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ash48I haven't posted anything about 11.10 yet because a) I'm away from my computer (on holidays) and typing on my iPad which isn't ideal and b) I really don't know how to say what I want to say about it (though I've tried).
(warning - negativity under the cut. Please do not let me harsh your squee. Move on by (like I know I really should).
I did a lot of soul searching last night after watching the episode. I had a moment of clarity that made me see how Carver is essentially just taking the piss. The sheer laziness in the storytelling made me want to weep (and in fact I did). I was seriously contemplating taking my bat and ball and going home. And I was ready to do it but an addiction like this is not so easy to kick it seems (the next day I was back checking all my fandom places and wanting to talk about it /O\) It's purely personal - it's about the way I watch and enjoy this show. I know many loved it and I think that's awesome. :)
I can't write it all out here but I will just say this; Season 4 and 5 were built around Sam and Dean evolving to a point where they had to say yes/no to lucifer/Michael. It explored motive, weakness, loyalty, trust and strength. And then in one episode. ONE EPISODE. Cas said yes to lucifer. No build up, no exploration, no in-depth motive' it was just "ooh, I know what we can do with Cas now! Let's make him Lucifer!" He has one tiny scene that makes me feel less heroic than Sam and Dean and *wham* he's lucifer. They had a whole first half of the season to put Cas in a place were this made sense - instead they had him watching Netflix.
Then there was the confirmation that Sam didn't look for Dean in S8 because they had apparently made a promise not to. If you are going to do that to a character give us that scene. In S5 there was a scene where Sam told Dean to go and live his life after his death. Even then, we found out in S6 that Dean still tried all he could to find Sam. So in s8 we have Sam not even trying to figure out where dean went and abandoning Kevin because of an off-screen "promise". I'm sorry, but that's carver's canon and I just cannot accept it (and he keeps pushing that message home - like if he says it enough it will make it true).
Ok, there were some nice bits in that ep, but even the funny voice message and bro touching couldn't shake me out of the "what the fuck was that?!" after it all sunk in.
(And don't get me started on the fandom war it's created about who played the better Lucifer. The cynic in me thinks it a deliberate ploy to stir up fandom on-line chatter. The realist in me says they simply have no idea what they are doing and it's just a "fun" place to take the storyline).
I'm glad Rowena got a chance to tell us why she's the way she is before they killed her. It was one of her best scenes.
There's more but I am feeling just so weary. I long for the simple MOTW eps where they stop trying to do something with an absurd myth arc that is not thought through.
(And why didn't Lucifer just kill Sam and Dean? How does the devil have a fist fight? What happened to a click of the fingers and a body explodes. Agh...I have to stop before I explode).
I used too many brackets. Oh well.
(warning - negativity under the cut. Please do not let me harsh your squee. Move on by (like I know I really should).
I did a lot of soul searching last night after watching the episode. I had a moment of clarity that made me see how Carver is essentially just taking the piss. The sheer laziness in the storytelling made me want to weep (and in fact I did). I was seriously contemplating taking my bat and ball and going home. And I was ready to do it but an addiction like this is not so easy to kick it seems (the next day I was back checking all my fandom places and wanting to talk about it /O\) It's purely personal - it's about the way I watch and enjoy this show. I know many loved it and I think that's awesome. :)
I can't write it all out here but I will just say this; Season 4 and 5 were built around Sam and Dean evolving to a point where they had to say yes/no to lucifer/Michael. It explored motive, weakness, loyalty, trust and strength. And then in one episode. ONE EPISODE. Cas said yes to lucifer. No build up, no exploration, no in-depth motive' it was just "ooh, I know what we can do with Cas now! Let's make him Lucifer!" He has one tiny scene that makes me feel less heroic than Sam and Dean and *wham* he's lucifer. They had a whole first half of the season to put Cas in a place were this made sense - instead they had him watching Netflix.
Then there was the confirmation that Sam didn't look for Dean in S8 because they had apparently made a promise not to. If you are going to do that to a character give us that scene. In S5 there was a scene where Sam told Dean to go and live his life after his death. Even then, we found out in S6 that Dean still tried all he could to find Sam. So in s8 we have Sam not even trying to figure out where dean went and abandoning Kevin because of an off-screen "promise". I'm sorry, but that's carver's canon and I just cannot accept it (and he keeps pushing that message home - like if he says it enough it will make it true).
