10.23 Poll
May. 27th, 2015 07:49 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ash48A little late, but I'm still keen to know what you all thought. :)
[Poll #2012232]
I still have a few comments to reply to on my original 10.23 post, and I hope to get to them soon. :))
Hearing Jensen say that the writers write the season finales (since S5) without a clue how they'll get themselves out if it confirms my new found (solid) understanding that there really is no journey from the beginning of a season to the end of it. I did think that maybe Carver had a 3 year plan when he took over in S8, but if they don't know how a season will end, then I have to assume that there's been no thought put into any continuous character or myth arc journey. And it's clear now that he didn't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (and I don't think it would be if you don't watch the show for overall themes or character arcs), just disappointing. To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating. If you make Dean do something like he did at the beginning of S9, surely it has to end some sort of comment about it. Jensen believes that the MoC story started for Dean at 9.01 (which I agree with), but I never got the sense that the show/writers thought that. They both suffered as a result of it and yet neither seem to have come away with any understanding it. Though, maybe there's a plan in that. If they understood any of that they would be too "healthy" to be our beloved, screwed up Winchesters…;)
Aaanyway. I could yabber on about all that for ages, but I'm not sure there are any answers. If they don't write in answers (and jump from idea to idea) then I'm just not sure it's even worth nutting out. Though I'll always be interested in fanon ideas… :D
[Poll #2012232]
I still have a few comments to reply to on my original 10.23 post, and I hope to get to them soon. :))
Hearing Jensen say that the writers write the season finales (since S5) without a clue how they'll get themselves out if it confirms my new found (solid) understanding that there really is no journey from the beginning of a season to the end of it. I did think that maybe Carver had a 3 year plan when he took over in S8, but if they don't know how a season will end, then I have to assume that there's been no thought put into any continuous character or myth arc journey. And it's clear now that he didn't. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (and I don't think it would be if you don't watch the show for overall themes or character arcs), just disappointing. To keep throwing the boys into these ethical, moral and personal dilemmas without some sort of resolution is just frustrating. If you make Dean do something like he did at the beginning of S9, surely it has to end some sort of comment about it. Jensen believes that the MoC story started for Dean at 9.01 (which I agree with), but I never got the sense that the show/writers thought that. They both suffered as a result of it and yet neither seem to have come away with any understanding it. Though, maybe there's a plan in that. If they understood any of that they would be too "healthy" to be our beloved, screwed up Winchesters…;)
Aaanyway. I could yabber on about all that for ages, but I'm not sure there are any answers. If they don't write in answers (and jump from idea to idea) then I'm just not sure it's even worth nutting out. Though I'll always be interested in fanon ideas… :D
![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
no subject
Date: 2015-05-29 11:26 am (UTC)And particularly this:
This show sucks at aftercare. They dump huge amounts of heavy nasty emotional crap on the Winchesters and their relationship and then la la la Dean helps Sam off the floor and we're all supposed to be excited that they are on the same page again. Yeah, just no.
This was my big beef with the end of last season. They open this huge can of worms - make Dean do something highly questionable to save Sam, have Sam say some things that turned fandom against him - and fix it all with "I'm proud of us". I hoped that wasn't a bandaid, but it ended up being just that. At least this finale didn't just have one brother doing the reckless thing to save the other. They both did the reckless thing, so at least there can't be a season full of one seeking redemption and forgiveness (I HOPE!).
It has become increasingly clear that it's only about that immediate need for drama - for conflict, without any thought to how they will get them out of it organically. Or how, what they've done in order to save each other, affects the relationship and their understanding of their choices. Or maybe they ARE aware of what they are doing and keep the Winchesters in the dark because they need to keep that theme going.
I would have thought it would be easier to remove that conflict and just have them working together to hunt evil. Sure, they could have their little sibling spats within an episode but they could end those season long anti-trust, deceitful, horrid angst fests.
And you're right - they do still produce great one off episodes and have amazing guest stars. There's a lot of passion from the actors and crew and if stories are to be believed it's a remarkable set to be on. I can only think it comes down to the show runner, not being able to stick to planned threads or be at all interested in overall character growth.
I think individual directors do create themes with their lighting and camera shots (especially Guy Bee), but they aren't carried through to the next director. I also think each writer has a way of seeing the characters and add their interpretation when they write their script.
I am still hooked, but I definitely feel I am able to step back now and not look for the meta or character/story arcs. Shame, because I think a show like this could have such a lot to say.
Thanks so much for your articulate thoughts. <33