5.17 ep reaction
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ash48It's damn annoying when you finish watching the show, plan to share the chat on LJ and LJ decides to have some time out.. Sheesh... Anytime but Friday nights (or Thursday night elsewhere), please LJ!
Anyway. My insta-reaction would have been... OH DEAN! :(
Actually my initial response was a feeling of numbness. I just sat staring at the screen thinking - omg, he's going to say yes. He wasn't going to do that. He CAN'T do that. I remembered now why I hated it when we found out that Sam was Lu's vessel. These boys are going to end up fighting each other. Really fight. Up until now I thought that might be avoided. I mean, I know that that's the whole point but..*sigh*.... as cool as it would be to see that, fighting boys breaks my heart. It means they both say yes and I'm not really sure I want to see that either. But I better snap out of it because I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen
There were some amazingly cool moments in this episode. The big hunter fight being one of them and even though Sam and Dean are still at massive odds with each other they still work so friggin' well together. And they still care if the other one is hurt. "Are you all right?" being asked a couple of times. (I live for little moments like that. Little hints....)
But Dean. I take my hat off to Jensen because the slow disintegration of the "Dean" we know and love has been amazing. There's very little left of the Dean we started out with. His utter emptiness is apparent in every scene. Whether the scene is about that or not. His body language and eyes just show complete and utter weariness the whole time. He finds joy nowhere. He's made it believable that Dean could say yes. He's taken his character to the brink.
I know a lot have thought the final scene was "tacked on" and didn't ring true and I admit to being slightly taken aback also, but it made so much sense in regards to Dean's character. Looking out for other people. Acknowledging the things he's missed out on. He seemed to be making his peace. Getting his affairs in order before (ONCE AGAIN YOU IDIOT!) sacrificing himself for (what he believes to be) the good of others. (Because that always works out so well DAMN WELL DEAN!) And yes, I want to SHAKE him. LEARN FROM THE PAST DEAN!... But, it wouldn't be Show if it didn't make me want to do that...
And Sam. I'm going to stand by my conviction that Sam will (somehow!) save Dean from saying yes. (though I'm also in 2 minds about whether them saying yes is going to be a completely bad thing..) Sam was so strong in this episode. Scared yes - because he knows how broken and empty Dean is. But he's keeping up the good fight. He seems to still have the "we will go down fighting" attitude that Dean once had. (AND WHAT HAPPENED TO TEAM FREE WILL DEAN??!!)
And that shot of Dean driving away and leaving Sam is utter despair? No words... just a deep ache in my heart. Amazing shot. (Again Dean! Leaving Sam is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! Remember what happened last time??!!) I know I should stop shouting at Dean, but really....
And I'm getting on board with Cas more and more. I think the slow deterioration of his character has been interesting as well. His becoming less angel and more human has been fascinating to watch. Not only damn funny at times, but heartbreaking also. I also love how it makes future!Cas more believable. I can totally believe that if left on this path he would end up as the Cas we saw in The End.
Though Future!Dean was a Dean that didn't say yes. So maybe by saying yes now that will change the course of events so the future doesn't happen (assuming that future was "real" and not fabricated by Zac)... *ouch* my brain hurts now. That's too thinky for me at the moment.
Though speaking of Zac, surely Dean can't give into him? He is such a (deliciously) despicable character that surely Dean can't... :(((((
The only thing I really had trouble believing was how far that woman (Jane, I think) would go to get to "paradise". I mean I get it. But I hate to think that our natural instinct to value life could be stripped away so quickly and so brutally.
Anyway. I didn't come off that episode thinking "OMG! I loved it" - but having had time to digest it and think about it, it was a good solid episode, which will no doubt generate some good thinky thoughts. :)
The question is. How much more heartbreak can I take?! We still have 5 episodes to go. I suspect I'm going to have to take a lot more yet .....