Ok, there were some nice bits in that ep, but even the funny voice message and bro touching couldn't shake me out of the "what the fuck was that?!" after it all sunk in.
(And don't get me started on the fandom war it's created about who played the better Lucifer. The cynic in me thinks it a deliberate ploy to stir up fandom on-line chatter. The realist in me says they simply have no idea what they are doing and it's just a "fun" place to take the storyline).
I'm glad Rowena got a chance to tell us why she's the way she is before they killed her. It was one of her best scenes.
There's more but I am feeling just so weary. I long for the simple MOTW eps where they stop trying to do something with an absurd myth arc that is not thought through.
(And why didn't Lucifer just kill Sam and Dean? How does the devil have a fist fight? What happened to a click of the fingers and a body explodes. Agh...I have to stop before I explode).
I used too many brackets. Oh well.
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Date: 2016-01-22 04:23 pm (UTC)I do wish there had been a scene where Dean and Sam promise not to look for each other even if it doesn't really jive with my own head canon that Sam thought Dean was dead and wasn't going to look for him/bring him back from the dead. But if that's what they're going with, I wanna see it, please and thank you.
As for all the painful things Lucifer said to Sam, I saw that as typical Lucifer manipulations; twisting Sam's own guilt and self-doubt, something that Sam has always struggled with, to suit his own needs. And it would have been perfect if not for Sam's line about them promising each other to not look for one another which ruins the whole thing, really.
However, the scenes with Sam and Lucifer were the best. These two play off each other so well.
I am going to give it some time but my first impression of Misha's Lucifer was not positive. I agree that we had no buildup for that and a one off scene with a throwaway angel we have never met was not enough. I agree it's just a way to give the character something to do. But I can admit that I can't see where it is going so that in and of itself sparks some interest. How does that work? An archangel possessing an angel possessing what's left of Jimmy? Will he deteriorate? In a reverse twist of season seven, will Sam feel the need to take on Lucifer to save Castiel? Mark and Jared's Lucifer could be so cunning, even subtly chilling. Misha seems to have taken the over the top Lucifer to heart so I found the menace, even when he killed Rowena, totally lacking. It made me realize, yet again, how Jared, as an actor, doesn't often get the credit he deserves. But the Cassifer scenes were brief so I will hold judgment until I see more.
Even though I'm kinda glad to see Rowena gone, that bit of character development before Lucifer did what we knew he would do was a bit inspired I think so I can give kudos for that.
Crowleys onesie with his Funko Sam would make an excellent cosplay.
And my friend likened the whole thing to A Christmas Carol where Lucifer is the Ghost of Everything which just might make me enjoy the ep more on a rewatch.
I haven't talked about the show that much but, overall, I have really enjoyed this season thus far and I hope it's not all downhill from here. It would all probably work if these writers were able to create a cohesive mytharc. They seem to be weak in this area, spinning off characters and ideas in too many dead end directions.
So, yeah. As you can see, very obviously mixed feelings but it does have me thinking about it, which is a plus I suppose
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Date: 2016-01-26 05:44 am (UTC)I am confused about the "smiting sickness" - is that when Amara was "smiter" by…heaven? I have to go back and watch that bit.
And I agree that the Sam and Lucifer scenes were the strongest. They do have a good on screen rapport. Also, I thought the dialogue was the strongest (though, I'm probably biased on that count…).
I am going to give it some time but my first impression of Misha's Lucifer was not positive.
Mine too. I could see what he was trying to do, but it came across initially as ham acting and it didn't do Misha any favours. Though, there were a couple of moments that I thought he was very convincing as Mark's Lucifer - so I figure that's what he was doing. If he can calm down the "faces", it might work much better for him. We'll see what happens. I am absolutely stuck with any ideas as to what they ware going to do with him. I want to see some great reasons why he doesn't just snap Sam and Dean (and Crowley's) necks when he next sees them. he won't - I just hope we know why.
Crowley's onesie was great!
I have really enjoyed this season thus far
Me too. I know this reaction makes it seem like I haven't, but it's been my fave over the last few years so far. Fingers crossed they've got a good plan going into the finale. :)