 I'd think. :).
I hope to write up more about s10 generally, but as I think there's no real connection between episodes or past events it's possibly not going to happen. And that's ok because I think it might just be all easier to watch episode by episode, moment by moment.
Let's just hope Sam get a new hair style. Is that too much to hope for?!
I'd love to hear your thoughts but I may not be able to respond for a while. I'm with my family and then the con. Xx
I don't want to harsh anyone's squee so I'm not going to list the issues I had with it. I will say, that I'm very relieved that I wasn't sobbing wreck by the end (which I was prepared for). Instead I felt a certain amount of relief. Relief that it looks like the MoC story is over and the boys are back to normal and their relationship seems to have been healed somewhat. It looks like they've been fully "reset" which means I'm not nervous about next season (yet). It mostly looks like they're in whatever they're in together - which is something that hasn't happened for - well, ever? (Will have to ponder thst some more...maybe when the demons were released from hell?).
The biggest thing I've come away with is that it's just easier not to think too hard about the show any more. It cemented that there aren't really any through-lines or season by season character journey arcs, so there's no point looking for that any more. Season endings (esp last two) are about giving us the epic bromance moment (not complaining!!!) and having that as a bandaid for anything that's been said and done previously between them. I seriously need to stop expecting it to be any more than that by now.
I loved the intensity of the scene between the brothers at the end. I did have a little tear with Sam's pleading eyes (and thinking about Jared at the moment) and just thinking that he's been hurt and used so much, that it seemed like a fitting ending if Dean did actually kill him. *sob*.
I have a few questions, but one really burning one: I don't fully understarnd what happen to dean. One minute he's a murdering badass and utter dick, then he looks in the mirror and sees the 2 people he's hurt (not going to deny I would have loved him to flash back to the way he hurt Sam at the funeral), and he then is able to fight the mark enough to call death? Did he regain control of the mark again then? But then when Death was there he said some more horrid things to Sam (seriously, if that had been Sam he would have been slaughter by fandom by now!) and it looked like the mark had taken grip again. THEN he gained control (after Sam's undying love and devotion was made SUPER DUPER clear). So yeah, I lost the thread there. I think Dean was fighting it, and failing sometimes but not all the time. And why does Dean (Carver) continue to blame things on Sam - refusing death his soul and not shutting the gates of hell for two... And does Dean really think Sam is selfish? Still? Or is that just payback for Sam saying it to him (*oops* there I go, trying to make sense of it all..).
I said in a review recently thst 'I want the boys to burn the world for each other". Looks like they have!! If they're going to show us their unwavering co-dependency I'm glad they're showing us the potential world ending result of it. Will the boys ever see the destruction of it? Clearly no, because they wouldn't be able to give us finales like that. Also, I don't think they're meant to. They've tried, many times, but it always comes back to the two of them destroying, then mending the world. All because of their massive love, needs and faith in each other. Is it right? Ha! Clearly no, but man, who cares. This is fantasy. And what ultimately draws me to the show.
I am glad Sam didn't fail, I am glad we have the brothers back on the same page (I think! I thought that after s4, then we had a season of Dean not trusting Sam and it was a very dark season. Oh man, will they do that? Will Dean STILL be hating on Sam for unleashing the spell...ok, now I might have a reason to cry. I'm am too tired of the contrived issues between then. And I am sick of dean's hypocrisy. If they take dean and Sam down that repeated route....*stops*. No speculating).
And now I'm curious to see how they get out of this one! (Though looks like s mix of leviathans and demons when they were realised on the world). Love it to be really, really dark - but I can't see how when they're a bit restricted by their format and budget. But still, new big bad (along with Rowena and possible the Stynes). Plenty to see them through s11 I'd think. :).
I hope to write up more about s10 generally, but as I think there's no real connection between episodes or past events it's possibly not going to happen. And that's ok because I think it might just be all easier to watch episode by episode, moment by moment.
Let's just hope Sam get a new hair style. Is that too much to hope for?!
I'd love to hear your thoughts but I may not be able to respond for a while. I'm with my family and then the con. Xx
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Date: 2015-05-23 03:08 pm (UTC)Dean summoning Death was the best part, but even that became so convoluted in a plot device organised just so Dean would finally get to the 'killing Abel/Sam' part, the intensity of the acting saved the day because a lot of things there were borderline laughable. I agree, there's no way you can trace this stuff back to anything characters have done before, you just have to take it one episode at a time.
Rowena, Crowley, Cas and the immortal Polish kid were bad time fillers and went on and on and on.
I was pleased neither died, payment for this escape though is rather enormous, or is it? Damned if I know actually, it all got rather jumpy as though the script writers just threw everything in there including the kitchen sink which has become their standard fair for season enders.
Lots of big questions, is Death dead, is the darkness akin to demons rising as to mirror to the angels falling? I'm not really sure, but it was very pretty wasn't it? Hope they don't drop the ball for 11 as they did with Purgatory and the Leviathan, phht, just look at me, still stupidly optimistic 10 years down the line!
Smaller questions, like when you car gets stuck in a pot hole and THE Darkness is approaching, maybe it's time to take the other car....?
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Date: 2015-05-28 09:59 am (UTC)How out of the blue was that?! I read somewhere else that it would have been nice for us to actually care about that character earlier, or know that Rowena felt something for him before we saw her murder him. It would have been much more powerful I feel.
just so Dean would finally get to the 'killing Abel/Sam' part,
Yes. I suppose at least they made some sort of connection, but it still makes little sense to me. With Dean removed from the planet I doubt Sam would have been able to do anything to get him back (they have clearly forgotten the Sam they gave us in S8). I actually thought Dean was going to kill Sam and that was going to be the thing that released him. I suppose I'm glad that didn't happen, but it might have been really interesting if it had.
Smaller questions, like when you car gets stuck in a pot hole and THE Darkness is approaching, maybe it's time to take the other car….?
Ha! Of yes. I didn't notice that the first time around, but seeing it again the other car is right in front of them! /o\