Anyway. My insta-reaction would have been... OH DEAN! :(
Actually my initial response was a feeling of numbness. I just sat staring at the screen thinking - omg, he's going to say yes. He wasn't going to do that. He CAN'T do that. I remembered now why I hated it when we found out that Sam was Lu's vessel. These boys are going to end up fighting each other. Really fight. Up until now I thought that might be avoided. I mean, I know that that's the whole point but..*sigh*.... as cool as it would be to see that, fighting boys breaks my heart. It means they both say yes and I'm not really sure I want to see that either. But I better snap out of it because I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen
There were some amazingly cool moments in this episode. The big hunter fight being one of them and even though Sam and Dean are still at massive odds with each other they still work so friggin' well together. And they still care if the other one is hurt. "Are you all right?" being asked a couple of times. (I live for little moments like that. Little hints....)
But Dean. I take my hat off to Jensen because the slow disintegration of the "Dean" we know and love has been amazing. There's very little left of the Dean we started out with. His utter emptiness is apparent in every scene. Whether the scene is about that or not. His body language and eyes just show complete and utter weariness the whole time. He finds joy nowhere. He's made it believable that Dean could say yes. He's taken his character to the brink.
I know a lot have thought the final scene was "tacked on" and didn't ring true and I admit to being slightly taken aback also, but it made so much sense in regards to Dean's character. Looking out for other people. Acknowledging the things he's missed out on. He seemed to be making his peace. Getting his affairs in order before (ONCE AGAIN YOU IDIOT!) sacrificing himself for (what he believes to be) the good of others. (Because that always works out so well DAMN WELL DEAN!) And yes, I want to SHAKE him. LEARN FROM THE PAST DEAN!... But, it wouldn't be Show if it didn't make me want to do that...
And Sam. I'm going to stand by my conviction that Sam will (somehow!) save Dean from saying yes. (though I'm also in 2 minds about whether them saying yes is going to be a completely bad thing..) Sam was so strong in this episode. Scared yes - because he knows how broken and empty Dean is. But he's keeping up the good fight. He seems to still have the "we will go down fighting" attitude that Dean once had. (AND WHAT HAPPENED TO TEAM FREE WILL DEAN??!!)
And that shot of Dean driving away and leaving Sam is utter despair? No words... just a deep ache in my heart. Amazing shot. (Again Dean! Leaving Sam is NOT A GOOD IDEA!!! Remember what happened last time??!!) I know I should stop shouting at Dean, but really....
And I'm getting on board with Cas more and more. I think the slow deterioration of his character has been interesting as well. His becoming less angel and more human has been fascinating to watch. Not only damn funny at times, but heartbreaking also. I also love how it makes future!Cas more believable. I can totally believe that if left on this path he would end up as the Cas we saw in The End.
Though Future!Dean was a Dean that didn't say yes. So maybe by saying yes now that will change the course of events so the future doesn't happen (assuming that future was "real" and not fabricated by Zac)... *ouch* my brain hurts now. That's too thinky for me at the moment.
Though speaking of Zac, surely Dean can't give into him? He is such a (deliciously) despicable character that surely Dean can't... :(((((
The only thing I really had trouble believing was how far that woman (Jane, I think) would go to get to "paradise". I mean I get it. But I hate to think that our natural instinct to value life could be stripped away so quickly and so brutally.
Anyway. I didn't come off that episode thinking "OMG! I loved it" - but having had time to digest it and think about it, it was a good solid episode, which will no doubt generate some good thinky thoughts. :)
The question is. How much more heartbreak can I take?! We still have 5 episodes to go. I suspect I'm going to have to take a lot more yet .....
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Date: 2010-04-10 01:47 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-10 01:50 am (UTC)So maybe this is the only way.
But yeah...exactly what you wrote, I agree.
