A query about 9.02 and other bits

[ash48]

Watched the ep again. :))

There was a LOT of sexual innuendo in the latest episode. From Crowley's " Can't wait to see Sam in stilettos and a leather bustier- really putting the S.A.M into S and M." to Sergeant Bates saying "I will spank your ass raw" (and D/s stuff that Abaddon said...).

I'm curious about this section:

Abaddon: So go ahead and play hard to get, and I'll peel off this "no demons allowed" tattoo and blow smoke up your ass.

Dean: ...I gotta tell ya, between you and me it's a horror show up there.

Abaddon: It can get worse. Because once I'm on top I'll make you watch - and I'll use your body.

I really wondered where they were going with this and then Abaddon seemed to change direction and started talking about killing babies.

Um...what exactly was Dean talking about? My first thought (and continuing thoughts) didn't go to a very nice place at all. A bit like the way Lucifer referred to possible experiences Sam had in the cage ("bunk buddy, "you are my bitch in every way"), was Dean referring perhaps to his time in Hell? Being, quite literally, fucked up? Or was it simply referring to how dark his soul and inner being is? I'm just curious about the choice of words. It's seriously dark if it's the former - which, when offering a demon and angel universe makes sense. (The reason for asking is because I was going to list all the sexual references in the ep and wondered if that should be included).




Speculation ahead....

I am also thinking that as we missed out on the (apparently) planned showdown between Michael!Dean and Lucifer!Sam - maybe we are heading for a showdown between Ezekiel!Sam and Abaddon!Dean? Now THAT could be very cool. Oh man...just thinking about how Jensen would play Abaddon...*thud* (I wonder if they'd even dare do that...).

And the more I ponder it, the more I really hope Zeke is "good" (using the term loosely as the interpretation of what is good is murky - especially we haven't really seen a "good" angel as such). We've already had "evil" not!Sam so "good" not!Sam would be a potentially fascinating contrast. The lines would be blurred and that would be interesting I think. And I honestly don't know how Sam would cope with another being using his body to do evil crap to other people. Doing "good" for other people would provide an interesting comparison - and maybe reverse the (potential) situation of Sam wanting to get rid of him. If Sam wanted to keep Zeke on board (and Zeke was happy to stay) how would Dean deal with that. What would the fall out be...

Zeke being able to tap into Sam's memories and thoughts is full on creepy - which would add to that exploration of the difference (or lack of) between being possessed by an angel or a demon. *guh* so many possibilities with this storyline. I love it.


Also:



Cool. I wondered why the first poster had Sam looking down. Now it's clear - this time it's Zeke. Hee...a poster for both the characters.

Comments

[bowtrunckle.livejournal.com]

so "good" not!Sam would be a potentially fascinating contrast...If Sam wanted to keep Zeke on board (and Zeke was happy to stay) how would Dean deal with that.

*eee* !!! :D I love this idea for a lot of reasons, but mostly bec. I feel like it would give Sam something to be proud about, something "good" that he feels would be useful (rather than trying to use demon blood drinking, which was "bad", for "good" or his psychic powers, which were "bad" bec. they were from Azazel, to save people) and it would also be his CHOICE, giving him some personal power. Sam needs so badly to get a reprieve from being the supernatural chess piece. Also, it would mess with Dean's head and I love it when Dean's world gets upended; it would make for interesting and hopefully unpredictable story telling, putting the characters in a new head space entirely. I'm going to adopt this idea and take it home and feed it pie and hot chocolate.

There was a LOT of sexual innuendo in the latest episode.

I noticed that straight away. I loved the tension between Dean and Abaddon; that scene was well played! I think your meta-ish thoughts about the implications of that dialogue are interesting. I just initially attributed it to the Dabb and his overall sexual tone. I was sort of peeved about Tracy (?) and how she just seemed not at all like a realistic hunter compared to the men (made up, beautiful, and looking like there would be no way she'd be able to behead a vampire let alone cut butter ... her outfit was a plot point, I guess, so she could seduce the vamp so that's that), all the demeaning talk about women (again), and the fact Tracy was talked about like she was an object (referred to in the 3rd person when she was standing RIGHT THERE and could've easily been given her own dialogue) in the presence of 3 men. I just want a capable, smart, independent, realistic-looking female hunter (ripe for spin-off territory). Sorry to vent, but the short is that I didn't think too much about the implications Dean-Abaddon dialogue as I was already annoyed, but now that you pointed it out .... hummm. Thanks. :)

this time it's Zeke. Hee...a poster for both the characters.

