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[ash48]

I am considering (considering) opening a topic for discussion on whether destiel will become canon in the show sometime soon.

What do you think?

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[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

Can I jump in here to ask that if there is no Dean/Cas or just even Dean as bi and attracted to whoever, what does that do to all the gay innuendo? I'm trying really hard to make sense of this and don't come at it with any idea of what is "right". I also don't have anywhere else to ask a question like this. The amount of trash-talking that appears to go on around sexual orientation on this show has bothered me for a while. The way it's used by the actors toward each other and in the gag reel is confusing too. As a mostly clueless straight girl, it sometimes comes across no differently than if a kid is being picked on in school for a perceived sexual orientation and that's classed as bullying. Other times, it's like math nerds picking on other math nerds and that's ok because they're all math nerds. Why is it acceptible here in the show's dialog if it is bullying and not other places...bah, this is even hard to explain the question without feeling like I'm going to use the wrong language and end up being really insensitive.

Is there a difference in the amount of insult in a statement like the one about "looked at me like that, I got laid" when said by a straight guy to another straight guy than if it's said by a gay or bi man to another or even more confusing, straight to gay or gay to straight. Throw in the fact that Cas has no physical body of his own and doesn't even know much about sex in general and the whole thing just becomes more confusing. Then, there's all the jokes about Sam and Dean being taken as a gay couple. Then you add in the idea of fan service and I don't know what to think.

I hang out on LJ where people are pretty open in talking about all kinds of things related to gender, sexual orientation and race and I'm still confused and bothered by how the show handles these things. How does it come across to someone who has never even had the idea that any of this could even be negative? I also hang out in a community that picks up on subtext and runs with it. Plenty of viewers don't see that at all and would probably be really taken aback by having any of that become canon.

I also wouldn't trust most of the current group of writers to be able to handle a coming out story with any kind of sensitivity. They can't even get on the same page about whether Cas is the bee-man or an angel with a millenia of human observation who can't figure out that cracking an egg in a grocery store is not a good thing.

Setting all that stuff aside, if the show is getting this much attention based on perceived UST, why should they change that when cementing those relationships one way or another will alienate a chunk of their viewers?

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Hey hun,

It's an interesting point isn't it? And you're pretty much pondering a lot of what I have been pondering.

It's IS tricky to navigate around what might be considered offensive and insensitive when discussing - hence being worried about posting such a discussion in the first place.

And I don't know where that all sits. I'd like to say it's just fun - I think most of it is. (Man, the innuendo that flies around at my rehearsals is full on - completely hilarious and we are all sharing in on the "teasing" - (a mix of straight and gay in the cast). I see the gag reels in this vein also), but I think there's some that's borderline and is perhaps crossing a fine line.

It just struck me that Richard's remark was rather interesting after what had been requested of the audience before the questions start. I know he said it for a laugh (and it got one). I dunno.

And it's there again in the show. I don't come from a background to answer or to know how insulting it is for them to continue to do that. Frustrating for D/C shippers I imagine (all the suggestions without any action), annoying for the non shippers (get on with the story and do something concrete with this relationship) and probably not even noticed by many of the audience.

It's a deeper discussion for sure and I'd be interested in hearing different perspectives on it (I haven't read all the discussion here yet, so it might have been talked about).

I also made the same point about writing such a story sensitively and convincingly to my friend. The show really isn't a romantic genre show so going in that direction would take a lot of writing/creative energy. A writer might say..."I thought we were writing about monsters, not about Dean's sexuality". Doesn't mean they couldn't introduce that element, I just don't think it's on the table with everything else they are trying to deal with story wise. At the moment I'd be thrilled if we get a solid, fabulous conclusion next episode!

Thanks for the thinky. :))