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[ash48]

I am considering (considering) opening a topic for discussion on whether destiel will become canon in the show sometime soon.

What do you think?

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[ash48.livejournal.com]

*nods* and thank you for putting it so eloquently.

I can't help but think that non-fandom viewers are wondering what the shit is going on with some of those comments.

I often think that (and particularly thought so during the Monster at the end of this Book" episode). I'd imagine a..."errr, what? what's happening now and how is that relevant to the story?"

I haven't given Jensen's reaction a lot of thought, but my first instinct was that he's just run out of ways of answering the question. I know it keeps coming up and I think they answer it the best they can but there's only so many ways of saying "I don't know". There could be deeper issues there (some of which we may never know), but I suspect he just doesn't have an answer. (though he probably doesn't have an answer to if the amulet will be back, which I am sure is asked a lot also).

And I'm thinking the latest kerfuffle at the con might be a wake up call to the writers. They might, finally, address this in the writers room and decide to drop the "jokes". Concentrating on clear directions for the characters would be kinda awesome.

And yes Ellie did hit the nail on the head. Totally agree. :)

[chemm80]

And I'm thinking the latest kerfuffle at the con might be a wake up call to the writers. They might, finally, address this in the writers room and decide to drop the "jokes". Concentrating on clear directions for the characters would be kinda awesome.

Well that's just it: as someone elsewhere in this thread said, "Shit or get off the pot." You can't have it both ways.

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

I haven't given Jensen's reaction a lot of thought, but my first instinct was that he's just run out of ways of answering the question.

I think there's another factor at work here too and that's Jensen's instinctive diplomacy, as much as I'm convinced none of the cast and crew really, really GET fandom, and that there's quite a few of them that don't understand all the connotations that come along with the term "destiel" Jensen knows that whatever answer he comes up with on this delicate subject it's going to piss off a whole load people, because there is no way to answer that isn't going to be seen or contorted to either support one group and shut another down.

Added to the fact that I've watched him on screen doing sex scenes and they just make the guy uncomfortable, how on earth should he have to have that sort of conversation in a room full of screaming women and young, some very young girls? Why should he? Fandom is a very free place that encourages open talk and quite honestly for a lot of people these sort of things aren't discussed around the family dinner table - it's just something that isn't done by many people at all in a huge crowd of strangers. Fandom forgets that, we talk, we know each other, we feel connected by our love of show and porn - but he's not one of us.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

*nods*

I've seen some interesting discussions on this issue also. And I think there are many ways to come at it, but essentially yes. I have a feeling they know what's out there, but it's just not part of their lives. They don't bury in it the way we do...;) It's such a delicate issue that it's probably better not to tackle it at all - hoping to avoid the controversy. Rather ironic that by banning the question (and then it being asked anyway) it created even more controversy than it might have done if they'd not said anything.

[el1ie.livejournal.com]

Rather ironic that by banning the question (and then it being asked anyway) it created even more controversy than it might have done if they'd not said anything.

To be honest I've seen so many variations on what happened I still don't know if the questions were banned before hand, were screened, or even actually heard. I've seen comments that only slash is ever shut down, that the questioner was jeered for being bi (that one was untrue from the vid I saw) - it's like eye witnesses at an accident, no one commenting even if actually present can possible distance themselves from their own personal baggage and it just dissolved into one huge gigantic ugly wank.

I'm still on the side of keeping all aspects of fandom in fandom, I don't really want cast and crew, writers and 'special people' traipsing all over my safe place - but I'm old school in that way and I do understand that things in fandom are changing and some are for the better.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and I am totally guilty of taking it at face value that that request was made. It possibly wasn't and from someone who just commented on that very thing, she said she was there and hadn't heard that. Maybe it's in the question screening process.? No idea. It probably all come about to stir things up. Which it certainly did.

And yep. I have no desire for anyone in the show become part of the fandom. I'm sure they keep an eye and I like that occasionally some of them will take an interest in some of the fandom works about the place (I know the wiki gets good show people support) but as far as slash or conversations or trying to meet our wishes goes...nope. Create the show and we'll take from it what we can. ;))