So cool! I love, then, that this version wasn't released until after the Zeke possessing Sam reveal. Has this take on the posted been confirmed by TPTB, JP, or JA?

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

I just want a capable, smart, independent, realistic-looking female hunter...

THIS THIS THIS. And this.

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the closest we've had was Ellen, and Olivia and how long ago was that?? Even Jo was a hard sell for me because Alona is so fricking tiny.

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

I'm still lobbying for Jodi to become a full-time hunter, personally!

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

Ah true nuff, Jodi would kick ass most thoroughly. She's an Ellenesque strong woman.

[bowtrunckle.livejournal.com]

A woman with muscles, yeah! And one who wears as many layers and Sam and Dean because it's practical for hunters. Skimpy outfits phhbbtttt.

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

it would give Sam something to be proud about, something "good" that he feels would be useful (rather than trying to use demon blood drinking, which was "bad", for "good" or his psychic powers, which were "bad" bec. they were from Azazel, to save people) and it would also be his CHOICE, giving him some personal power.

!!! I love this thought so much, you don't even KNOW. I'm pretty sure the SPN writers aren't thinking as deeply about this as you have, but hey, a girl can hope, because this scenario would be WONDERFUL. *continues to hope that Ezekiel is indeed a good guy*

Sam needs so badly to get a reprieve from being the supernatural chess piece.

. . . and of course, my mind immediately went to "pawn," being put on the front lines only to be struck down. Or maybe "rook," getting shuffled around all last-minute like. Poor Sam. :(

[bowtrunckle.livejournal.com]

my mind immediately went to "pawn," being put on the front lines only to be struck down. Or maybe "rook," getting shuffled around all last-minute like

Or how about the boy"king"? From wiki: "Although the king is the most important piece, it is usually the weakest piece in the game until a later phase, the endgame." Does that make Dean the "queen", then? *teehee*

[cassiopeia7.livejournal.com]

Yup, I definitely like your take better. Boy King, it is!

Does that make Dean the "queen", then? *teehee*

Could be, could be . . .


Hmm, I can see him as a badass queen, but Dean's probably more like a bishop? "Swoops in out of nowhere to unexpectedly kick some ass." *has had own ass kicked by many a bishop*

[bowtrunckle.livejournal.com]

Hi, so lame to reply to my own reply, but ... omg ... I feel like such a tool: THERE ARE ANGEL SHADOW WINGS behind Zeke. So just ignore my last question about JP posing as Zeke because apparently I need to be wearing my glasses all the time.

[alleysweeper.livejournal.com]

...and it would also be his CHOICE, giving him some personal power...
And Sam is known for making such good choices when it comes to power, right? I guess Sam just being, well...Sam has no redeeming qualities in itself.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Yes! EXACTLY!! *phew* I am glad you were able to put into words what I was trying to say. I feel that some have misinterpreted my suggestion to mean it would somehow make the non con ok or something. It's all about...well...exactly what you said here. How interesting it might be if Sam turns it all on its head and make a choice for himself and it's not what anyone expects. Maybe he feels he's hurt so many people, it's time to turn that around. Of course, even that choice will be fraught with issues - but it'd be so fascinating.

When Tracy first appeared on the screen I did a MASSIVE eye roll. I knew there was supposed to be a "attractive, kickass new female hunter" introduced and my first thought was...typical. Why couldn't we have a "sensible", realistic female hunter. Her shorts were for a plot point so perhaps when we see her again we'll see her more appropriately dressed. (And I figure short shorts aren't really going to be the thing that attracts a vamp - her blood alone would have been enough). Anyhoo...I'll see where that one goes.

And I don't know about the poster being confirmed as Zeke. JP posted it. It seems to make sense tho - but I suppose it could be read as Sam with Zeke inside him (not purely Zeke). If Zeke is going to be around for a while then it would make sense he is part of the promo material. ;) I just love that they waited until after these two eps to present it. Very cool. How exciting for Jared to get this opportunity. No wonder he's so excited about this season.