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ash48So, I'm working (well, struggling actually) with this vid and a question came up about the boys' destinies.
Was Sam's destiny always to sacrifice himself to save the world and Dean's was to break the cycle of sacrifice? Which is basically what happened to them in the end.
Or was it to become Michael and Lucifer's vessels all along (as had been mentioned in a few episodes) and they instead exerted some "free will" and therefore didn't fulfil their rightful destinies.
I'm thinking the latter now (man, I'm doing my head in with the amount of turn arounds I've had about this episode). I initially liked the idea that Sam was always destined to save the world (with Dean's help) and Dean was always meant to be the strongest of the Winchesters and break the cycle. But maybe they brought that about themselves. Dean by saying no to Michael and Sam being strong enough to bring Lucifer down.
So free will did win out in the end. Sort of. Because who can say with one brother being dead while the other suffers his loss a win. At all. :(
Or maybe they had 2 potential destinies. Or none. Or...
Ok. My head hurts now. Maybe I'll see if I can make sense of this vid. Though I've realised that even if it doesn't see the light of day (which, let's face it, there's been a plethora of 5.22 vids lately *g*,), I'll have worked something out of my system. :)
Also, special hugs and thanks to my bidders. *smish*
Was Sam's destiny always to sacrifice himself to save the world and Dean's was to break the cycle of sacrifice? Which is basically what happened to them in the end.
Or was it to become Michael and Lucifer's vessels all along (as had been mentioned in a few episodes) and they instead exerted some "free will" and therefore didn't fulfil their rightful destinies.
I'm thinking the latter now (man, I'm doing my head in with the amount of turn arounds I've had about this episode). I initially liked the idea that Sam was always destined to save the world (with Dean's help) and Dean was always meant to be the strongest of the Winchesters and break the cycle. But maybe they brought that about themselves. Dean by saying no to Michael and Sam being strong enough to bring Lucifer down.
So free will did win out in the end. Sort of. Because who can say with one brother being dead while the other suffers his loss a win. At all. :(
Or maybe they had 2 potential destinies. Or none. Or...
Ok. My head hurts now. Maybe I'll see if I can make sense of this vid. Though I've realised that even if it doesn't see the light of day (which, let's face it, there's been a plethora of 5.22 vids lately *g*,), I'll have worked something out of my system. :)
Also, special hugs and thanks to my bidders. *smish*
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Date: 2010-05-23 02:56 pm (UTC)The boy!king title came about in S3 didn't it? Thus it would have gone to whoever survived Wyoming and it would have worked out for Jake. If I'm remembering that wrong then disregard. Ava turned dark as did Jake. 'Going darkside' appears to be the inevitable MO of every psykid if we look at the evidence and not something solely for Sam.
Precisely the way they spoke about it and how they moved the goal posts, it's you Dean, *go check the notes* no wait you're a vessel *go check notes* yes THAT reads better. I know I'm engaging in a smidge of handwaving there but that is the sense I got. To make a reference to Whedon's Angel and the Shanshu prophecy it reminds me of that. They got a line or two of 'prophecy' but it was ambiguious open ended translation NOT hard and fast.
What I think the boys did was hack the system. They didn't fulfill the angel's prophecy and at the end even the angels went off sheet by utilising Adam. The boys changed teh field and Heaven had to play catch up as best they could.
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Date: 2010-05-24 09:51 am (UTC)Yes. Boy!King was season 3, first ep. So yep, Jake or even Ava could have possibly taken that title, Well, Girl!Queen maybe for Ava.. :)
What I think the boys did was hack the system.
Oh yes. I like that. They are the perfect hackers! :) And maybe the angels learned a thing or two from the Winchesters - they had to do something after all.
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