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Date: 2010-04-10 01:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-10 02:45 am (UTC)I think the writer's needed have this scene to make us understand his decision and I suppose they were out of other options, in terms of other people Dean would include in his "deal". I know Sam and Bobby will be included, but he couldn't go to them... *sob*
I'm glad it was there. It added another layer and was more satisfying than him just driving off into the night. Which is where is so easily could have ended.
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Date: 2010-04-10 02:47 am (UTC)Oh yes. I long for that. And my real hope is that with a 6th season that's EXACTLY what we'll be getting.
I fear a painful journey ahead. But I KNOW it will be all right. It just HAS to be...
*group hug*
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Date: 2010-04-10 02:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-10 04:04 am (UTC)Sigh.
I've never been obsessed with a show that has the power to get me this upset before. :)
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Date: 2010-04-10 04:07 am (UTC)Ah, but he can't learn from the past when he's seen the travesty of the future. (I want that to be a proverb! :D)
Nice review, Sarah!
Honestly, I had trouble grasping the final scene (and this comes from a hard Dean/Lisa shipper) because it was so random and out of place. But after rewatching it and seeing people's reviews on how Dean isn't necessarily trying to save Lisa and Ben because he's head-over-heels-in-love-with-them (rather he's trying to preserve them and their FAMILY; he's family's f*cked to hell, so he wants theirs to be safe), I've come to accept it more. (Not to mention that when Jensen utters "And the kid." my heart breaks into a bajillion little pieces.)
I totally agree (and am ashamed that I didn't correlate it sooner!) that this Cas is how future!Cas begins. I just noticed that Dean FIRST throws him the pills and that future!Cas is addicted to pills and OH, my heart. I can't believe Dean got him started on it. OUCH.
Sam is totally gonna save Dean. I've got that feeling, y'know. It's Sam's redemption for all the times he's turned his back on Dean - he won't turn his back now that Dean needs him the most! Sam's got that resolute determination that I just love now. GO SAM! (And he's gotta have the amulet on him, right? Just waiting for the right time to return it to its rightful owner?? :) Wishful thinking.)
[Yeah, that Jane woman was nuts. I know a mother's bond is strong, but dude, wtf!]
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Date: 2010-04-10 05:08 am (UTC)His own so so damaged, when he thought Ben was his and he might have a future.Remember he only left her because he had a year to live. Question is, if he hadn't would he have stayed. I think he might.
This is where everyone screams at me but ... last week when Dean saw that Sam's "greatest hits" as he called them didn't include him, it was the last straw. What was he fighting for if his own brother didn't think he was worth including in his memories. That damaged Dean more than hell and I'd not be surprised if Zachariah had a hand in that!
Castiel I adored him, from not wanting to leave his name to drinking the liquor store itself dry. His lines were epic.
I like the episode from the off, I love angst though I'm hoping by season 6 we'll have moved on from the Apocalypse. Another 20 episodes of the likes we've seen. I don't think Jensen and Jared could cope either.
I think Jensen has shown what an incredible actor he's become, I hope in the future he doesn't squander his talent to pay the bills.
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Date: 2010-04-10 06:03 am (UTC)You know I'd rather watch tortured/twisted/Alistair abused Dean than this Dean - this "I just don't care" anymore Dean. This kind of Dean we see here and now - well it makes me feel just urgh, like I've swallowed something bad. *shudders*
Man five episodes to go? Still? I'm going to need therapy by the end of this. I don't normally skip to the end of a really good story even if I know it's angst filled but I think this is one example where I think just knowing what's gonna happen at the end will help me cope with the "rock bottom" Sam and Dean we still have to go through.
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Date: 2010-04-10 06:07 am (UTC)That's exactly what I thought/felt when I watched that last scene. To me it made sense. Especially whith the state of mind Dean was in (which I would call emotional insanity).
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Date: 2010-04-10 06:21 am (UTC)...but having had time to digest it and think about it
That was very much my reaction, too. It took a while for me to recover. I think we are beyond heartbreak. (We will really need a looong group hug.)
