A question re destiny (or god knows why I'm still thinking about this...)

[ash48]

So, I'm working (well, struggling actually) with this vid and a question came up about the boys' destinies.



Was Sam's destiny always to sacrifice himself to save the world and Dean's was to break the cycle of sacrifice? Which is basically what happened to them in the end.

Or was it to become Michael and Lucifer's vessels all along (as had been mentioned in a few episodes) and they instead exerted some "free will" and therefore didn't fulfil their rightful destinies.

I'm thinking the latter now (man, I'm doing my head in with the amount of turn arounds I've had about this episode). I initially liked the idea that Sam was always destined to save the world (with Dean's help) and Dean was always meant to be the strongest of the Winchesters and break the cycle. But maybe they brought that about themselves. Dean by saying no to Michael and Sam being strong enough to bring Lucifer down.

So free will did win out in the end. Sort of. Because who can say with one brother being dead while the other suffers his loss a win. At all. :(

Or maybe they had 2 potential destinies. Or none. Or...



Ok. My head hurts now. Maybe I'll see if I can make sense of this vid. Though I've realised that even if it doesn't see the light of day (which, let's face it, there's been a plethora of 5.22 vids lately *g*,), I'll have worked something out of my system. :)

Also, special hugs and thanks to my bidders. *smish*

Comments

[yourlibrarian]

I think annieshow put it quite nicely, which was that Sam was victorious by embracing his "otherness" to beat Lucifer, and Dean was victorious by saying no to Michael, retaining his humanity, and thus helping Sam take control.

So I would go the free will route because, let's face it, how many examples can we see around us of people who never overcome their innate weaknesses? I don't think there's anything destined about that.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yes. Ultimately their "humanness" won out. Which was something Kripke often mentioned. I remember reading an interview ages ago (or it might have been a con report or something), where he talked about the show not being about Sam's "powers". It wasn't about turning Sam into a "super" hero. It was always about them being human. Which, now I think more about it, is what the end finally showed. Sad, but true to his plan.