A question of comfort.

[ash48]

This has been haunting me. Of everything that was shown and said in 7.01 this, for me, was the most unsettling.



Lucifer saying..."Hi, Sam - long time no spooning".

It's seems like such a strange thing to say, but wow... what a thing to say.

Spooning, to me, is an act of comfort and security. It's one of my most fav things. To wrap up, or be wrapped in, someone you love and care about.

It's why I actually had trouble understanding what he said at first. Spooning? But that's so personal and...

Oh.


My initial image was of Lucifer spooning Sam. The thing I find so unsettling about Lucifer wrapping himself around Sam is that it makes such a mockery of comfort and security. There's just something about that that makes me shiver.

It also puts them in bed together, which suggests a whole HEAP of things. I don't know if we were supposed to draw that conclusion (non con/rape) but I went there I have to say. The comment was just too pointed for me not to.

I then wondered if he may have been referring to this scene in Free to be You and Me, when he pretended to be Jessica. (?)



It's almost spooning. Not quite, but I wondered if he was, in fact, referring back the first time they made contact? When he was in bed with Sam, pretending to be Jessica.

I wonder how many times Lucifer pretened to be Jessica in the pit? Or Dean? Mary? John? Someone that Sam could gain comfort from...but ultimately didn't. *sniff*

It really brought home to me just how alone Sam actually was. And not just tortured. Comforted. I wonder if he came to rely on Lucifer for comfort in some twisted way? Or found the spooning/comfort the worst kind of torture?

I may be reaching a bit far here, but I do think the spooning comment was in reference to something that was occurring in the pit regularly.

And did you notice Sam's massive flinch in that scene? Spoke volumes of how damn terrified Sam was.

(there's gotta be fic out there on this.? The idea of Sam hurting and then being comforted by Lucifer.
OH SAM! :(( )

Comments

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I love the distinction you've made here between Lucifer and Alistair. The way they would have tortured. Alistair = physical and Luci = mental. *bounces* that's awesome. It also matches the brothers. Dean = physical (hands on hunter etc.) and Sam = mental (emo hunter). Am I reaching? Hee..

And how interesting that Dean was tortured by a demon (in that he was meant to be an angel's vessel) and Sam was tortured by and angel (being the one who was destined for evil). Damnit. Ya got me all thinky here.

I'm pretty sure it's Sam being disturbed that's creating the images rather than Luci (somehow) invading Sam's dreams. Though I've re-watched that scene a few times now and man... if it's Sam is hellucinating this is brain is SO scrambled. It's some nasty stuff he's imaging.

Hmmm... could Lucifer still be in Sam maybe? Ack.

I really REALLY hope Sam is not still in the pit. I seriously doubt it. There's too much Dean POV for that to be the case. Unless he is also imagining Dean's hell (losing lisa and Ben).

ACK! Don't do this to me. I'm sure Show isn't this thinky. (Just us..*g*)

Thanks hun. I adore the Al/Luc comparison and I am feel that festering into some meta type thoughts down the track.

(ooh..a picspam/meta type comparison might well be in order. One day *g*)

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes, the possible comparisons are just endless once you start.

Do you want me to go one step further and say "Sam saw the meat hooks in his hallucinations of hell because part of his torture was watching and re-watching Alistair and Dean?"

Nah, you don't need that pet theory running around too! - Hah!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Ha! omg... totally. If Luci's all mental torture then he could totally have played on Sam's images of what Dean may be have suffered when he was in hell. That would have been a torture in itself.

I would love to think Show even considered this. That Sam didn't actually suffer any meat hook torture, it was purely Luci playing with his mind.

OOhh.. it's moments like these I wish I could write. ;)

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Round and around it goes doesn't it? Angels have always seemed to have the power of time travel, so maybe Lucifer actually took Sam to watch his brother break on the rack - and now I want to know exactly what that breaking point WAS - because now, the possibilities are endless and lost in endless time loops and self fulfilling prophecies - ah show, some days I love you too much and some days you just wear out my brain and I'm not sure you really mean to!

So looking forward to the next episode, really want to watch it early tomorrow but I don't think I'll find time, so I'm kind of hiding out again as usual.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

When they introduced time and memory travel they opened the 'verse up to all sort of stuff. They tell one story and it leaves all the others up to us. :)

Yeah. Not sure when I will get to watch either. Might be an evening viewing (so long after it's aired in the US) as hubby is out then so I can indulge. *g*

(Hee... I asked him if he wanted to watch it with me last week and he said he'd rather poke his eyes out with a sharp stick. Sheesh).