10.23 Poll

[ash48]

A little late, but I'm still keen to know what you all thought. :)

[Poll #2012232]

I still have a few comments to reply to on my original 10.23 post, and I hope to get to them soon. :))



Hearing Jensen say that the writers write the season finales (since S5) without a clue how they'll get themselves out if it confirms my new found (solid) understanding that there really is no journey from the beginning of a season to the end of it. I did think that maybe Carver had a 3 year plan when he took over in S8, but if they don't know how a season will end, then I have to assume that there's been no thought put into any continuous character or myth arc journey. And it's clear now that he didn't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (and I don't think it would be if you don't watch the show for overall themes or character arcs), just disappointing. To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating. If you make Dean do something like he did at the beginning of S9, surely it has to end some sort of comment about it. Jensen believes that the MoC story started for Dean at 9.01 (which I agree with), but I never got the sense that the show/writers thought that. They both suffered as a result of it and yet neither seem to have come away with any understanding it. Though, maybe there's a plan in that. If they understood any of that they would be too "healthy" to be our beloved, screwed up Winchesters…;)

Aaanyway. I could yabber on about all that for ages, but I'm not sure there are any answers. If they don't write in answers (and jump from idea to idea) then I'm just not sure it's even worth nutting out. Though I'll always be interested in fanon ideas… :D

Comments

[aletheiafelinea.livejournal.com]

To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating.
Yeah, this. On their place I'd try to think out some arc just in case, even if it would be to change on the way... Also, don't they talk with each other, or what? However, I must say I very much appreciate Jensen's honesty about it. The irony is, it's not even his fault - he suffers on it as much as we! it's the material he gets to work with after all - and yet apparently he feels he owes us an explanation for the writers' faults. There's an idiom in my native language for such things: "to shine with one's eyes for someone / on someone's behalf", meaning that the one doing shining is in a pretty awkward position.

As for the season finale, it had good moments, but also awful and bewildering ones (Death's death??? come on... Also Dean seemed to change his mind and feelings - or lack of thereof - by a minute, back and forth; this was really confusing, and still I'm not really sure what it was about, exactly). Still, I'm interested what's next. (Especially if the lack of death in the universe is going to be a thing. A problem to cope with and all.)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I would love to hear what Jensen (and Jared) really think about the material they are given. I know they have "spoken" to Carver in the past - and Jared has expressed his dislike of what they did to Sam in the beginning of S8. I suppose they are just the "talent", so would mostly have to go along with it all. But I would also suspect they have a bit of power also. It seems the shows continuation is solely dependant on then - so they would have a bit of leverage I'd think.

I am hoping they do something interesting with the lack of Death in the universe. It would mean them going back to check past canon, and I'm not sure how often they do that. The boys are going to have a lot of "undead" people on their hands if there's no death. Hmmmm…zombies maybe...