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ash48I haven't posted anything about 11.10 yet because a) I'm away from my computer (on holidays) and typing on my iPad which isn't ideal and b) I really don't know how to say what I want to say about it (though I've tried).
(warning - negativity under the cut. Please do not let me harsh your squee. Move on by (like I know I really should).
I did a lot of soul searching last night after watching the episode. I had a moment of clarity that made me see how Carver is essentially just taking the piss. The sheer laziness in the storytelling made me want to weep (and in fact I did). I was seriously contemplating taking my bat and ball and going home. And I was ready to do it but an addiction like this is not so easy to kick it seems (the next day I was back checking all my fandom places and wanting to talk about it /O\) It's purely personal - it's about the way I watch and enjoy this show. I know many loved it and I think that's awesome. :)
I can't write it all out here but I will just say this; Season 4 and 5 were built around Sam and Dean evolving to a point where they had to say yes/no to lucifer/Michael. It explored motive, weakness, loyalty, trust and strength. And then in one episode. ONE EPISODE. Cas said yes to lucifer. No build up, no exploration, no in-depth motive' it was just "ooh, I know what we can do with Cas now! Let's make him Lucifer!" He has one tiny scene that makes me feel less heroic than Sam and Dean and *wham* he's lucifer. They had a whole first half of the season to put Cas in a place were this made sense - instead they had him watching Netflix.
Then there was the confirmation that Sam didn't look for Dean in S8 because they had apparently made a promise not to. If you are going to do that to a character give us that scene. In S5 there was a scene where Sam told Dean to go and live his life after his death. Even then, we found out in S6 that Dean still tried all he could to find Sam. So in s8 we have Sam not even trying to figure out where dean went and abandoning Kevin because of an off-screen "promise". I'm sorry, but that's carver's canon and I just cannot accept it (and he keeps pushing that message home - like if he says it enough it will make it true).
Ok, there were some nice bits in that ep, but even the funny voice message and bro touching couldn't shake me out of the "what the fuck was that?!" after it all sunk in.
(And don't get me started on the fandom war it's created about who played the better Lucifer. The cynic in me thinks it a deliberate ploy to stir up fandom on-line chatter. The realist in me says they simply have no idea what they are doing and it's just a "fun" place to take the storyline).
I'm glad Rowena got a chance to tell us why she's the way she is before they killed her. It was one of her best scenes.
There's more but I am feeling just so weary. I long for the simple MOTW eps where they stop trying to do something with an absurd myth arc that is not thought through.
(And why didn't Lucifer just kill Sam and Dean? How does the devil have a fist fight? What happened to a click of the fingers and a body explodes. Agh...I have to stop before I explode).
I used too many brackets. Oh well.
(warning - negativity under the cut. Please do not let me harsh your squee. Move on by (like I know I really should).
I did a lot of soul searching last night after watching the episode. I had a moment of clarity that made me see how Carver is essentially just taking the piss. The sheer laziness in the storytelling made me want to weep (and in fact I did). I was seriously contemplating taking my bat and ball and going home. And I was ready to do it but an addiction like this is not so easy to kick it seems (the next day I was back checking all my fandom places and wanting to talk about it /O\) It's purely personal - it's about the way I watch and enjoy this show. I know many loved it and I think that's awesome. :)
I can't write it all out here but I will just say this; Season 4 and 5 were built around Sam and Dean evolving to a point where they had to say yes/no to lucifer/Michael. It explored motive, weakness, loyalty, trust and strength. And then in one episode. ONE EPISODE. Cas said yes to lucifer. No build up, no exploration, no in-depth motive' it was just "ooh, I know what we can do with Cas now! Let's make him Lucifer!" He has one tiny scene that makes me feel less heroic than Sam and Dean and *wham* he's lucifer. They had a whole first half of the season to put Cas in a place were this made sense - instead they had him watching Netflix.
Then there was the confirmation that Sam didn't look for Dean in S8 because they had apparently made a promise not to. If you are going to do that to a character give us that scene. In S5 there was a scene where Sam told Dean to go and live his life after his death. Even then, we found out in S6 that Dean still tried all he could to find Sam. So in s8 we have Sam not even trying to figure out where dean went and abandoning Kevin because of an off-screen "promise". I'm sorry, but that's carver's canon and I just cannot accept it (and he keeps pushing that message home - like if he says it enough it will make it true).
Ok, there were some nice bits in that ep, but even the funny voice message and bro touching couldn't shake me out of the "what the fuck was that?!" after it all sunk in.
(And don't get me started on the fandom war it's created about who played the better Lucifer. The cynic in me thinks it a deliberate ploy to stir up fandom on-line chatter. The realist in me says they simply have no idea what they are doing and it's just a "fun" place to take the storyline).
I'm glad Rowena got a chance to tell us why she's the way she is before they killed her. It was one of her best scenes.
There's more but I am feeling just so weary. I long for the simple MOTW eps where they stop trying to do something with an absurd myth arc that is not thought through.
(And why didn't Lucifer just kill Sam and Dean? How does the devil have a fist fight? What happened to a click of the fingers and a body explodes. Agh...I have to stop before I explode).
I used too many brackets. Oh well.
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Date: 2016-01-26 06:07 am (UTC)yay! I am happy to have my harsh squeed! I would rather squee anytime. Initially I wasn't going to respond with negativity (and I won't mostly) but I will address a couple of things. :)
So Carver is unable to have Sam say the actual words 'I thought Dean was dead and we agreed what's dead should stay dead.'
But they didn't. That's from S2 and Dean agreed that, not Sam (which is beautiful because it became a major theme for all of S2-5). I believe what Carver IS referring to is Sam's conversation in S5 about Dean not trying to get him out when he goes to hell. Dean promised not to get Sam out and I suspect we are to believe that a later, off screen, conversation was about them both promising that if one dies that's that. It is such a HUGE thing for the show (a major on going theme), that yes, I do expect that to be on screen. I have accept that we didn't get it, but I believe it weakens Sam's reasoning not to have got it.
Lucifer's psychology of trying to convince Sam that saying yes would be a return to his brave self was scary
Agreed! Some of my fave scenes. There were things I liked about the episode and I should have listed them, but I was on my iPad and didn't get it all out. Plus I was feeling damn sorry for myself I have to admit.
And I totally get practicalities in the show. Like Misha and Mark S (and Rowena) relieving the Js from being in every scene. But for me, I like good reasons for that etc. I know Mark P couldn't continue as Lucifer (sadly), but I feel some time to build up Cas saying yes would have been rewarding as a view (and i'm sure for Cas fans!). I know that's personal and I love that it worked well for many other. :)
And I totally accept there are ways of making it all work with head canons and reasons we can devise. And we are good at that! :D But sometimes I'd like not to have to do that - I would like them to consider the holes and even if they can't fill them sometimes just an acknowledgement works.
And I think because I didn't write my positives it looks like I'm being down on the show. I mean, I am generally down on much of what the show has become since Carver, but many times I have looked for the positive. I still have a lot of hope, especially now that Sam and Dean seem to have a more common goal of saving Cas and working together. I am also LOVING how much Sam POV we've been getting this season - and so much of it has been awesome. So yeah, I do have a lot of hope and positives - I just need to get all that off my chest (it helps me to move on…)