10.23 Poll

[ash48]

A little late, but I'm still keen to know what you all thought. :)

[Poll #2012232]

I still have a few comments to reply to on my original 10.23 post, and I hope to get to them soon. :))



Hearing Jensen say that the writers write the season finales (since S5) without a clue how they'll get themselves out if it confirms my new found (solid) understanding that there really is no journey from the beginning of a season to the end of it. I did think that maybe Carver had a 3 year plan when he took over in S8, but if they don't know how a season will end, then I have to assume that there's been no thought put into any continuous character or myth arc journey. And it's clear now that he didn't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (and I don't think it would be if you don't watch the show for overall themes or character arcs), just disappointing. To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating. If you make Dean do something like he did at the beginning of S9, surely it has to end some sort of comment about it. Jensen believes that the MoC story started for Dean at 9.01 (which I agree with), but I never got the sense that the show/writers thought that. They both suffered as a result of it and yet neither seem to have come away with any understanding it. Though, maybe there's a plan in that. If they understood any of that they would be too "healthy" to be our beloved, screwed up Winchesters…;)

Aaanyway. I could yabber on about all that for ages, but I'm not sure there are any answers. If they don't write in answers (and jump from idea to idea) then I'm just not sure it's even worth nutting out. Though I'll always be interested in fanon ideas… :D

Comments

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

I loved it while watching it. Got swept away by the action, the emotion and the unexpected. I cried when Sam pulled out the photos of the family for Dean. Later I felt nearly guilty for feeling this way (the ep, not just the one scene). As if I was betraying the "old" Supernatural with proper season myth arcs and character development and such. As if I was now just getting high on "insta drama" and action without real depth. Fast food.. Does that make me weird? This ep really grabbed me, pulled me in. Left me shocked. And yet it is like I'm cheering for a different show. That I have a different relationship with. (Since Carver). It's strange.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I think it's great to cheerlead the show! I am constantly looking for any little bit that makes me have that squee that I used to feel. And there were a few moments this season that definitely had me doing that. I had a tear at that very moment too! And I loved that. I desperately want to feel that and I love that the show can still do it.

But I know what you mean. There are times I don't want to give Carver anything - not a single tear! But actually, it's the Js commitment and performances that I'm giving my heart to. There's no doubt about the love and commitment everyone puts into the show so there are times it's hard to be overly critical. It's just those moments when you want to shake it and say "I know you can do better!". (actually check out galwithglasses comment below. She sums it up rather perfectly).

*hugs*

[batgurl10.livejournal.com]

Omg, i feel the exact same way and I thought it was only me. I swear since Carver took over it's like we're watching the Winchesters from a different dimension it's a different show with the same people. I think I'm going to have to start thinking of the show pre season five and post season five because you're right it is totally different and yet I'm still here...

[greyowl88.livejournal.com]

and yet I'm still here...

Lol, I'm sure somebody must have tied us to the chair or something, because I've been wanting to leave a few times now but I just can't. Addicted to Supernatural and now stuck with Carvernatural... :P ;)