10.23 Poll

[ash48]

A little late, but I'm still keen to know what you all thought. :)

[Poll #2012232]

I still have a few comments to reply to on my original 10.23 post, and I hope to get to them soon. :))



Hearing Jensen say that the writers write the season finales (since S5) without a clue how they'll get themselves out if it confirms my new found (solid) understanding that there really is no journey from the beginning of a season to the end of it. I did think that maybe Carver had a 3 year plan when he took over in S8, but if they don't know how a season will end, then I have to assume that there's been no thought put into any continuous character or myth arc journey. And it's clear now that he didn't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (and I don't think it would be if you don't watch the show for overall themes or character arcs), just disappointing. To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating. If you make Dean do something like he did at the beginning of S9, surely it has to end some sort of comment about it. Jensen believes that the MoC story started for Dean at 9.01 (which I agree with), but I never got the sense that the show/writers thought that. They both suffered as a result of it and yet neither seem to have come away with any understanding it. Though, maybe there's a plan in that. If they understood any of that they would be too "healthy" to be our beloved, screwed up Winchesters…;)

Aaanyway. I could yabber on about all that for ages, but I'm not sure there are any answers. If they don't write in answers (and jump from idea to idea) then I'm just not sure it's even worth nutting out. Though I'll always be interested in fanon ideas… :D

Comments

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Excellent comment, I feel you've covered everything I have been uncomfortable about for a long time. Sometimes it just feels so damned mean to criticise something that so many put such brilliant work into and so many are still enjoying, but it breaks my heart to have lost my connections to the Winchesters through a lot of this writing for the sheer drama with no clear path ways or resolutions.

Thank you.

[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

I think I would be able to handle some of the drama if it was part of a bigger picture that was heading toward character growth but we never seem to get to that point. There doesn't seem to be a bigger picture. I'm tired of the driving push for the drama of the season to be that the brothers aren't going to get along and then at the end, slap a 3 minute scene on it that is supposed to make it better. I've lost my confidence that the show will actually spend any time emotionally putting these characters back together in any kind of meaningful way. Basically they made Sam and Dean's relationship the Big Bad for me, whether intended or not. That's probably all on me but I don't know how to get past it.

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Basically they made Sam and Dean's relationship the Big Bad for me, whether intended or not.

*nods*, well said.

No, I don't think it's all you, I've spent the last three seasons not really liking the Winchesters any longer, too many things happen without explanations, too many words spoken with no follow through or ramifications. There's twists and turns to plotting and then there's characters changing track so fast your head will spin. To me they are mere flat shadows of the well rounded flawed characters I knew and I'm not sure if I can get past it either. I watch now pretty much detached from everything.