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Date: 2010-04-10 07:37 am (UTC)Consider it so! Actually the whole past/future scenarios really mess with the brain...
Dean isn't necessarily trying to save Lisa and Ben because he's head-over-heels-in-love-with-them
Yeah. It was never my feeling that that was the reason he went back. In all honesty I can't get past that Lisa and Dne were just a vehicle for us, the audience, to see and hear where Dean is at before he goes off to make the deal. I mean I love the idea of Dean settling down and being a family man - but as he said, it's just not his life.. :(
I totally agree (and am ashamed that I didn't correlate it sooner!) that this Cas is how future!Cas begins.
Yeah, it dawned on me as I was watching that this Cas is familiar. We've seen him before. And good pick up on the pills - I hadn't made that connection. But yeah - I can totally see that Dean would have started Cas on this road.. (He already started it when he took him to that brothel).
Sam is totally gonna save Dean.
He is right?! He is. (God, I hope so. It would make everything fall into place. Sam is in a good position now (after last weeks ep) to know more about what Dean needs. I said in a previous post that God's answer to Dean plea for help is to give him Sam. A Sam that has seen Dean's hurt from the past. A wiser Sam. Sam is ready now. (please....)
I know a mother's bond is strong, but dude, wtf!
I know. I would hate to think my morals would disintegrate so rapidly ... but, who knows I suppose.
Thanks for popping in hun.
xx
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Date: 2010-04-10 07:51 am (UTC)True. And I've said it above in a couple of comments that I saw that whole scene more as a way for us (the audience) to know what's going on in Dean's mind before he goes off to make the deal. He demonstrated his commitment to loved ones. He wasn't there to rekindle the flame. Just to reassure them that everything will be ok.
Man, that scene is mutli-layered. The more I ponder it the more I like how powerful it was. And would he have stayed if he had more than a year to live...? I don't think so. I think Dean might be a bit of a martyr in that respect. He has a job to do. And settling down with a family really doesn't feature in that. Sam's his family (well, damnit! It was!)
last week when Dean saw that Sam's "greatest hits" as he called them didn't include him,
Oh yes indeed. That was a huge catalyst for him making this decision. I think it was really what last weeks episode was all about. Providing this motivation. But equally, I think it also gave Sam the insight he needs to help Dean through this (save him maybe...). I would love to think that this is how it will play out. I'd love Sam to find his redemption in finally showing Dean how worthy he is. How much Sam loves and indeed needs him.
Oh show! How can you make me think so much!
(And it will be very interesting to see what both the J's do after this...)
Sorry to blab. But, hey. Thanks so much for dropping in and sharing your thoughts. (This is my most favourite thing to do..well, second to vidding that is. *g*)
xx
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Date: 2010-04-10 02:18 pm (UTC)I have a couple of Friday nights coming up where I'm not going to able to watch immediately and I think it might just KILL ME! In fact I probably won't be able to catch up on them until after the weekend... *eep*
Glad you thought the review was hitting it. I think I needed a bit of time to absorb it. I really did feel numb afterwards and initially felt like there was nothing to say. But on reflection? Oh yes. That was quite a juicy episode.
Thanks for popping in. We can enjoy the ride of the next 5 eps together. Well, except for those ones I'll be missing on the actual night!
xx
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Date: 2010-04-10 02:20 pm (UTC)We sure are and we sure do!! I think a giant group hug is in order! Hmm... contemplates a virtual group hug....
*hugs* hun. *braces self for the next episode*
xx
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Date: 2010-04-10 03:04 pm (UTC)I...I'm scared to watch the next ep. *clings*
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Date: 2010-04-10 11:52 pm (UTC)I am SO scared for the next (and future) episodes. We are in for a torrid time I think.. (of course I'm lovin' it *g*)
<3
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Date: 2010-04-12 03:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-12 09:10 am (UTC)The meme is kinda fun (I liked it because it was to do!)
Enjoy! And I'll see you around. :)